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klr650-digest        Sunday, September 5 1999        Volume 02 : Number 829



(klr650) Re: klr running hot
(klr650) List outage...
(klr650) Vibration...
(klr650) Running Hot Update...
(klr650) IDS sticker...
(klr650) Major Valve Adjustment Problem
Re: (klr650) List outage...
RE: (klr650) Vibration
Re: (klr650) List outage...
RE: (klr650) Mea culpa...
Re: (klr650) Major Valve Adjustment Problem
Re: (klr650) Supertrapp IDS
RE: (klr650) Mea culpa...
Re: (klr650) Mea culpa... (NKLR) long...

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Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 22:34:04 -0700
From: "DobeMan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Re: klr running hot

> Did you bleed _all_ air out of the cooling system when you refilled
> it?
>
> Mister_T

    Just so I know for when I have to do it, how does one bleed the air out
of the cooling system?

Thanks!
Karl




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Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 11:40:48 -0600
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) List outage...

My list ISP had a power supply failure this morning...this is a test
message. I don't know if the messages sent from 5:30 until now will be
recovered. We may have to repost...

Kurt


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Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 11:53:17 -0600
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Vibration...

Eric wrote:


I have been riding my A12 for about a year and a half now and have
racked up 5,000 miles.  I am thoroughly pleased with it but have always
wondered about the vibration level.  Being that it is a big bore single
I fully expected a fair amount of vibration but I have always wondered
how my bike compares against other KLR's.  It seems that the most
annoying level of vibration for me occurs at highway speeds at around 60
to 70 mph.  I can't figure out a good method of measuring the vibration
level but just for the hell of it I decided to grab the passenger grab
bar with my left hand at speed and noticed that the vibration was rather
severe.  In fact I can't imagine anyone wanting to be a passenger on my
bike on the freeway for more than a couple of minutes using the grab
bar.  Does everyone else's bike exhibit this similar intense vibration
in this area?  My bike is basically stock as far as the engine goes.

Kurt responded:

First Eric please change your default email format to plain text when
sending to the list. Our digest subscribers have to work through pages
of arcane symbols that only make sense to someone who has been up day
and night for 4 days drinking vats of coffee and listening to the
Nixon/Halderman/Erlichman tapes of the early '70's....

As to your vibration question. What you have definitely sounds severe. I
have an A12 as well. I would start by "loving the bike up" with a good
day in your shop. Where are you in your maintenance? Every now and then
when I fall behind in mine and the bike tells me it needs some "huggin
and chalkin" I just have to park it until I can get to it. Such is the
case at this moment as mine needs a steering head adjustment and I'm
just finishing a move to a new house.

So, if you need some general maintenance this would be a good time to
give 'er a bath, wash, wipe, clean, and wax. All the time you're doing
this you're looking looking looking. Tightening every bolt you can find.
If you find one loose take it out first and put loctite on it and then p
ut it back. Pay close attention to the critical areas around the
subframe, the engine mounts, the swingarms. Make sure you've adjusted
the balancer chain. The new CW on that is loosen it 1/2 turn
only...stand up...spin around three times counterclockwise (this is
important (g)) and then retighten gently...(do not, I repeat do not tap
gently on the side case (g)). Check the forks and make sure the triple
clamps are tight up and below. Check the axles. Check the chain slack.
Check your valve clearances.  I bet you'll find something in this
process.

Meanwhile, send in for a subscription to Dual Sport News...for the long
awaited first article on Dr. Moreau's experiments with rubber damping
the KLR engine are in the upcoming issue about to be mailed next week.

Forgive me if you knew all the above...

Kurt

(Someone once told me that there was a Louis Prima song about "hugging
and chalking" I haven't found it yet. The story the lyrics told went
something like this according to this character. There was this guy who
was totally in love with a woman. He had one problem. She was so fat
that he couldn't get his arms around her to hug her properly. So, he
decided to hug her in parts and keep track of his progress by "chalking"
where he had hugged. That way he could move around her and no when he
had arrived at where he had begun. So, one day he was loving her up and
began his "huggin and chalkin" ...she seemed to be enjoying it immensely
and he was too. Only problem was...that halfway around he ran into
another guy "huggin and chalkin" going the other way (g)....)



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Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 11:54:01 -0600
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Running Hot Update...

>It is possible that a crack in the cylinder head or a breach in the
head
>gasket only becomes active when the bike is hot and the breach or crack
is
>expanded.

great thread guys...we'll all benefit from the thorough troubleshooting
you're going through. Stay with it Captain, we're learning with you. I'm
in awe of the excellent mechanics we have on this list and it hasn't
gone unnoticed that most of them are flyboys...(g)

Kurt



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Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 11:54:32 -0600
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) IDS sticker...

>I haven't been able to manage to remove the IDS sticker from my new can
>with a hair dryer any other alternatives out there ??  thanks...B..


I used every fluid in my arsenal and can't tell you what worked best but
I would guess it was lighter fluid. You can't use anything abrasive
without risking scuffing the rest of the can. It eventually all came
off..but took a good hour...

Kurt



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Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:03:27 -0500
From: "Chad" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Major Valve Adjustment Problem

Well, my KLR 650 and I have a minor disagreement....It has 12,000 miles on
it, so I figured I'd check the valve adjustment....
the left exhaust had .004" clearance...so I figure I'll go ahead and pull
the camshaft, etc.. to facilitate checking and changing the shim. All went
well UNTIL some IDIOT (I'm not going to mention my name...)managed to loose
a small bushing-thingy from the rear camshaft cap down the left side of the
motor. At that time I remembered seeing something about putting a rag in
this part of the motor to prevent just such an occurence. Oh well...
Any suggestions? I'm in digest mode, so please e-mail me directly at
[e-mail]

Thanks,
Chad
'95 KLR 650 (poor thing...)


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Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 10:53:02 -0700
From: "Robert Morgan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) List outage...

Received test ok.  I noticed a post I sent yesterday evening to the list at
900 PM did not arrive till after midnight.  I have had this problem off and
on lately, I assumed it was ATT, my ISP, who knows.  This stuff is a lot
like magic as far as I am concerned.
Morgan


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Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 11:58:51 -0600
From: Bogdan Swider <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) Vibration



        I'm sure this is a subjective thing but my A9 doesn't
manifest any BOTHERSOME vibes at any speed or rpm level. Most important my
middle age body shows no signs of vibration induced fatigue after all day
rides on pavement or dirt. (I still hate gravel but that's something else.)
Bogdan

        I have been riding my A12 for about a year and a half now
and have racked up 5,000 miles.  I am thoroughly pleased with it but have
always wondered about the vibration level.  Being that it is a big bore
single I fully expected a fair amount of vibration but I have always
wondered how my bike compares against other KLR's.

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Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 11:59:03 -0600
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) List outage...

>on lately, I assumed it was ATT, my ISP, who knows.  This stuff is a
lot
>like magic as far as I am concerned.
>Morgan


response time is better for y'all to judge as my posts rack of
immediately as they don't have to travel very far (g)...

Kurt


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Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 11:59:52 -0600
From: Bogdan Swider <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) Mea culpa...



        I LIKE the fact that you expressed a strong opinion & got a
good discussion going. Just didn't agree with that opinion for MY way of
riding. BTW, I like to thing that I also do some adventure touring. Bogdan

        Alright, enough already...  How could I have ever
        thought that I might be able to express a strong
        opinion without ruffling someone's feathers?  If
        you remember, I limited my commentery to KLRs
        that were being configured for "ADVENTURE
        TOURING."

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Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 12:00:12 -0600
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Major Valve Adjustment Problem

>a small bushing-thingy from the rear camshaft cap down the left side of
the
>motor. At that time I remembered seeing something about putting a rag
in
>this part of the motor to prevent just such an occurence. Oh well...
>Any suggestions? I'm in digest mode, so please e-mail me directly at
>[e-mail]


time to go fishing with a long thin magnet....

Kurt


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Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 12:03:19 -0700
From: "Vik Banerjee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Supertrapp IDS

Has anybody had an sticker on their IDS that has survived extended use
relatively intact?

Cheers,

Vik


- -----Original Message-----
From: Brian <[e-mail]>
To: KLR List <[e-mail]>
Date: Sunday, September 05, 1999 12:15 AM
Subject: (klr650) Supertrapp IDS


>I haven't been able to manage to remove the IDS sticker from my new can
>with a hair dryer any other alternatives out there ??  thanks...B..
>
>
>Visit the KLR650 archives at
>http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650
>Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to [e-mail] for info.


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Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 12:14:19 -0600
From: Bogdan Swider <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) Mea culpa...

            Also the responses you generated were not nearly as
caustic and mean as when that vicious Quebec Ukrainian Cossack, Tortuga
kicked sand in the face of poor, delicate, diminutive, Arne back in the
Spring. Now THAT was brutal. Bogdan

            Alright, enough already...  How could I have ever
            thought that I might be able to express a strong
            opinion without ruffling someone's feathers?  If
            you remember, I limited my commentery to KLRs
            that were being configured for "ADVENTURE
            TOURING."

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Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 04:53:42 -0700
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Mea culpa... (NKLR) long...

From: Juan Villarreal <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Mea culpa...


> Alright, enough already...  How could I have ever
> thought that I might be able to express a strong
> opinion without ruffling someone's feathers?

Because you didn't just express a strong opinion (which you're welcome to
do), you insulted everyone who doesn't happen to  have a bike and/or riding
philosophy the same as your own.

> If
> you remember, I limited my commentery to KLRs
> that were being configured for "ADVENTURE
> TOURING."

Yes... By "your" definition of Adventure Tourer.  Woe to those who's
definition doesn't match yours.

> It wasn't meant to include a 10,000
> pavement-only tour, or the 4 hour Saturday
> afternoon single track adventure.  Nor did I say
> anything about hauling groceries, weekend camping
> trips into the woods, surviving falls, commuting
> around town, or leaving one's favorite books
> behind.

Oh I get it... you must have then assumed that everyone with hard luggage on
their bikes has it there for reasons 'other' than carrying stuff.

> I was trying (in vain, I suppose) to
> address a very specific use for the KLR, and got
> jumped on for a lot of things I made no mention
> of.  So here it is, for those of you who didn't
> get it the first time-

There you go insulting people again...

> if you're doing endless 10
> to 12 hour days on washboard roads in some Third
> World country, then the soft setup is going to be
> much easier on your bike.  Unfortunately, not
> many of us will get the opportunity to make those
> kinds of trips-

Now you're contradicting yourself.  You are now admitting that the majority
of those out there with hard luggage will not be venturing out on to the
wash-boards in some 3rd World Country...  therefore will not be doing all
that damage to their bikes that you've just berated them for.

> the mission I've undertaken with MY KLR is to
> create a bike that will take me to the moon and
> back- alone.

Send us a postcard.  You will be alone.

> If you use yours for something
> else, then disregard everything I've written

Oh ya... right.  You assumed that everyone uses their bike exactly the same
way you do.

> I've given the whole luggage thing a lot of
> thought and in my humble opinion...

You have???  Humble???

> So you might have more payload- big deal- do you
> really want more payload?

Believe it or not, some folks do.  But they all apologize for not clearing
it with you first...

> I mean really...  I've been
> horrified by some of the rigs people have come up
> with ("Nice boxes- where's the bike?  Oh, THERE
> it is!").
> At
> times this quest for ever more payload capacity
> has appeared to border on the mindless, almost
> lemming-like.

Some people are very satisfied and proud of the way they've set-up their
bikes.  Unfortunately they don't meet your approval.  So... Helge Peterson
is a mindless lemming?  When's your book coming out Juan?

> And go ahead and throw the element of "security"
> at me if you like.  Security, schmecurity.

To draw a parallell - I haven't seen too many trucks on a construction site
that have their tools secured in a waterproof, canvas bag...  I have seen
quite a few lockable aluminum truck boxes though...  What are they
thinking... idiots... mindless lemmings...

> P.S.  If you're lucky, someone WILL steal your
> $500 GPS unit.  I must have met and befriended
> half the gas station attendants between here and
> Panama (getting/confirming directions, you know),
> and it was a much better trip for it.
> Any false sense of
> said "security" would be quickly highlighted by a
> noticeable reduction in your payload, courtesy of
> the impoverished locals

These would be the ones you befriended at all those gas stations?  I can't
recall passing a gas station on the White Rim trail..., or on the 300 mile
back roads "adventures" we occassionally do...  but if I do, I'll befriend
the attendant.  I hope he has a banjo.

> Oh, but I forget- a pair of smuggled
> .38s would quickly address that issue, wouldn't
> it?  My mistake.  What on earth could I have been
> thinking?!?!  Why bother yourself with actually
> having to stay aware and think about what you're
> doing when you can just blow someone away ("The
> bastard had it comin', man!")?  Good call- that
> thinking gig is way too overrated anyway.

Now you're being ignorant.  And about that thinking gig?... no it's not...
you should try it.

> Take no offense to my annoyed tone- especially
> those of you with the 150 liter rigs- it's
> nothing personal...

You could have fooled the 400+ subscribers to the list...

> I've said my piece.  Get
> pissed, flame on, but most importantly- THINK.
> Then decide for yourself.

That's what they did Juan.  "Oh man, I found a thousand dollars in my pocket
and what did I do???  I blew it on an impulse Touratech purchase...  What an
idiot I was... What was I thinking?... Why didn't I talk to Juan first?"

Arne




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