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klr650-digest          Friday, July 30 1999          Volume 02 : Number 671



Re: (klr650) stability
(klr650) chain replacement
Re: (klr650) chain replacement
(klr650) wheel bearing p/n
Re: (klr650) chain replacement
(klr650) KLR rollover continued
Re: (klr650) wheel bearing p/n
(klr650) NKLR: UK Insurance (mine went up by 80 quid!?!?!?)
Fw: (klr650) Synthetic Oil
Re: (klr650) Synthetic Oil
Re: (klr650) chain replacement
[none]
(klr650) NKLR..UK

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 07:46:11 -0600
From: "Fred Hink" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) stability

- ----- Original Message -----
From: dan shaw <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Friday, July 30, 1999 6:24 AM
Subject: Re: (klr650) stability


>
> id like to thank everyone for the stability advice . im going to up the
> pressure to 30-32 psi and see if that helps..
>
> one more question though, would the position of the front forks make
> this wobble any better or worse. would raising them in the tubes be get
> rid of a wobble, or make it worse. id like to know which way to go
> before i move them.
>
> thanks everyone!
>
> dan


Hi Dan,

Lets be clear what we are talking about here.  The forks and the tubes are
the same thing.  The triple clamps are what hold the tubes to the bike.
Changing the tubes or forks in relation to the triple clamps is what effects
the handling of your bike.  Some people think that raising the forks means
to raise the front end of their bikes when they actually mean to lower the
forks in the triple clamp to raise the bike.
Anytime you change your steering geometry you effect the way your bike
handles.  Raising the forks in the triple clamp (lowering the front end)
makes your bike steer quicker and will make your bike wobble more at high
speeds.  This would be better for street riding at slow speeds but not good
out on the highway.  If you were to lower your forks in the triple clamps,
you rake out the front end to make it turn slower (think of the chopper in
Easy Rider) and this will help stability at higher speeds but makes it wash
out the front wheel at slower speeds.  It is all a trade off.  Getting the
right balance of quick steering and having your front wheel stick to the
road for all conditions is a hard thing to come by.

Hope this helps.

Fred


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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 06:39:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: dan shaw <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) chain replacement

ive got about 11 k miles on my bike with original chain and sprocket. i
measured the stretch and its still within specs. should i go ahead and
replace it anyway to be on the safe side before a long bike trip? i do
most of my riding on road and i dont hammer it too much. i dont want to
replace the chain if its not nessesary. thanks.

dan
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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:28:25 -0600
From: "Fred Hink" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) chain replacement

- ----- Original Message -----
From: dan shaw <[e-mail]>
To: KLR650 Mailing list <[e-mail]>
Sent: Friday, July 30, 1999 7:39 AM
Subject: (klr650) chain replacement


>
> ive got about 11 k miles on my bike with original chain and sprocket. i
> measured the stretch and its still within specs. should i go ahead and
> replace it anyway to be on the safe side before a long bike trip? i do
> most of my riding on road and i dont hammer it too much. i dont want to
> replace the chain if its not nessesary. thanks.
>
> dan

Dan,

Depending on how long your trip is I would say that your chain is getting
close to the end of it's life.  I have heard of chains lasting longer and I
have heard of chains lasting less than this.  To be safe if I were taking a
long trip (2K/3K) I think I would replace it now before it gives you trouble
in the middle of your trip.  AKA Bogdan  ;<)

Fred


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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 07:50:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: dan shaw <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) wheel bearing p/n

hey,

does anyone know the part numbers for the front and rear wheel bearing
numbers? thanks

dan


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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:46:06 -0400
From: Tom Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) chain replacement

At 08:28 AM 7/30/1999 -0600, Fred Hink wrote:
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: dan shaw <[e-mail]>
>To: KLR650 Mailing list <[e-mail]>
>Sent: Friday, July 30, 1999 7:39 AM
>Subject: (klr650) chain replacement
>
>
>>
>> ive got about 11 k miles on my bike with original chain and sprocket. i
>> measured the stretch and its still within specs. should i go ahead and
>> replace it anyway to be on the safe side before a long bike trip? i do
>> most of my riding on road and i dont hammer it too much. i dont want to
>> replace the chain if its not nessesary. thanks.
>>
>> dan
>
>Dan,
>
>Depending on how long your trip is I would say that your chain is getting
>close to the end of it's life.  I have heard of chains lasting longer and I
>have heard of chains lasting less than this.  To be safe if I were taking a
>long trip (2K/3K) I think I would replace it now before it gives you trouble
>in the middle of your trip.  AKA Bogdan  ;<)
>
>Fred



    Like my DID X-Ring w/ 13,000 miles on it did on my trip.

    I didnt want to spend the money before the trip. As it was, it almost
didnt get me home and I had to buy a Scott Oiler to keep the chain alive
just a bit longer.  :)


- -Tom
is now a Scott Oiler convert
'96 KLR 650





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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:05:11 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) KLR rollover continued

My first crash on my KLR in Oct. 1996 occurred while stopped. My wife and I
were on vacation going up the northern California coast. We had stopped in
Eureka for dinner and deceided to ride on to Crescent City to stop for the
night. This stretch of 90 miles looks like good road on the map but looks can
be decieving. We also forgot to allow for the time of year. After riding all
day, starting that morning at 7:00am, we were about 25 miles south of
Crescent city at 9:30 that night. The road would have been ok except the
ocean fog came in and reduced visibility severely. This was my wife's first
long trip on her KLR. Our speed was reduced to 25-30 mph and the fog was
dripping off of everything, like riding in a slow rain. My wife was
continuing by following my tail light. I had needed to clear my visor for
some time when I found a nice wide paved shoulder. I eased over to the side
and stopped. So far so good. I leaned the bike slightly to the right to get
the kickstand down. This is when I found out that the road was covered with
wet debris from the surrounding redwoods. My right foot had no grip and slid
out letting the bike with me still aboard do the roll off the the right. I
managed to keep my foot out from under the bike but managed to snag the
spring on the kickstand on my way off. I wound up 20 feet down the embankment
in the middle of a redwood forest in the fog in almost total darkness. My
wife had pulled over behind me but was still back about 40 feet when she saw
my tail light roll off to the right. She luckily deceided to stop where she
was, and avoided the debris which caused my  gymnastics. After she got
stopped and off of the bike we were able right my bike and discovered the
missing spring along with a couple of cracked ribs. We searched the roadside
for 20 minutes for the spring using only a minimag flashlight. I had finally
deceided to bungee the kickstand in place when the spring was found by my
wife about 10 feet behind her bike. She just happened to see a glint in the
bushes when she was returning to her bike. After reinstalling the spring and
cleaning my visor, we were just starting the bikes when a good samaritan
stopped to see if we needed help. The whole stop took almost an hour. In
retrospect we should have stopped for the night in Eureka. This almost
certainly would not have happened had I not been extremely tired which
impared my judgement.

These are the things memories are made of!

Gary
A10
Fresno

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:13:49 -0400
From: "R. Kaub" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) wheel bearing p/n

>does anyone know the part numbers for the front and rear wheel bearing
>numbers? thanks
>
>dan

Hey:
The industry numbers for the rear wheel bearings are:
6003
6004
6204

You can buy the same bearing in several configurations. Open, shielded, or
sealed. Be sure to buy one that looks like the one in your bike (assuming
it's the original bearing).
I'm reasonably sure that these numbers are correct.
You can buy these at any industrial bearing supply house.
I don't know the numbers for the front.
Thanks.
Bob Kaub


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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:25:36 +0100 (BST)
From: Yusseri Yusoff <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) NKLR: UK Insurance (mine went up by 80 quid!?!?!?)

Just a rant. My insurance for the KLR is due for renewal next month and I
got a letter from the company. It's up by 80 quid. Left me scratching my
head there for awhile. I've got 2 years no claims, not dropped the bike,
never had it nicked, so what the...?

Other UK listers out there, got any idea why this is?

Yus

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:43:51 -0700
From: "Dave Zuber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: (klr650) Synthetic Oil

When STP first came out, we put it in some honda twins and the clutch became
an automatic clutch.  It slipped more when the lever was in, and slipped a
lot when out.

Are you running the synthetic Diesel oil?  Most diesel formulations can
absorb a great amount of carbon blowby, great for old tired KLR's.


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Brian Bonenfant <[e-mail]>
>To: Dave Zuber <[e-mail]>
>Date: Thursday, July 29, 1999 8:19 AM
>Subject: Re: (klr650) Synthetic Oil
>
>
>>You can't believe what ? Is adding STP a problem ? So far 400 km and
>everything is
>>working great (every shift is at 7000 rpm and 0 slippage) - what was the
>note
>>intended for... have you had first hand experience, you oviously made this
>mistake
>>previously ?
>>
>>Dave Zuber wrote:
>>
>>> I can't beleve you are serious.
>>>
>>> ( A note to other listers: watch for the follow up postings "KLR Clutch
>>> Slipping"  or "My Cold Engine Cranks Slowly")
>>
>>
>


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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:45:38 -0700
From: "Dave Zuber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Synthetic Oil

Diesel oil is ok,,, it's the STP additive that usually makes the clutch
slip..And greatly thickens up the viscosity.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Arne Larsen <[e-mail]>
To: Dave Zuber <[e-mail]>;
[e-mail]<[e-mail]>
Date: Friday, July 30, 1999 2:01 AM
Subject: Re: (klr650) Synthetic Oil


>RE:  Brian and Arne running diesel oil:
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Dave Zuber <[e-mail]>
>
>> I can't beleve you are serious.
>>
>> ( A note to other listers: watch for the follow up postings "KLR Clutch
>> Slipping"  or "My Cold Engine Cranks Slowly")
>_____________
>
>Why would the clutch slip?  Why would the engine crank slowly?  10-50W
>diesel oil is just that; an oil with a viscosity rating of 10-50.  It's not
>90W gear oil.
>
>Diesel oil is designed to operate under extreme conditions, with
>anti-viscosity break-down, and anti-foaming properties that exceed the
other
>oils on the market.
>
>Others on this list have also used it with great success.
>
>Kurt, you still running it?
>
>Arne
>
>


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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:45:42 -0400
From: Stuart Heaslet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) chain replacement

At 06:39 AM 7/30/99 -0700, dan shaw wrote:
>... should i go ahead and replace it anyway to be on the safe side before
a long bike trip?

 I would.  I got 12,600 miles out of my Did-X chain and front/rear
sprockets before changing out the whole set.  That included 3,000 miles of
dirt and gravel riding, so even though the chain wasn't stretched beyond
spec, it sure got kinky from the chain wax, and the sprockets looked real
pointy.   I don't like to mix new chain and old sprockets.

Stuart


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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:46:42 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [none]

oop's thanks Curt


New to the list(bike) with a 92 klr650 w/cobra ISDE, airbox mod, dynojet,
11k, runs great. #1. My starter selonoid is getting intermittent, any one
else have this problem? Is there a better/cheaper alternative or should I
bite the $40 bullet? #2. My buds 85 klr 600 overheats at the gauge but the
fan doesn't kick in until it gets real hot. This happened after a coolant
change and all factory manual tests of senders, guage, fan switch show OK.
We suspect steam caught in the system. Is there a trick to purging the air
out? #3. Does anyone know of a low mount fender for the front of the 650 #4.
Is the valve cover gasket reusable?


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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:53:43 +0100
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