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klr650-digest          Monday, July 12 1999          Volume 02 : Number 600



Re: (klr650) New KLR650
(klr650) Left side cover bolt torque?
Re: (klr650) Gasket, Drain Plug
(klr650) RE: klr650-digest V2 #599
(klr650) Engine mount bracket question
(klr650) NKLR - Webpage comments requested
Re: (klr650) NKLR - Webpage comments requested
(klr650) Re:(NKLR) Maybe its just me
Re: (klr650) more progressivity
Re: (klr650) List maturity...
Re: (klr650) (KLR650) Canadian Needles
Re: (klr650) Back from Prudhoe Bay
Re: (klr650) Gasket, Drain Plug
Re: (klr650) Engine mount bracket question
Re: (klr650) NKLR - Webpage comments requested
Re: (klr650) (KLR650) Canadian Needles
Re: (klr650) confession - NKLR

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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:53:46 -0700
From: "Robert Morgan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) New KLR650

Ed
I also thought the rear brake almost useless.  I may be in the minority list
wise though as I tend to use my rear brake more than most hard core dirt
riders.  I replaced my rear line with a stainless one when I upgraded the
front.  It is very firm now, even more of an improvement than on the front.
I don't have a brand endorsement for you as I had my lines custom made from
the local "Earl's Performance Plumbing" jobber.  They were about 80 or 90
dollars for the pair, the guy made them while I waited.  I still have the
original pads, front and rear with greatly enhanced braking ability.
Morgan


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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 17:04:33 -0700
From: Vic DeFilippis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Left side cover bolt torque?

Can anyone out there tell me how much I should torque the bolts on the left
side  engine cover?  If there is some specification in the service manual or
supplememnt I can't find it...

Thanks,

- -Vic (A12)


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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:20:27 -0600
From: "Fred Hink" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Gasket, Drain Plug

- ----- Original Message -----
From: bob kaub <[e-mail]>
To: KLR Mailing List <[e-mail]>
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 1999 5:49 PM
Subject: (klr650) Gasket, Drain Plug


> FWIW:
> Kawasaki Part #92065-097.
> The aluminum washer under the engine oil drain plug.
> 22mm outside diameter
> 12mm inside diameter (the hole)
> 2mm thick
> My original one was getting kinda squished after several oil changes but
it
> wasn't leaking yet.
> My guess is that if you put a new one on once a year, you will be fine.
> Dealer charged me a buck for the last one he had.
> The Honda aluminum auto drain plug gaskets that I keep around will NOT
fit.
> I tried my local auto parts store and they don't even carry the aluminum
> crush washer type gaskets, only nylon or fiber gaskets.
> Thanks.


I have the drain plug washers in stock and I think they are about 50 cents
each.  The new magnetic drain plugs that I have for sale are now coming with
a thin o-ring seal and no washer.

Fred


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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:15:55 -0700
From: "Stuart Mumford" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) RE: klr650-digest V2 #599

I think someone needs a group hug . . .. . . .

CA Stu A13 < - - aka  Mr. Sensitivity


> bease..."nestle"...has something happened to you since Reno? You are
getting
> awfully tender here...you haven't changed your image also have you? (g)
>
> Kurt

I have to add that the term "nestle" gave me cause to pause as well...
I am concerned for Chris.


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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 19:12:16 -0700
From: Vic DeFilippis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Engine mount bracket question

Okay, I'm in the middle of putting my bike back together after taking it
apart about 3 months ago (i.e. I can't remember how everything went on!).
Anyway, the top rear engine mount bracket has 3 holes for the bolts - first
2 go into the frame, the third goes into the engine.  The bolt that goes
through the 3rd one that goes into the engine screws into a threaded bracket
that's sort of shaped like a hook.  My question is, what is the orientation
of the bracket?  Does the lip of the hook sit up against the engine or away
from it?

Thanks to anyone who can both interpret this and answer,

- -Vic (A12) <-------------- Beer has destroyed this man's memory


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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 22:45:14 -0400
From: "Eric Jasniewicz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) NKLR - Webpage comments requested

Well, I've gone and done it now.  I have to go through practically all my
files and reorganize because the page is getting tooooo big.  If any of you
could make some comments or suggestions, I would like to hear them.  I have
yet to find a background color/texture that I like.  Some of you may have
noticed every now and then I changed the backgrounds.  Was the solid gray
good?  Marble looked like crap?  Just leave it white?

Arne, remember what I said about planning the site out in the beginning? ;)

Eric J
www.angelfire.com/ga/ericjazz
'98 KLR 650 16,800 miles


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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 20:54:55 -0700
From: "Robert Morgan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR - Webpage comments requested

Wow Eric
Hadn't surfed by in a long while.  Looks real impressive.  Could use a
little added "production value".  You know.....chicks!
Morgan


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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 21:00:22 -0700
From: "Robert Morgan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Re:(NKLR) Maybe its just me

I dunno maybe its just me, but does anybody else think Trent Lott looks like
a vampire!
Morgan


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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:21:46 -0700
From: Chris Beasley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) more progressivity

Mr. Lampson,
Dude!  You should send it up here to Phil at Aftershocks.
Or else to Bob Bell in San Diego.  Either of them should be able to rebuild
your stock KLR shock into a sweetheart with a different spring, new seals,
polished shaft (if it's old and pitted), and of course, the all important
RE-VALVING.

Yeah, you know it brother, if you go to a new spring you're gonna need the
new (or at least rebuilt) damping.  The good news is that the stock KLR shock
is a pretty modern design (shimstack valving, I'm told) and can be rebuilt
for 1/2 to 2/3 the price of a trick aftermarket shock.  For this reason, I'm told
it's a waste of money to put a gold valve into a KLR shock rebuild because that's
more commonly used to convert an older damper-rod shock into a shimstack damping
arrangement.

I now have full rebound and compression damping control ( eight clicks of
compression! ) with a remote resevoir.  By keeping the stock shock I maintained
Kawi's neat preload adjuster, (although it only has about 1/2 centimeter of
adjustment.)  I also saved money by having my stock spring's spring-constant
raised.  All that requires was collapsing a coil and adding a spacer to the
stack.  Apparently this is not supposed to reduce your travel.

The only things I didn't do were polish and hard anodize the shock body, or
replace the bottoming bumper.  Phil was having trouble finding the bottoming
bumper.  Anyone (Fred ;<) have a good source for some urethane to fit the stock
KLR shock?

This setup worked GREAT in the Reno200!  Can't wait to try it at Moab2000!
Cheers!
Beez


Tobin Lampson wrote:

> Fred--
>         So, using any of the progressive spring you mention--which are
> stiffer---means that the rebound damping(of stock) would not match.
>         Right?

Yep!

>         If I had my stock cartridge re-done, revalved....it could
> probably be made to work without having to buy that part, right?

Oh yeah!

>         I'm trying to be a cheapo you know. Would the saving
>         be worth it, ya think?                  Thanks Toby

Yep, an' you gonna LIKE it!   ;-))Beezmandeptyanshit


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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:31:25 -0700
From: Chris Beasley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) List maturity...

Kurt Simpson wrote:

> I was thinking on the way back from lunch that the KLR list is moving into a new and great
> place. A new level of exploration. We've got half a dozen people playing with the rear
> shocks. A couple modifying the subframe. A couple of super motards. A few with engine
> mods. Dr. Moreau's rubber mounted engine. Who is going to be the first to go after the
> forks? I see good things ahead for all of us...
>

Well, If I had a newer bike, and more dough, I'd go with Mike (Dualstar) Walburn's upside down
forks and have a machinist work it up for me.  As it is, I think the most cost effective KLR
front end should have progressive springs, race-tech (or other?) cartridge emulators, and a
nice brace.  Mine works PRETTY WELL right now with just progressives, 12.5 weight fork oil,
and a superbrace.  I'll get around to the cart-emu's next downtime I suppose...  Now that the
rear end is so trick!  ;-)

Then, heh, maybe send the engine to Quality R&D, get the frame powdercoated...  rubber mount
the engine and pull out the balancer hardware, etc etc.  Wow, I really need more time and
money  :)
Cheers!
Beez



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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:36:12 -0700
From: Chris Beasley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) (KLR650) Canadian Needles

tom stone wrote:

> I found out the other day that the Canadian spec. 650 has a different jet
> needle than we do in the States.  Does anybody know what the difference is?
> If it has a richer taper, I think it would kill the last little bit of my
> pesky lean surge.  I've shimmed the needle as much as I dare and fiddled
> with the air screw, but it's still not 100%.

Tom, how many thousandths have you shimmed the main, and how far out is your FUEL screw?  Do
you know what main jet the Canuck KLR is running?  ( Anybody, anybody?  Arne? :) )  You'd have
to look at the needles side by side to see if the profile is different...
Some folks have reported good luck with KLX needles and such.  I like the dynojet kit for the
adjustable needle.

Cheers!
Beez



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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:39:20 -0700
From: Chris Beasley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Back from Prudhoe Bay

Stuart Heaslet wrote:

> Just wanted to warn you that the story is coming.  I need a new muffler
> now, because Thumper now sounds like a chirping chicken, a sound that is
> distinctly un-masculine.   Can't see how a real meat-eater could possibly
> stand listening to it for very long.   Cloudhid, I gotta know if the Big
> Gun really works and if it fits Jesse panniers.

Thanks for the story and welcome back Stu!
As for the exhaust, avoid Cobra and Supertrapp, stick with the BG!
And think about selling me your stocker.  I wanna follow in Dr. Moreau's
footsteps and rebuild/reweld one.
Cheers!
Beez



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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 00:19:32 -0700
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Gasket, Drain Plug

> I have the drain plug washers in stock and I think they are about 50 cents
> each.  The new magnetic drain plugs that I have for sale are now coming
with
> a thin o-ring seal and no washer.
>
> Fred

Can you still tighten these down as much as you would normally?  Or would
the crush factor on the o-ring render it useless.

Arne


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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 00:30:58 -0700
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Engine mount bracket question

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Vic DeFilippis <[e-mail]>

>Does the lip of the hook sit up against the engine or away
> from it?

The lip faces in.  It is actually a gucci-nut.  It gets positioned in such
as way as to bind against something solid, allowing you to tighten the bolt.
Because of the tight location you wouldn't be able to get a wrench in there
to hold a nut.

Arne


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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 00:32:25 -0700
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR - Webpage comments requested

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Jasniewicz <[e-mail]>

> Well, I've gone and done it now.  I have to go through practically all my
> files and reorganize because the page is getting tooooo big.

> Arne, remember what I said about planning the site out in the beginning?
;)

Yes I do thanks.  I'm still planning... =^)

Arne



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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 00:54:29 -0700
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) (KLR650) Canadian Needles

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Beasley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) (KLR650) Canadian Needles


>
>
> tom stone wrote:
>
> > I found out the other day that the Canadian spec. 650 has a different
jet
> > needle than we do in the States.  Does anybody know what the difference
>>is?

> Tom, how many thousandths have you shimmed the main, and how far out is
your FUEL screw?  Do
> you know what main jet the Canuck KLR is running?  ( Anybody, anybody?
Arne? :) )

Here I thought you guys were talking about pine trees.

There are four different needle versions:  Canadian; West German; United
States; and Swiss.

I'll scan and send the page to Beez and let him make the interpretation.

Arne



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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 01:17:17 -0700
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) confession - NKLR

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Tobin Lampson <[e-mail]>
To: Arne Larsen <[e-mail]>
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 1999 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: (klr650) confession - NKLR


> Arne undergoing exhaust transformation wrote:
>
> >
> > I felt strangely hollow, and there was no joy...  I had broken a trust
with
> > the collective...
> >
> > Then I started the bike................................  <WICKED,
> > EAR-TO-EAR, BIG-ASS, SHIT EATING GRIN!!!>
> >
> > Strangely, I feel much better now.
> >
> > Arne - and his new fire breathing dragon
>
> Dooooood,
> If the 'dragon' didn't emerge from time to time, then we wouldn't make
> 'good' KLR riders would we? We probably wouldn't even own KLR's and we'd
> spend that time disavowing some part of our natures like: swearing,
> drinking, or procreating.
> I sense 'well being' in the collective cause you are happy.
>
> Ride on you monster you, ride on.........
> Toby

He puts it all into perspective doesn't he... =^)
Thanks "Slide"

Arne


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