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klr650-digest       Wednesday, September 1 1999       Volume 02 : Number 813



(klr650) obe's panniers
(klr650) Re: klr650-digest V2 #811
RE: (klr650) KLR650 Handling difficulties
(klr650) Ultimate spring spacers
RE: (klr650) Blessed Silence
Re: (klr650) Performance
(klr650) upcoming dual sport event
(klr650) plaseebo trapp
(klr650) Chicago area riders
(klr650) Invitation
(klr650) Garmin GPS 12 Map
(klr650) Re: (Too Far) NKLR Thanks
Re:(klr650) obe's panniers?
Re:(klr650) obe's panniers?
Re: (klr650) Blessed Silence
(klr650) NKLR - Access1
(klr650) Dozin'
(klr650) Any advice for the new kid on the block?
Re: (klr650) Any advice for the new kid on the block?
Re: (klr650) Any advice for the new kid on the block?

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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:06:33 -0400
From: "Peter Dahlheimer, MD" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) obe's panniers

oops, i didn't mean to say front subframe.  i meant i want
something to protect the radiator and such, located under
the gas tank.

i'm sure someone understood anyways.  sorry.

_pete
97KLR650
76GL1000


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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:20:02 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) Re: klr650-digest V2 #811

Dear Rev. Chuck:

Have made: Progressive fork springs, Rifle windshield system, Pro-Gel grips,
Moose skid plate (waiting for center stand ordered before installing),
Vist-Cruise, Obe One's metal hangers for saddlebags, removed most of decals
except for tank, Corbin seat (the dipped one because I could get it
quick)-had one before and it wasn't too bad, Givi Maxi rear box, dare I use
the word-Honda soft bags that I had in my parts inventory that I watertreated
until they took 2 days to dry.

Will get: Center stand(ordered), tires when the stock rim protectors wear
out, Kawasaki tank bag (don't like my current set up), and whatever else
comes along that I think I can't live without.

                                                                Larry

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Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 18:38:40 -0600
From: Bogdan Swider <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) KLR650 Handling difficulties

    Carrying weight in your tankbag and/or tank panniers helps an
amazing amount. Having a big gut might help, seriously, don't know for sure.
Bogdan

    Fancy pointed fairings on sport bikes aren't just for looks, they
    can also create a bit of downforce on the front for stability at
    speed, or at least neutralise any lift tendencies.

    Mister_T


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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:53:40 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) Ultimate spring spacers

Hi listers
I have found the closest thing to the stuff that comes stock in the springs,
1" e.m.t
electrical conduit

Its about 1/16" larger in diameter ,which is better than smaller and is
readily available or free if you are somewhere near a construction site or an
electrician
I made one pair 1/4" shorter than stock and one pair 1/2" shorter than stock,
the one at 1/2" shorter was nicer with 3 psi additional air in shock. really
nice upgrade

however, I couldn't decide which end to put up, so I looked at the
progressives that came stock in my dirt bikes and the tight wound stuff was
down, so I did that.
I figured, put the part of the spring that will stack up on itself and move
the most  in the oil, they squeaked at first but when the oil got on them,
they stopped.
- -neil

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Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 19:00:32 -0600
From: Bogdan Swider <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) Blessed Silence

    Your experience and that of others suggests that quality control &
design has improved. To that I say, "Hurrah, about time". I would throw $10
(14? Loonies) into a kitty to find out on a dyno what horsepower/torque gain
is accomplished by this and the air filter + jet mods made by many listers.
I've read too many articles and spoken to too many researchers about the
placebo effect to believe "seat of the pants" evaluations. Just curious,
Bogdan


    Bogdan,

    I have probably 8000kms on it so far and it has gotten slightly
louder than
    when new, but not loud by any standards and nothing has fallen off.
It has
    been on of the better and totally effortless mods to my KLR.

    Cheers,

    Vik



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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:03:34 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) Performance

In a message dated 9/1/99 5:33:56 AM, [e-mail] writes:

>
>> Anyone know how I can get my 95 KLR650 to pull wheelies in 5th gear?
> It's
>> the baddest KLR around and beats the snot out of anyone elses on this
>list.
>>  Today alone, I out ran 2 county deputies by weaving in and out of traffic.
>>  Even made a racer boy on a Ducati pull over in awe ;-)  [g]
>>
One 100 foot long piece of1/4" aircraft cable tied to the each end of the
handlebars
then back to a telephone pole?
- -neil

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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:06:57 -0700
From: Doug Bragg <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) upcoming dual sport event

September 11th marks the date of the 5th annual Dual Star Tarmac To
Timberline, a dual sport ride held at the historic mining town of Liberty,
WA.  For details, map and directions, see the following web page:
http://members.tripod.com/dougb1969/dualsport/tttmap.html

For photos of previous year's rides, see the following page:
http://members.tripod.com/dougb1969/dualsport/dualsport.html

This is one of the best dual sport events in Washington.

Doug


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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:11:05 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) plaseebo trapp

HI
I have doubts if my supertrapp is that much better than stock, the only thing
that I've noticed is when I approach a hole I tend to feel more confidence in
wheelieing a motorcycle than a v.w. bug
the bike sounds like its more capable
thats good enough for me
- -neil

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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:26:25 -0500
From: Ken Belfatto <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Chicago area riders

Hey Carlos,
I'm in for a ride this weekend. It would be great to get all the Chicago
area KLR riders together.
You name the place. Maybe Brian will show up on his new bike. I got to see
Alex's Alaska pictures a few weeks ago, I hope he can make an appearance
too. I hope you can get that new shift lever on by the weekend! I got a
beefy MSR lever from Fred months ago. I have riding time open on
Sat,Sun,&Mon.

CAM\CAM Kenny
A12 S.Elgin,IL


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Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 20:41:30 -0600
From: juan carlos ibarra <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Invitation

If anyone is interested in a trip in southern Mexico, Mainly Puebla, Oaxaca
and Veracruz, I'd be glad to put it together. This is not a business thing
(well...I might accept a rubber plug for my case's lower left side and a
speedo cable!). We would share expenses and ride on fantastic trails for a
week or two.
December, January and February are good months for this kind of trip.

Juan
That wierd kid just south of the border (Border?  What border...?)


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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:27:24 -0400
From: "Eric Jasniewicz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Garmin GPS 12 Map

Not sure, but this sounds like the new Garmin eMap model
Garmin GPS 12 MAP
 http://www.navtechgps.com/supply/12map.asp


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Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 19:19:52 -0700
From: Tobin Lampson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Re: (Too Far) NKLR Thanks

Arne Larsen wrote:
>
> From: Tobin Lampson <[e-mail]>
>
> Ian:
>
> By the way, I use Wesson oil in my crankcase. Is
> > > this bad? <(c:
>
> Slide:
>
> > ..........only if you don't utilize it for at least two other[(s)-omit] things.
>
> Arne:
>
> you mean "after" it's been used in the crankcase right?

.....out of the engine into the pan, out of the pan into the engine.
    I see it now, 4 am, channel AKLR, TV.
    MOTO-MYSTERY oil! Use it for your motorcycle!  Use it for cooking! Use
it at the Beach! Now put it back in the engine!...with No water in the
radiator the engine keeps running! A cure for the
common cold! Use it for all ailments-runny nose, hickups, broken toes,
mood swings! Its a Survival Tool! ....and now look, he's cooking
again!........stay tuned for Sherriff Slides 'Road kill Grill'---

            Tobco (A Division of Cal Posse Industries)

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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:44:00 -0700
From: "Kahiau" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:(klr650) obe's panniers?

Hey Kurt, could you send me the file also, I am about to p/u a 00klr650 in
a couple days and am in need of those panniers, saddle bags and a bag for
the back, all water proof.

Mahalo,
kahiau

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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:50:28 -0700
From: "Kahiau" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:(klr650) obe's panniers?

Kurt, opps, my email is [e-mail].

to excited, getting the new bike-n-all.

kahiau

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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:08:51 -0600
From: "Vik Banerjee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Blessed Silence

I've read too many articles and spoken to too many researchers about the
placebo effect to believe "seat of the pants" evaluations. Just curious,
Bogdan


Bogdan,

If the bike feels faster/more powerful to me...lol..I don't really care if
it is faster/more powerful.   I didn't spend the money to make a dyno
happy..=)

But, I know what you mean..=)

I think Eric J posted the before and after dyno jet dyno results for my KLR
on his page.

Cheers,

Vik



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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:49:02 -0700
From: Richard Ohnstad <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) NKLR - Access1

Anyone had any experiences, good or bad, with this Internet Service Provider?

Richard in Tucson
'94 KLR650
'86 VFR750


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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:19:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Juan Villarreal <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Dozin'

Uh-oh, I see where this thread is going.  Wake me
when it's over, and tell me who got the last
word...

Juan Villarreal, "The Happy Hooligan"
'97 KLR, "The Rock"


>> I've read too many articles and spoken to too
>> many researchers about the
>> placebo effect to believe "seat of the pants"
>> evaluations. Just curious,

>
> If the bike feels faster/more powerful to
> me...lol..I don't really care if
> it is faster/more powerful.   I didn't spend
> the money to make a dyno
> happy..=)
>
> But, I know what you mean..=)

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:38:48 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) Any advice for the new kid on the block?

Hello All,

I am a potential KLR buyer. I've never owned a motorcycle before and I was
interested in purchasing a strictly-street-bike, until I happened upon the
KLR 650 on the Kawasaki website. Wow, it changed my mind almost
instantaneously. I've read nothing but good things about it (well, almost
nothing). I would like to try to stretch my budget and get a 2000 model in
the next month or so. I plan to ride it mostly on street, with just a little
dirt on the weekends. The problem is I can't stand that new green color!!
What to do? What to do?

I like the bike so much that I was considering buying it, then getting an
auto-body shop somewhere to paint it. I think it would be beautiful in black.
So what do you think? Has anything like this ever been attempted before in
the history of man? Would this ruin the bike? Does anyone know how I would go
about getting new decals for the sides if I do paint it? The color of the
1999 model is tolerable, so I may just try to find one of those at a local
dealership (Roanoke, VA). Whatever I get, I would like it to be new. Any
suggestions?

I've read a lot of posts on this wonderful list, about all kinds of
modifications. Is their anything I absolutely should modify on this bike when
I get it, or will I be satisfied as a novice on the stock unit? Other than
cosmetic stuff, I hadn't planned on changing much of anything. I would like
to get some side racks for it, but I will definitely be on a very limited
budget after the acquisition of the bike itself. Anybody know the least
expensive racks available? Also, working with this limited budget, I've been
trying to find the least expensive full-face street helmet available. Are
Vector helmets OK, or does the mere mention of the name bring on
uncontrollable laughing fits for all who read this post?

Thank you in advance for the much needed advice,
Raamses, A.K.A. Ram

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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 00:56:09 -0400
From: Tom Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Any advice for the new kid on the block?

At 12:38 AM 9/2/99 EDT, [e-mail] wrote:
>Hello All,
>


Hi!



>I've read a lot of posts on this wonderful list, about all kinds of
>modifications. Is their anything I absolutely should modify on this bike
when
>I get it, or will I be satisfied as a novice on the stock unit?



    Buy it and ride it a bit and see what you think of it. The most common
initial purchases are a replacement seat, some sort of upgrade for the
front brakes (at least a braided steel brake line) and the instalation of
Progressive fork springs. It took me well over a year to get all these
things done on mine, but I suspest you will end up doing at least several
of them yourself.


- -Tom




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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:17:42 -0600
From: "Skip Faulkner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Any advice for the new kid on the block?

>Hello All,
>
.....................................>
snip<...................................................
>I like the bike so much that I was considering buying it, then getting an
>auto-body shop somewhere to paint it. I think it would be beautiful in
black.
>So what do you think? Has anything like this ever been attempted before in
>the history of man? Would this ruin the bike? Does anyone know how I would
go
>about getting new decals for the sides if I do paint it? The color of the
>1999 model is tolerable, so I may just try to find one of those at a local
>dealership (Roanoke, VA). Whatever I get, I would like it to be new. Any
>suggestions?
>.............................>snip<........................................
................
>I get it, or will I be satisfied as a novice on the stock unit? Other than
>cosmetic stuff, I hadn't planned on changing much of anything. I would like
>to get some side racks for it, but I will definitely be on a very limited
>budget after the acquisition of the bike itself. >Thank you in advance for
the much needed advice,
>Raamses, A.K.A. Ram



Raamses,
   I painted mine, although it was the best color scheme (A9) since
inception. The key is in the prep work. For a good, durable paint job on
plastic, it has to be properly cleaned and prepped with the right plastic
cleaner and adhesion promoter. Bonding the paint to the plastic is critical.
The prep work is very labor intensive, but is a labor of love. EVERY nook
and cranny has to prepped properly. I would be very careful in selecting who
you get to paint it and make sure they have a lot of experience with
plastic.
    I designed my own decals and had a graphics shop reproduce them in a
weatherproof vinyl, the same as the stock decals. I didn`t get it finished
till after Moab.
   I think you`ll enjoy the bike just fine stock. The KLR is a great bike as
it is, it`s just that many like to personalize their bikes to their
individual uses and tastes. To be honest, of all the bikes I`ve owned, the
KLR650 is my favorite in it`s stock condition, it`s just that I`ve got this
other personality that can`t leave well enough alone and will even attempt
to modify a brick, to meet his perceptions of the perfect brick for his
needs.
   Get the bike, ride it like it is for awhile and get used to it, you may
even come to love the color.

Skip ( who may have to exorcise the Dr..)


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