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klr650-digest          Friday, June 18 1999          Volume 02 : Number 517




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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:42:56 -0700
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) surplus army ammo boxes

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jeff & Lisa Walker <[e-mail]>
To: dan shaw <[e-mail]>; [e-mail]
<[e-mail]>
Date: June 17, 1999 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: (klr650) surplus army ammo boxes


>I have never, ever seen a MILSPEC ammo box made of plastic.  The
>purpose of a steel ammo box is to attempt to contain the blast of
>any rounds inside should they cook off due to extreme heat.

That would really be the shits if your rounds went off in the plastic boxes
while you were out on the trail on your KLR.  Remember to pack your
explosives on the left side of the bike away from the exhaust I guess.
OTOH, exploding rounds should probably not be carried in the cooler luggage
either...

Arne - who trailers his explosives with a blast shield between the trailer
and bike  8^o


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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:36:19 -0700
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Fun with side stand switches..

>     By the way, this is my virgin post (I'm a long time digest mode
>     lurker).  I've just got to give a big "Thanks" for all the helpful
>     discussions in the past.  I could rave on about the list, but not
>     without being repetitive to what everyone else raves about, so "me
>     too!"  And, keep it up (even the dreaded bears, guns, motor oil, gps,
>     camping supplies, the occasional non-p.c. humour and all

Vince!  My, but you have been lurking awhile haven't you. =^)

Arne


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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:54:24 -0700
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Question of the listmaster

I use outlook express (bundled with Win'98) and it has a "reply to author"
button and a "reply to all" button right beside it.  I would not want ALL my
replys/posts to automatically go to the list every time.  That would only
get me in trouble and Kurt would be forced to kick me off =^).

Arne

- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris <[e-mail]>
To: KLR <[e-mail]>
Date: June 17, 1999 12:58 PM
Subject: (klr650) Question of the listmaster


>Whomever runs the list, can you enter a 'replyto:' option to have the
>list send out with a reply-to that is set to
>[e-mail].  It would make it simpler to just click
>send...I keep forgetting and often send the reply direct to the
>sender...most of my many other lists have the list as the replyto.
>
>Visit the KLR650 archives at
http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:11:20 -0700
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Body airbags... NKLR

- -----Original Message-----
From: Vik Banerjee <[e-mail]>
To: Pokluda, Gino F <[e-mail]>; KLR <[e-mail]>
Date: June 17, 1999 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: (klr650) Body airbags... NKLR


>You know how many times I have walked away from my bike with my electric
>vest plugged in???  With an Egg Parka the HD bikers won't have to laugh at
>my KLR they can laugh at my spontaneous inflation...lol....what a
>great/stupid idea...lol...=)
>
>Vik

I think a few of us should put these on, step (straight faced) into a
crowded elevator, then on cue pull the rip cord. LMAO...

Arne


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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:14:51 -0700
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR650 petcock modification

- -----Original Message-----
From: Bill Haycock <[e-mail]>
To: Arne Larsen <[e-mail]>
Cc: KLR LIST <[e-mail]>; Gino Pokluda <[e-mail]>
Date: June 17, 1999 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR650 petcock modification


>
>Arne,
>
>A suitable replacement would be fine as long as it fit exactly the original
>opening in the tank as well as mounting bolts.
>
>Other complications:  Don't know - that is what we need to find out by
trying
>it.  Flooding should not occur if the floats work as they are designed.
>Leaking?  Where?

From the carb if the float doesn't work.

>My Triumph Tiger uses a simple gravity feed petcock and has none of the
>flooding or leaking problems.

Carb or fuely?

Arne

>I don't really know if the petcock has been a problem in the past.  Just
seems
>like a very vulnerable piece that could cause a major break down on the
trail
>if the diaphragm where to tear or crack.
>
>Anyone on the LIST have any problems with this?  Maybe it is not worth the
>effort to solve if it is not a problem to begin with!
>
>Bill
>
>Arne Larsen wrote:
>
>> How about finding a suitable replacement?  I have to wonder though if
this
>> modification would lead to other complications... flooding; leaking;
>> increasing vent size...
>>
>> Have there been any reported problems with the current set-up/diaphram?
>>
>> Arne
>>
>
>


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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:29:15 -0700
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) It's About Time!!

>Is there a recommended way to attach the Kawasaki tail trunk?  It looks
>to me like you could fasten it multiple ways.  Any comments? A close-up
>picture maybe?

Congratulations and to answer you question... yes.  Actually, there is only
one way.  The straps are designed so that the top door of the lid opens away
from you.  Now that you have the front and rear orientation, fasten the rear
straps first by feeding the two long straps, which are mounted in the middle
of the bag, under the front of the rack - beside the seat - as far towards
the back as they will go.  Take care to go above the turn signal wire so as
to not put ant pressure on it.  The two ends will almost reach the back
(underside) if the rack.  Connect the other ends and cinch tight.  Once this
is done, the other two sets of fasteners (set cock-eyed near the front)
attach to the "grab-handle" parts at the front of the rack.

Arne


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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 23:57:21 -0600
From: "Skip Faulkner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) 16t sprocket  Off-road

>We had a variety of sprockets in our group.  Norm was running a 14 tooth,
>Brian and I were the stock 15's, and Vik had a 16.
>
>I felt I could have had a better set-up than the stock, but I would have
>gone the other way with the 14 tooth.  I didn't mind the shifting back and
>forth so much, I just didn't like the fact that I had a neutral between the
>two gears I was going between the most.  The 14T would have put me between
>2nd and 3rd as opposed to 1st and 2nd.  I think with the 16T I would have
>sacrificed too much torque and been slipping the clutch too much.
>
>Arne
>


Arne,
    I had my 15T with me, but decided to try the 16T off-road a little. If I
was going to be doing a couple of days or even one solid day of off-road, I
definitely would prefer the 14T. I was just
showing that just because someone has the 16T on his bike, it shouldn`t stop
him/her from doing a little light exploring. I didn`t experience any clutch
slippage and always had plenty of
torque ( surprised me) but keep in mind that I only weigh 153lbs
but I had a set of panniers and around 20lbs. of gear in them.

Skip


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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 00:12:14 -0600
From: "Skip Faulkner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Rain

>Roscoe, Kurt: me too. I made it all the way from Moab to Monticello before
>my trusty 92 let me down again in the wet.  I believe it is choice number 3
>as I have checked my airfilter (dry), long since bypassed the sidestand
>switch, and notice that if I open the gas tank after being forced to pull
>over that it will start again.
>
>But: where to look and what to look for has me stumped.
>
>Any ideas?



Bruce,
    I drove for two days in hard rain without any problems, but my wife`s
F650 was having fits. She had two problems. One was that water was seeping
through the filler neck flange and blocking the vent orifice. We put tape
over it and it cleared up until we were riding in heavier rain with standing
water on the interstate. This time it was the vent line. I would put a rag
over the open end and blow from the tank side and I was catching water in
the rag. I re-routed her vent line to terminate higher on the bike and put
the end behind her frame. After that, no more problems.
     The reason I relate the situation with her bike is that after the trip
and seeing similar complaints from this List, I looked to see where my vent
line terminated, and was surprised to find that the previous owner ( or
someone else) had virtually done the same thing with my bike. My vent line
has been raised and moved.
From appearances, it looks better protected and apparently works as I have
done a lot of riding in the rain with no problems.
Of course it could have no effect at all.


Skip


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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 00:23:09 -0600
From: "Skip Faulkner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Rain

>
>I first thought that the fuel vent was the culprit on my A12, but I have
since experienced the
>same problem with a tank bag in place.  It get worse as more water lies on
the road.  If I
>pull in the clutch and race the engine a couple of times it gets better for
a mile or so and
>then starts again.  The front tire seems to be throwing it somewhere that
it shouldn't be.
>That's as far as my thinking takes me. (read mechanically challenged).
>
>Bill Wright
>Hotlanta, GA.
>98 KLR650 - "Special K" - 27k miles



Bill,
   It`s not happening from the tank side
( if the vent is the problem) but at the drain end of the vent line.
There is a light vacuum here as air is drawn in to replace the
consumed fuel. If water is indeed being drawn or blocking this end, the
engine will starve for fuel, due to the lock.

Skip


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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 00:52:09 -0600
From: "Fred Hink" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Moto Carrier

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher J Beasley <[e-mail]>
To: Fred Hink <[e-mail]>
Cc: Tom Myers <[e-mail]>; <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 1999 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: (klr650) Moto Carrier


>
>
> Fred Hink wrote:
>
> > It was the input shaft and first gear from a customers TT350.
>
> Input shaft?!?!  Wouldn't it have been countershaft and first?
> Input shaft runs off the flywheel right?  (Havn't been in a trans in a few
years).
>
> b
>
>
>

The input shaft is the one with the clutch on it.

Fred


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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 00:50:02 -0600
From: "Skip Faulkner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) surplus army ammo boxes

>
>
>dan shaw wrote:
>
>> has anyone tried using surplus ammo boxes for panniers? they look like
>> they would work. they come in different sizes, are waterproof and
>> strong.  i think they would work weel, plus they are really cheap at 5
>> to 25 bucks per box. i think they even make lightweight platic ones.
>>
>> also, does tim bernard have a web site, or is there a write up of his
>> racks on the klr web page?
>> thanks
>> dan



Dan,
   I put a pair of 20MM rocket cans on my wife`s F650. These are much
lighter than the 50MM boxes people are used to seeing. They are a little
shorter, but longer than Touratechs. They weigh about 3lbs. a piece more
than Touratecs. Solid, super strong and definitely waterproof. The best
thing was the price, $12 apiece from our local Army-surplus store.

Skip


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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 01:21:58 -0600
From: "Skip Faulkner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) NKlr: engine vibration

>Kurt, you bring up a good point.  I have never considered my 95 KLR650 to
>vibrate obtrusively.  I think a bike's vibration is more personal
preference
>than anything else.  I have only rode a couple of bikes that I thought
>vibrated a lot, but not to the point of being annoying and those would be a
>Yamaha SR500 and H-D 883 Sporty.  I think, simply put, some people are
>unaffected by vibration and other are truly annoyed by it.  I'm one of
those
>people who simply accepts a bike's vibration as part of the package, deal
>with it and enjoy the ride.
>
>Gino


I agree with Gino here, in principal. I personally don`t have a problem with
the KLR`s vibration characteristics, except for the resultant mirror blur,
which is what pushed me to find a cure, although I must admit it was the
challenge, more than anything else. I myself refuse to accept the vibration,
IF there is a practical remedy . I tried everything, including the Honda
mirrors, weights and filling my handlebars, with no satisfaction. In my
experience, the mirror problem was not only an irritant, but dangerous. I do
a lot of riding at night and it`s  very hard to judge traffic and distance
with blurry mirrors. Also, when I would ride with others and leading, I was
never able to see their hand signals or any movements on the bike. Another
factor is that vibration is always detrimental with eventual work hardening
or fatiguing of metal and parts. I know this is not a big factor on most
motorcycles, but is doesn`t help. Plus, I`ve ridden enough bikes over the
years to know that the KLR does have more problem with vibration than a lot
of other singles, especially based on the complaints of the List. I`ll put
it this way: my trip to and from Moab, despite the rain, was one of the most
pleasant and less fatiguing than my previous trips, before I got rid of the
vibration. Vibration, just like wind buffeting and wind noise, is very
fatiguing on a long trip. Also, I bet I won`t have as much of a problem with
fasteners coming loose either.
    Keeping that in mind, don`t believe that the F650 is without vibration.
Unless my wife`s 99` F650 is the exception, it has a good deal of it also,
just different. Most of the F650`s vibration is felt in the foot-pegs and
seat. To be honest, I`d rather have it in the handlebars.
   If the vibration isn`t a problem, that`s great. But if someone IS
sufficiently bothered by it that it ruins their enjoyment of the bike or
numbs their hands, as many complain of, then a solution is worth working
toward, especially since the KLR has so much more to offer. One less
complaint of the bike just makes it that much more desirable to others, and
that much more endearing to those of us that already own one.
    Climbing off the soapbox.

Skip


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