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klr650-digest          Sunday, June 20 1999          Volume 02 : Number 529




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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 10:40:39 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR650 petcock modification

In a message dated 6/19/99 11:26:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [e-mail]
writes:

> I like the idea of not having to have a
>  pair of hemostats in order to drain
>  some gas to help a riding buddy.
>  I first learned of the vacuum set up
>  on the the KLR when trying to do
>  just that.  Remember that Redondo?
>  I was perplexed to say the least when
>  I couldn't get a drop of gas out of it.
>  Darrel A12 Avenger
I agree, the bikes I have had in the past that had vacuum petcocks had a
manual reserve (prime) function.  If the vacuum activation didn't work you
could just switch to reserve and fuel would flow.  Also good for just
draining gas when needed.  I checked the archives and found a mention of the
petcock from a Yam RXS 125 that will interchange with the KLR petcock.  I'm
going to do a little salvage yard research next week to see if there is a
more common one that will interchange and will post any info I find.
Kurt Grife

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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 10:21:33 -0500
From: Rappster <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR650 running out of gas

FYI,
As an old pilot I somehow doubt that running out of gas is really as bad as the
mechanic believes.  All carburetor planes are shut down by cutting off the fuel
and letting the system run dry.  I doubt is the "lean period" is long enough to
add any real heat the the engine.

Richard in Missouri

>
> >>
>
> According to my mechanic who builds all forms of race bikes for a living he
> said that the worst thing you could ever do to an engine is run out of gas,
> because what happens in the last few seconds of running out of gas is that
> the engone is running incredibly lean and the piston gets incredibly hot He
> said he has seized bikes or scored pistons running out of gas
> -neil


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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 10:31:48 -0600
From: Jeff <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Guluk to cahrity riders

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>From: "Fred Hink" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: (klr650) Charity Ride

>Maybe you have read about this, but in case you haven't check out this
story
>about a charity ride to South America on KLRs to benefit the Red Cross.

>Check out...
http://www.americanmotor.com/headlines/news/news.cfm?id=750

>Fred

These folks are receiving a support from Saddleman Seats among others we
are familar with.  I am not familar with Saddleman Seats.  Does anyone
out there use one?
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 11:58:57 -0600
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Moosie..thanks Arne...way NKLR

Finally, after three weeks, I just cracked my first Moosehead courtesy of Arne Larsen.
I've dragged my 3 kids for a father's day weekend in Park City and they are gone
getting groceries. Dad just finished Moosie number 1 and is setting the waypoints on
the fridge to gather number 2...wish me luck...here I go...thanks Arne....Ambrosia.

Kurt


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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 14:19:17 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) Moosie..thanks Arne...way NKLR

The Moose is loose! Run for your lives!!
Mark Wilson
www.geocities.com/motorcity/track/6419
http://www.angelfire.com/mo/motormark/index.html
KLR-650 A-13 Warthogg
Stone Mountain, Ga.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Kurt Simpson <[e-mail]>
To: KLR650 <[e-mail]>
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 1999 1:58 PM
Subject: (klr650) Moosie..thanks Arne...way NKLR


> Finally, after three weeks, I just cracked my first Moosehead courtesy of
Arne Larsen.
> I've dragged my 3 kids for a father's day weekend in Park City and they
are gone
> getting groceries. Dad just finished Moosie number 1 and is setting the
waypoints on
> the fridge to gather number 2...wish me luck...here I go...thanks
Arne....Ambrosia.
>
> Kurt
>
>
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http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 11:56:11 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) tank vent

>Jeff, one of those tubes is for if you spill a little gas up
around the top, it
>drains out onto the ground under the bike, not into your crotch.
I think the
>other one is the tank vent, which on your model, I think used to
go to the carbon
>cannister.  You may be the victim of an improper
emissionsectomy.


Thanks, I'll look into it, but its not a CA model, so it never
had the emission stuff and no carbon canister.

Jeff


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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 12:53:19 -0600
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Guluk to cahrity riders

>These folks are receiving a support from Saddleman Seats among others we
>are familar with.  I am not familar with Saddleman Seats.  Does anyone
>out there use one?



Saddleman is a trademark of Travelcade. Gino had one built on his KLR and KLX. Redondo
also had one custom-built at the factory with a tour by the lovely Renee last year.
I'm just guessing here...but I think for the KLR the come in behind the Corbin for
all-purpose, not wide enough...

Kurt


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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 12:02:35 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR650 petcock modification

>According to my mechanic who builds all forms of race bikes for
a living he
>said that the worst thing you could ever do to an engine is run
out of gas,
>because what happens in the last few seconds of running out of
gas is that
>the engone is running incredibly lean and the piston gets
incredibly hot He
>said he has seized bikes or scored pistons running out of gas
>-neil
>
Sure, if you're running the bike at full throttle up near the
redline, like in a race.  What we are talking about here is the
motor just idling, so it will run as long as possible with the
gas in the float bowl so the maximum amount of gas can be
transferred.  No harm done, believe me.  I've run out of gas more
times than I care to remember, and none of my engines were
damaged from it.

Jeff


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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 12:07:32 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Grumpy Mechanics KLR

>Every time I go to my dealer and pick up parts I inevedably ask
him about
>some aftermarket stuff that I am looking for. he always opens
either the
>Tucker Rocky or Farts Unlimited books and says,"if it aint in
there it
>doesent exist" or else its really more expensive than mail
ordering from fred
>or scotts or baja designs. Are  they really that dumb?  So now I
go and find
>that part and bring it to him to install
>and he gets all pissed off that I didn't buy the stuff from him.
> All the Mechanics and dealers are like that here in Jersey.
>
Is this the same guy that says you'll blow your motor up by
running out of gas?  I hate to point out the obvious, but you
could just install your parts yourself and avoid the attitude
altogether.

Jeff


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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 13:20:25 -0600
From: "Skip Faulkner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Wobble and Flex

..........................> snip <.......................
.  I also experienced no noticable
>oscillation or shimmy.
>
>I attribute my pannier racks for helping this matter.  The Hepco Becker
>racks, which Vik had on his bike, are bolted together out of 5 seperate
>pieces.  The racks I made are one solid wrap-around heavy guage steel units
>that are securily mounted to the sub-frame in four places -through the
lower
>rear rack bolt holes, and the top of the passenger footpeg bracket.  I
>believe that the one piece rack design and the four-point mounting system
>lend themselves to helping to stabilize the sub-frame more than a multi
>piece (flexible) pannier rack will.
>
>Arne



That could be a significant factor, as I`m not familiar with the
Hepco-Becker mounts, I didn`t know they were a component set up. The pannier
mounts I have are Tim`s and are also one piece with the rear cross-brace and
also larger diameter tubing than the Touratecs. Definitely a factor.

Skip


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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 05:28:26 +1000
From: Ted Palmer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR650 petcock modification

Jeff & Lisa Walker wrote:
["race mechanic" advice]
> Sure, if you're running the bike at full throttle up near the
> redline, like in a race.  What we are talking about here is the
> motor just idling, so it will run as long as possible with the
> gas in the float bowl so the maximum amount of gas can be
> transferred.  No harm done, believe me.  I've run out of gas more
> times than I care to remember, and none of my engines were
> damaged from it.

Much agreed, and until the engine starts to misfire, how would we
know when to switch to 'reserve'?
Besides, "incredibly lean" mixtures don't fire.
I suspect such doomsaying may apply more to race two-strokes
(especially premix fed) than our plodding four strokes.

I tend to view the advice of so-called "race mechanics" with some
scepticism (which did result in an argument in a shop once).
True race mechs know about motors that are pushed to the limit, and
built and used to last a season or sometimes only one race.
I want my motors to last over 100,000km, which is a whole different
ball game.

Mister_T


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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 12:43:04 -0700
From: Vic DeFilippis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Valve help request

Finally weaseled enough money to buy a torque wrench to check the valve
clearances on my own.  Both intakes were tight and the exhausts were right
at lower end of spec.  But my question is this: I'm having trouble
dislodging the left exhaust cam cap (the one with the oil pipe connected to
the left intake cam cap).  Any suggestions?  Should I avoid trying to pry it
with a screwdriver?

And by the way, I notice in past postings a lot of people have said that
they cannot fit their 3/8" drive torque wrench + 10mm socket onto the cam
bolts because the bike frame gets in the way.  Well, I just purchased a 3/8"
drive 10mm socket and it does barely fit onto all cam bolts.  Thank God for
that because I can't afford 2 torque wrenches!!

Thanks in advance,

- -Vic
(A12)


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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 13:51:05 -0600
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Valve help request

>at lower end of spec.  But my question is this: I'm having trouble
>dislodging the left exhaust cam cap (the one with the oil pipe connected to
>the left intake cam cap).  Any suggestions?  Should I avoid trying to pry it
>with a screwdriver?


no, that's not the answer...try a plastic/rubber mallet sideways, it 's just an oil
kind of vacuum thing...patience..patience..

Kurt


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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 06:07:59 +1000
From: Ted Palmer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) KLR650A1 and Tengai aussie mag tests

Yo List,
I have a couple of tests photocopied out of some old issues of
"Australasian Dirt Bike Magazine". I originally copied them for an
aussie but he hasn't replied to my emails so I'm putting them on offer
to the list instead of binning them.
I bought the mags many years ago when I was considering trading my
600B1 for something bigger.
The 650A1 test is from 1987, and the Tengai test from 1990. The Tengai
test also has some comments comparing the Tengai to the prior 650s.

I'll send the tests to anyone who would be prepared to type them up and
put them up on a website for the benefit of all.
Any takers? Email me off list with a snail mail address.

Here's a couple of teasers.
Tengai engine: "Run it in carefully and change the oil regularly and the
Tengai will give years of flawless reliability."
KLR650: "The few areas we've criticised in no way detract from the
overall ability of this bike to do everything - and more - that its
designers intended. What it does do well, it does outstandingly well.
What it doesn't do well, well, we don't really care."

Mister_T


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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 13:09:40 +0200
From: "Pippo Nicotera" <[e-mail]>
Subject: R: (klr650) European KLR owners?

Hello' K.D. Bailey...

- -----Messaggio Originale-----
Da: K.D. Bailey <[e-mail]>
A: <[e-mail]>
Data invio: domenica 6 giugno 1999 7.10
Oggetto: (klr650) European KLR owners?


> I'm SURE I've seen pictures of European KLR 650s with black rear
> fenders and side panels, but black plastic doesn't seem to be
> available in the US.

I don't believe we, in Italy (Europe???) have black KLR650... but can't
swear on that!

Moreover, don't forget our KLR650 is considerably different from the bike
you get there in the U.S.: it's more similar to a KLX, especially if you
consider the newest versions... don't know if the plastics fit, but even in
case they do, I believe you would change the appearance of the bike.

By the way... I have a '90 KLR 600 ES... and it is BLACK with some clever
silver-blue-pink graphics and stickers... my guess is that only the front
fender would fit a 650!

Ciao, from Pippo in Italy!


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