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klr650-digest         Friday, August 20 1999         Volume 02 : Number 745



Re: (klr650) Oil Change Using Just Sidestand?
Re: (klr650) Short centerstand?
Re: (klr650) Short centerstand?
Re: (klr650) NKLR:Strange Days Indeed/Most Peculiar
(klr650) Re: NKLR: Used KLR prices
Re: (klr650) Dual STar, no KLR content
Re: (klr650) Fork springs and front brake hose.
Re: (klr650) Fork springs and front brake hose.
Re: (klr650) Dual STar, no KLR content
RE: (klr650) Oil Change Using Just Sidestand?

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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:35:39 +0100
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Subject: Re: (klr650) Oil Change Using Just Sidestand?

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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:15:42 -0400
From: Stuart Heaslet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Short centerstand?

At 10:04 PM 8/19/99 -0700, Dreas Nielsen wrote:
>When I got my centerstand a year or so ago, for my new '98
>KLR, it raised the bike enough to get a wheel off the ground.  However, it
>no longer does, and hasn't for 6 months.  My forks are not overpressured.
>The forks or the rear shock seem to have relaxed somehow--the centerstand
>certainly hasn't gotten any shorter.
>Others may be experiencing this phenomenon and attributing it to an
>incorrectly sized centerstand.

The only way to know for sure is to measure the actual centerstand
dimension and call Mike to confirm it and arrange for the swap.  As I
recall, the height difference between the two versions is small, something
less than 1/2",  and maybe closer to 1/4".

Stuart

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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:22:53 -0400
From: Stuart Heaslet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Short centerstand?

At 10:56 PM 8/19/99 -0600, Vik Banerjee wrote:
>I am not sure what happened to your bike, but I can tell you the difference
>in length between a standard and short DualStar stand is significant.  I
>haven't measured it, but I wouldn't be surprised it  was 2" or more.

When I talked to Mike at DualStar, he said the difference was small, and my
understanding was that it was 1/4 - 1/2".  Understand that the angle of
inclination from the front wheel point to the rear wheel point  needs only
a small increase to cause a greater rear wheel ground clearance.

Stuart


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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:30:27 -0400
From: Stuart Heaslet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR:Strange Days Indeed/Most Peculiar

At 10:12 PM 8/19/99 -0700, Darrel & Deanna wrote:
>Stu H. wrote:
>Okay, that's it.  Gino is gettin' articulate, Arne's getting weird...I'm
>moving back to L.A.
>Stuart
>**********************
>You come on Fireball...we'll bring you in to the Cal Posse
>honorarily (no initiation required).

I need it.  It's a KLR wasteland here in the land of the newly wed and
nearly dead.  I saw another rider, and he turned around and talked with me,
but turns out his very young and very pregnant wife was making him get rid
of the bike.  I get the shakes when I see a fully functioning man reduced
to a sniveling mass of 'yes dears' and 'anything you say dears.'   It
coulda been me.

Note to list - I'm planning a RT x-country run, southern route, on the KLR
sometime in the next couple of months.  Will warn everyone so they can
leave town.

Stuart
Juno Beach, FL



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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:29:45 EDT
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Subject: (klr650) Re: NKLR: Used KLR prices

Amen.  Kawasaki dealers in southeastern Michigan don't seem to want to handle
KLR's.  Parts people have little experience also.  Good deals on the used
market though.  Perhaps outstate dealers are better.  This is the same
problem that faces many non-sports and non-cruiser type bikes.  I also have a
Honda ST1100, and I have yet to see a dealer with one on the floor.  How do
they expect to sell a (now) $14,000 bike without customers being able to see
one?  At least the terminally rude BMW dealers have models on the floor,
although they may decide that you are not worthy enough to have one.
T. S.

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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:42:29 -0400
From: Mark McCoy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Dual STar, no KLR content

We also have to remember what media we are communicating with.  Things that would
sound funny if we were all around a campfire holding beers can sound really
offensive via cold, hard alpha-numeric.  At work I have seen like minded good
people that should be allies end up pissed off at each other because of how
opinions came across on email.

Also, I think we must be slipping.  Dan who is quitting his job to tour Mexico
mentioned that somebody suggested he take a gun.  That should have sparked a
lengthy discussion of the merits of the 38 Super cartridge that would have
included recommend after market barrels for case neck head spacing and suggestions
on reloading components and charges.  What is happening to us? How could that just
slide by?

Mark McCoy

Jeff & Lisa Walker wrote:

> Gentlemen!
>
> Chill OUT!  Don't take things personally over a difference of
> opinion!  The beauty of our society is the ability to freely
> express our opinions and views and not be persecuted for them, as
> long as they don't advocate the harm to others.  We are all
> adults here.  Act accordingly.  If someone feels insulted, let it
> slide, worrying over something as trivial as an Internet
> conversation is useless stress, and we have enough of that in our
> daily lives.  Go out and get laid or go for a ride to relieve
> some of that!  Remember, the ability to forgive and forget an
> insult, whether real or imagined, is what makes us men, (and
> women), not children.
>
> Honestly, first road rage, now "list rage"
>
> Jeff
>
> > Sounds to me like you don't appreciate my opinion on the
> subject.
> > I guess since I don't "tow the line" I'd better leave.
> > One thing though..... I DID NOT make a personal issue and
> harange on a
> > personal basis. I DID NOT attack, berate or putdown anyone.
> > ALL I did was express my opinion concerning the present state
> of our
> > socio-economic condition with an emphasis on vendors
> maintaining the flow of
> > communication with those who provide their livelihood.
> >
> > Sounds to me like there's AN INDIVIDUAL in your group here (or
> maybe
> > several) that don't share and agree to what YOU deem as right
> and proper,
> > and you don't like it. If you have a personal problem with me,
> I'm sorry,
> > but I can't help that.
> > If my company here is not approved of, take me off the list,
> but have the
> > brass to admit it.
> > NY Pete
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >Pete writes...
> > >>>It's My $$$. Spoiled or not, it's MY money....<<
> > >
> > >Maybe you should just take your money elsewhere then. Last
> time I checked,
> > >no one ever said they'd break my arm if I didn't buy their
> product.
> > >
> > >>>I'm fully aware of "niche" marketing. I'm have a small
> "niche" market. I
> > >build custom cabinets on the side using "word of mouth"
> advertising only.
> > >I'm fairly successful.<<
> > >
> > >Good for you.
> > >
> > >>>If it's too much trouble to maintain communication from
> vendor to buyer.
> > >It's too much trouble for THIS BUYER to deal with that vendor.
> In todays
> > >economic society "SERVICE IS EVERYTHING".
> > >There are simply too many other avenues to satiate one's
> desire.
> > >You might call it spoiled, I call it "purchasing power".<<
> > >
> > >Okay, take your purchasing power, call Motorcycle Accessory
> Warehouse and
> > >order a center stand for a KLR650, and some highwaypegs and a
> radiator
> > >guard.  Then sit back and listen to the silence.
> > >
> > >>>If a vendor in today's world cannot grasp that ideal, than
> that vendor
> > >deserves to be left by the wayside.<<
> > >
> > >Last time I checked, Happy Trails and Dual Star had waiting
> lists for their
> > >items, they won't miss you.
> > >
> > >>>I happen to strongly believe in supporting those who support
> me, ie:
> > >buying
> > >products and services from "niche" marketers who enjoy my
> hobbies.
> > >But I better be treated like the vendor NEEDS my business.<<
> > >
> > >Sounds like you need to buy a BMW.
> > >
> > >Gino
> > >
> > >
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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:47:36 -0400
From: Mark McCoy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Fork springs and front brake hose.

Jeff & Lisa Walker wrote:

> Maybe someone with resources could crawl around a bone yard and find one from
> some other bike and see if it fits the KLR?

And why not a rotor?  Could a carrier be made easier and cheaper than a
replacement rotor?  What about a rotor and caliper from a ZX11.  Am I full of it?

Mark McCoy



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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:47:19 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) Fork springs and front brake hose.

It depends on how much road & trail riding that you do vs. how much gnarly
riding.  For the road, fire roads and improved trails, the better feel of the
ss brake lines makes braking more precise and provides better feel, for me at
least.
T.S.
Exhaust people -- I have a family emergency and will be home this weekend, so
will respond to all messages.  From the great white north...
T.S.

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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 05:54:40 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Dual STar, no KLR content

> Also, I think we must be slipping.  Dan who is quitting his job
to tour Mexico
> mentioned that somebody suggested he take a gun.  That should
have sparked a
> lengthy discussion of the merits of the 38 Super cartridge that
would have
> included recommend after market barrels for case neck head
spacing and suggestions
> on reloading components and charges.  What is happening to us?
How could that just
> slide by?
>
Now that you mention it, I'd definitely recommend the .40 S&W
over the .38, or even the 10mm over the .38 .  I'm really partial
to high capacity magazines with good stopping power and no
over-penetration these days.  (Which rules out the .357 and 44
mags, as well as some loads for the .45ACP, though I'm curious
about the new .357 Sig round).  There have been extensive tests
done on stopping power of all kinds of rounds, and the .40's
performed admirably.  The FBI recommends high capacity magazines
and continued target engagement after an initial hit, since there
is no magic bullets and the opposition can return fire even after
being hit fatally.  However, for travel in Mexico, I really don't
recommend carrying a handgun, its not worth the risk, especially
with the local law enforcement.  In that case I would recommend a
quality folding knife, like the Spyderco Endura, and some
training and practice on its use for self defense.  My
understanding is that knives over a certain length are illegal in
Mexico too, but I'm pretty sure the Spyderco qualifies as a
pocket knife.  Self defense aside, my Spyderco is the best knife
I've ever owned, and I never leave the house with out it.
Finally, I would recommend a good positive attitude towards all
you meet in Mexico.  Good karma goes a very long way, and
requires no defense.

Jeff


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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:51:46 -0400
From: "Blake, Paul" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) Oil Change Using Just Sidestand?

I just use a few extra pieces of wood I have laying around the garage under
the sidestand so that the bike is nearly straight up.  I then put a 2x10
under the right footpeg to ensure the bike doesn't topple to the right.  It
seems pretty secure.  I let mine drain over night, hopefully ensuring the
majority of the old oil is out.  Before putting in the plug and new oil, I
put the bike back on the stand for a little while, and also try leaning it
to the right some, just to make sure as much of the oil as possible is out.
It always bugs me that I can see just a tiny bit of oil in the bottom of the
oil level window!!

Paul


    any tips for doing it this way...

    Thanks,
    Andy

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