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klr650-digest          Friday, July 30 1999          Volume 02 : Number 673



Re: Fw: Re[4]: (klr650) Synthetic Oil - now Diesel Oil (NKLR)
(klr650) Early Valve Check, and Oil
Re: (klr650) chain replacement
(klr650) Corbin knows us...
Re: Re[4]: (klr650) Synthetic Oil - now Diesel Oil (NKLR)
Re: Re[4]: (klr650) Synthetic Oil - now Diesel Oil (NKLR)
Re: Re[4]: (klr650) Synthetic Oil - now Diesel Oil (NKLR)
Re: (klr650) Early Valve Check, and Oil
Re: (klr650) (KLR650) Oil leak
(klr650) Re: Starter Solenoid
Re: (klr650) (KLR650) Oil leak
Re: (klr650) Oil Pressure
(klr650) Bongs and economics NKLR

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:23:57 -0600
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Fw: Re[4]: (klr650) Synthetic Oil - now Diesel Oil (NKLR)

>Arne---absolutely correct.  Oils like the Mobil Delvac 1300 15-40 that I use
>meet all requirements for high peformance gasoline engines plus have the
>added anti-wear additives to stand up to the higher presures in diesels, this
>has always seemed a good thing to me.  I've used them in bikes for years with
>good results.  I also like the price, Delvac is $5.49 a gallon at my local
>auto parts store.
>Kurt Grife
>Avila Beach, Ca


speaking of "good shit" I've got my gallon jug of Valvoline Premium Blue (specially designed for
Cummins)...and there is absolutely, positvely no SJ doughnut on it. Only CG-4/SH....yeaahhh.....

On another note, Kurt, I just read the Rider article on the Tiger that you were co-testing and with
your Rider connections can you give me a bottom-line on motorcycle lifts for the KLR? The buying guide
was in that same issue and I know your bike was used on the Uplift model. Do you have a sense of what
lift would be a good solid choice?

Thanks,

Kurt


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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 22:30:02 +0100
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) Early Valve Check, and Oil

I've read a lot in the archives about the importance
of valve checks at the 500 mile service.  However,
my 99 UK KLR's service schedule does not have a
valve check scheduled until 7,500 miles!  Anyone
know why this is?  I thought the UK and US
engines were the same?  Have Kawasaki changed
the recommendation recently in the US at all?

And sorry to bring this up again, but searching
for "oil" in the archives brings up 650 matches.  Is
there a "best" or at least "liked by the majority" oil
to use in the KLR at the first service?  Is it OK to
simply use _any_ bike oil of the correct viscocity (as
listed in the owner's guide)?

Thanks,
Andy

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:31:36 PDT
From: "Conall O'Brien" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) chain replacement

Dan-
Having a worn chain and sprockets while on a trip is one of the biggest
bummers around. I've found that a good chain will require very little
adjustment during it's usuable life, then BAM it gets worn out real quick
all of a sudden.
I use the lower cost DID 520V Vector O-ring rather than the Xchain prefered
by everyone else. about $65. Life expectancy is about the same for both.(?)
If your trip is more than 500 miles , I'd change them along with the
sprockets.
Conall

>From: dan shaw <[e-mail]>
>Reply-To: dan shaw <[e-mail]>
>To: KLR650 Mailing list <[e-mail]>
>Subject: (klr650) chain replacement
>Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 06:39:29 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>ive got about 11 k miles on my bike with original chain and sprocket. i
>measured the stretch and its still within specs. should i go ahead and
>replace it anyway to be on the safe side before a long bike trip? i do
>most of my riding on road and i dont hammer it too much. i dont want to
>replace the chain if its not nessesary. thanks.
>
>dan
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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:29:18 -0600
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Corbin knows us...

I just had my yearly check-in with Raul and it appears all is very well. Raul, is glad to continue to
be the KLR and now DR contact for the two lists and for the modified without the dip seats. He said
that he has been amazed at the response since we made the contact with him. He said that on KLR's no
one orders the standard seat anymore.  I asked him about lister Dean Harrison's miscue. Dean ordered a
modified and received a standard. Raul said he talked to Dean earlier this week and acknowledged that
Dean had ordered correctly and the factory had made the mixup...they're doing an exchange at no charge
to Dean. We've come a long way on this one.

No for the DR's. He said he can do the same treatment for the DR. So, I ordered one from him. The
price has gone up a bit...$296 in leather delivered.  If you want a modified Corbin without the dip
for a KLR or DR contact Raul directly at Corbin. 1-800-538-7035. Standard disclaimer.

Kurt Simpson
Salt Lake City


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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:42:09 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re[4]: (klr650) Synthetic Oil - now Diesel Oil (NKLR)

> >out there.  It's good shit.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Arne
>
>
> ummm, seems like the last time I heard that term...it had do
with something quite different than
> oil....this is, of course, a very ancient memory....
>
From now on, I'm calling you Kurt "Cheech" Simpson!  Reminds me
of a sociology teacher I had in high school.  He was an old
hipster, talked kind of like Ausin Powers, minus the brit accent.
One day a stoner walked into class baked, and the teacher says
something like "Ahh, the sweat smell of success!"  So I asked him
if he ever did bong hits.  His reply was "Hey, I went to college
baby!"

Jeff


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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:39:53 -0600
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re[4]: (klr650) Synthetic Oil - now Diesel Oil (NKLR)

>>From now on, I'm calling you Kurt "Cheech" Simpson!  Reminds me
>of a sociology teacher I had in high school.  He was an old
>hipster, talked kind of like Ausin Powers, minus the brit accent.
>One day a stoner walked into class baked, and the teacher says
>something like "Ahh, the sweat smell of success!"  So I asked him
>if he ever did bong hits.  His reply was "Hey, I went to college
>baby!"


I resemble that remark....my class of Sociology seniors...gave me a present which I still have...it
was a purple bong...of course, this was a long long time ago and it has remained largely (g)
unused...they were always trying to get me to tell them about Woodstock and Jimi Hendrix and basically
turn me into Elvis Beatle...while, I was trying to turn them on to Adam Smith, Charles Darwin, Sigmund
Freud, C. G. Jung, and Karl Marx....it was a simpler time...

Kurt


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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:49:38 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re[4]: (klr650) Synthetic Oil - now Diesel Oil (NKLR)

> >
> >
> > 1200 kilometers so far.  What kind of negative effects were
you thinking
> of?
> >
> > Arne
> > ___________________________________________
> >
> >      Welll...I mean...diesil oil is meant for diesel's,
> >      motor oil is for motors...
> >
> A diesel motor "IS" a motor.
> >
> >      There must be some difference, otherwise they would
> >      not call them diesel or motor oil.
> >
> The difference is that regular motor oil is not good enough for
diesels as
> they run at higher temps under more extreme conditions - much
like I ride my
> bike =^)  Next time you're at the store, take a look on the
back of a
> can/jug of diesel oil.  It meets every sj; sg; agp; 123; yyz
classification
> out there.  It's good shit.
>
Very economic too.  Diesels don't get tons of oil changes like
cars do, and not as many people own diesels, so the diesel oil
isn't in as high of demand, and thus priced lower.  I highly
recommend Valvoline Premium Blue Diesel, it's GREAT shit!  At the
cost of a gallon of this stuff, compared to the synth stuff, you
can't go wrong, since you can afford to change your oil three
times as much.  My personal opinion is that modern motor oils
don't suffer as much viscosity breakdown as it used to, and that
is the main advantage that synths have had, they last longer.
But mineral oil or synthetic, both oils are picking up
contaminants from your motor as it runs, and the main goal of
changing your oil is to keep the motor clean inside.  So what
matter if the synth can physically run twice as long, it will be
twice as dirty.  So buy the cheaper diesel oil and change more
often for engine longevity.  Actually, my bike burns a lot of
oil, and so there's another good reason for me to get the less
expensive diesel oil.

Jeff


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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:45:19 -0600
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Early Valve Check, and Oil

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Friday, July 30, 1999 3:31 PM
Subject: (klr650) Early Valve Check, and Oil


>I've read a lot in the archives about the importance
>of valve checks at the 500 mile service.  However,
>my 99 UK KLR's service schedule does not have a
>valve check scheduled until 7,500 miles!  Anyone
>know why this is?  I thought the UK and US
>engines were the same?  Have Kawasaki changed
>the recommendation recently in the US at all?


veerrrry innnnteeresstinnggg...I'd check it anyway...


>And sorry to bring this up again, but searching
>for "oil" in the archives brings up 650 matches

is that all!? The CW seems to be don't use a synthetic until the first 2,500 miles...no one seems to
have a problem with motorcycle specific oils except the cost. So if you don't want to be bothered just
pour in your favorite brand...Redline, Motul, Golden Spectro or whatever. The rest of us idiots are
trying to beat the system. We think we're on to something with buying a gallon jug premium diesel oil
like Rotella (Shell), Delvac (Mobil) or my favorite, Valvoline Premium Blue. The futher CW is do not
use automobile oils with the SJ rating.

Kurt


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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:55:02 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) (KLR650) Oil leak

> >Well, replace the crush washer on your oil drain plug.  Wipe
up
> >all the excess oil on your case.  Make the budget swing arm
> >stands that are on the DSN website, here:
> >http://www.geocities.com/~klrdsn/page26.html  Take the cover
off
> >from over your countershaft sprocket.  Prop your bike up and
> >start it.  Put it in gear and see if you can see leakage
coming
> >from around the countershaft seal.
>
> I'd be very careful and have somebody to help you when you do
this.  The
> budget swing arm stand was not meant to support a running KLR
in gear.   If
> the bike came off the stand it could be expensive when it runs
into your
> Lexus or hits one of your children - not to mention the damage
to your KLR.
>
Point taken, HOWEVER, I do it every week or so, whenever I lube
my chain, and have done so since I made my stands last year, and
never even came close to an accident.  They really are very
stabile when made properly.  I have even climbed on my bike when
up on the stands to test them.  While I was able to rock the bike
off, it took some effort.

Jeff


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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:48:00 PDT
From: "Conall O'Brien" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Re: Starter Solenoid

>From: [e-mail]
>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>To: [e-mail]
>Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:46:42 -0700
>
>oop's thanks Curt
>
>
>New to the list(bike) with a 92 klr650 w/cobra ISDE, airbox mod, dynojet,
>11k, runs great. #1. My starter selonoid is getting intermittent, any one
>else have this problem? Is there a better/cheaper alternative or should I
>bite the $40 bullet? #2.
A Couple of possibilities-
What makes you think that you're solenoid is intermittent?
Does the bike turn over a second or two and then you hear clicking?  Bad
battery. (happened to me)
Does it not turn over at all some days and then start right up the next day?
Defective safety lockout switch. (will happen sooner or later).

Conall- Charger on new battery now down to 2 amps.


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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:47:12 -0600
From: "Vik Banerjee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) (KLR650) Oil leak

>Point taken, HOWEVER, I do it every week or so, whenever I lube
>my chain, and have done so since I made my stands last year, and
>never even came close to an accident.  They really are very
>stabile when made properly.  I have even climbed on my bike when
>up on the stands to test them.  While I was able to rock the bike
>off, it took some effort.
>
>Jeff


I have never fallen off my bike while riding on the road yet I still wear
leathers and gloves, etc...  The fact an accident hasn't happened wouldn't
be my test to see if something is safe, but hey everybody has to determine
what risk is acceptable to them.

Cheers,

Vik



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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:08:51 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Oil Pressure

> I would like to install an oil pressure gauge on my KLR. Could
anyone in the
> collective offer any wisdom on this?
>
Mechanical gauge or electrical?  An electrical gauge has a pretty
sizable sending unit, about the size of an 8 oz can of tomato
sauce, and you would need to find a place to tap a hole for it to
screw into.  A mechanical gauge might be a better bet, and maybe
you could but a junction on the metal oil supply pipe to the
valves that runs on the outside of the motor.  Problems with
mechanical gauges are that they don't respond to changes in
pressure as quickly as electrical gauges, and the oil from the
motor is actually in the line that runs to the gauge, a potential
leak problem.  I'm wondering why you feel the need for such a
gauge?  Oil pressure is the least of my worries on my bike, since
the oil pump is geared directly to the crankshaft, and I have
never heard of one failing.  The manual does show a mechanical
gauge being attached to the end of the oil passage plug (that
passage that comes down from the oil filter cavity) to check the
oil pressure at the shop.  The only gauges that I am really glad
to have on this bike are already on it, the tach and the water
temperature gauge.

Jeff


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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:28:11 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Bongs and economics NKLR

>
> I resemble that remark....my class of Sociology seniors...gave
me a present which I still have...it
> was a purple bong...of course, this was a long long time ago
and it has remained largely (g)
> unused...they were always trying to get me to tell them about
Woodstock and Jimi Hendrix and basically
> turn me into Elvis Beatle...while, I was trying to turn them on
to Adam Smith, Charles Darwin, Sigmund
> Freud, C. G. Jung, and Karl Marx....it was a simpler time...
>
Adam Smith?  I should think that John Maynard Keynes would be
more appropriate.  As for Karl Marx, well, you know how I feel
about those commie bastards.  Look at the modern equivalent to
Marks in the form of European Socialism, and see what it brought
us, the Peugot.  I loved that way that car drove, but you
practically needed a government agency to work on it for you,
since it was engineered so stupidly.  It actually requires a
special tool to change the oil!

As for bongs, I've seen everything from giant room sized hookahs
to home made electric blowers.  Ask me about the gravity bong
offlist.

Jeff


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