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klr650-digest           Sunday, May 23 1999           Volume 02 : Number 425




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Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 12:32:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Juan Villarreal <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) NKLR: Fix-A-Flat. It worked...No sorta about it

> Basically, if you think of F-A-F as a way to
> get you home (or at least to
> an air-source) then it's a complete success.
> Just don't stop unless you
> have a way to replenish the air.
>
> Tom

I totally agree, though it shouldn't be called
"Fix-A-Flat..."  "Get-You-Home" would probably
leave fewer people disappointed.

Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR
"The Happy Hooligan"

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Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 09:06:59 -0600
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Oil...and Cooler Luggage

I just changed the oil at 700 mile on my A-13 and I tought this might be
>intersting...not to add to the great oil level debate just an
>observation. I changed both the oil and the filter and I measured the
>oil removed and came up with 77oz.( the manual calls for2.6l = 83 oz.
>with a filter change) not accounting for any I spilt when removing the
>filter or any that could still be in the motor. or any the new motor may
>have consumed.I then added 2 quarts and started the motor for a minute
>or so and checked the oil level it was mid way between the two marks. I
>then measured out 19 oz and poured in 9oz and started the motor again
>and checked the level it was right at the upper mark and I still had 10
>oz to add to reach the amount called for in the manual so I poured in
>the 10 oz. and called it good. I know this has caused alot of debate in
>the past but I think what I will do from now on is put the 83 oz in at
>oil changes and if the level drops to the upper mark between changes I
>will add 10 oz. sound reasonable?

exactly my experience on three oil changes, but you won't convince the list.
The entire "Thunder Bus" crew, i.e., Hiro W., John O., Redondo, and Dawn all
have different experiences. I think Skip's experience has been different as
well.

 also just ordered my SU racks today I
>think I will run the "cooler" luggage anyone else tried this set-up out?
>
>Scott Wass


I'm doing a review of them for the next issue of DSN...essentially I have a
month and a 1,000 miles and they work great. I think the neat thing is that
you can buy the kit install them on the SU's for this markie-go-round and
then later buy the Aluminum panniers when you are fully recovered. My bike
fell while changing the front tire and crushed one of the coolers. I'm
writing the manufacturer to see if I can get a new inner liner only.

Kurtg

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Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 20:31:00 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) Where is the water going

My 90 KLR is loosing coolant but has no puddles or weeping, I smell coolant
when I start the engine the first time of the day and there is no sign of
water in the oil, plug looks ok and when I pull the radiator cap off it has
vacum, I'm thinking head gasket any suggestions of other places.

High and Dry
Larry

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Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 17:54:16 -0700
From: Christopher J Beasley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Where is the water going

[e-mail] wrote:

> My 90 KLR is loosing coolant but has no puddles or weeping, I smell coolant
> when I start the engine the first time of the day and there is no sign of
> water in the oil, plug looks ok and when I pull the radiator cap off it has
> vacum, I'm thinking head gasket any suggestions of other places.

I'd agree with the head gasket as a culprit.  Anyone have a good diagnostic
trick besides pressure testing the cooling sys?  Maybe a leakdown test and check
for air in the coolant?
b

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Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 21:01:13 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) Where is the water going

In a message dated 5/22/99 5:33:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> My 90 KLR is loosing coolant but has no puddles or weeping, I smell coolant
>  when I start the engine the first time of the day and there is no sign of
>  water in the oil, plug looks ok and when I pull the radiator cap off it
has
>  vacum, I'm thinking head gasket any suggestions of other places.
I had a tiny pinhole leak in one of my hoses that was just about undetectable
and had me looking for radiator leaks etc.  If you have the original hoses on
a '90 check them carefully before getting into looking at the head gasket.
If you go to a radiator shop they can pressure test your system and help find
the leak.
Kurt Grife

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Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 21:07:47 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) Where is the water going

  Larry's leaking (coolant):
>I'm thinking head gasket any suggestions of other places


If that's not it, maybe it's the vent hose that comes out of the reserve
tank and exits the rear wheel fender, (above the license plate). Is your
coolant level between the marks, or are you one of those who ignores
the manufacturer's recommendations and overfills with fluids...? [eg]

John O.  A10  (who knows how to read between the lines;)

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Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 19:59:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alex Jomarron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Prepping the KLR for Alaska

The work continues.....
Today I relocated and changed the fuses. They now lie under the left side
panel with automotive blade type fuses housed in weather proof holders.
Then I added an electric vest plug. In addition I added two leads with
female plugs from the battery that will allow me to plug in a cigarette
lighter receptacle to run whatever I want. I did this to plug in a trouble
light I bought from Pep Boys. It has a 10' cord to which I'll add an
extension. I'll use it for a reading light in my tent.
I installed the Acerbis rotor guard, changed the oil, and put on new
tires. I installed Kenda 270s with Michelin tubes and Slime. The tubes and
Slime cost nearly as much as the tires! I've heard that these tires last a
long time but handle like hell on the street. I can confirm the latter! I
can feel the bike squirm in the corners. I also locked up the rear tire
trying to stop once already! I hope they last........
Next up is the Scottoiler and the Driveline radiator guard and SU racks.
Once installed I'll mount the aluminum panniers and top box and I believe
the bike will be ready for the Last Frontier!
Previously installed items include: Acerbis Rally guards and spoilers,
throttle lock, plexiglass headlight guard, MSR skid plate, relocated
license plate, & digital clock.

25 days and counting!

Cheers,

===
Alex Jomarron
Oak Park, IL USA
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Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 23:04:05 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) Prepping the KLR for Alaska

In a message dated 5/22/99 8:56:26 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< The work continues.....
 Today I relocated and changed the fuses. They now lie under the left side
 panel with automotive blade type fuses housed in weather proof holders.
 Then I added an electric vest plug. In addition I added two leads with
 female plugs from the battery that will allow me to plug in a cigarette
 lighter receptacle to run whatever I want. I did this to plug in a trouble
 light I bought from Pep Boys. It has a 10' cord to which I'll add an
 extension. I'll use it for a reading light in my tent.  >>


Alex,

souns like you are well on your way to a perfect adventure tourer.  Don't
forget the spare clutch cable routed next to yours.  Make sure your linkage
bolts are nice and tight as well as the two bolts that mount the subframe to
the top tube.  Relocate the license plate too.

Gino

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Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 20:16:41 -0700
From: Brian Bonenfant <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) <KLR> Clicking noise...

Hello all, I have recently picked up a clicking noise in the front end.
It feels like the forks are the culprit, yet the bars are tight the two
triple clamps are tight (anyone have the torque spec.?). When I apply
the brakes hard from a crawl it occurs over and over again - it's very
disturbing because it seems as if the forks are moving ever so slightly,
anyone have or know of this problem and a cure ?
thanks,
Brian
A12CE, 9K

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Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 22:38:32 -0500
From: "Tom Meagher" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR RTV

FWIW, I used "Gask-a-Cinch" on the valve cover for my last two valve
adjustments (well, both were within two days...) a month ago, and it's not
leaking at all (yet, anyway).

Tom Meagher
Houston TX
A13



- -----Original Message-----
From: Jeff & Lisa Walker <[e-mail]>
To: Skip Faulkner <[e-mail]>; KLR650 Page
<[e-mail]>
Date: Saturday, May 22, 1999 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR RTV


>I wish that the manual had a description of the application of
>the RTV.  It specifically calls for it to be applied on the left
>underside of the valve cover gasket, and I guess from the dashed
>line in the picture, they mean a very very thin bead, but that's
>kind of a common sense kind of thing, don't you think?  Well,
>maybe not.  I'm thinking that the next time I check my valves,
>I'll forego the RTV, and check for leakage.  If it leaks, no
>biggie, I'll just pull it and use it as before, a very very thin
>bead, only on the left underside.
>
>Jeff
>
>
>
>>List,
>>   I`m just taking a few minutes from my bike work to once more
>caution that
>>if you feel you just can`t live without RTV as a case or top-end
>sealant,
>>please use very sparingly and carefully. I was just checking my
>valves and
>>when I removed the cam cover, there was RTV beaded on the inside
>of the seam
>>and had come loose in several areas and pieces were down in the
>cam recess.
>>I found a piece lodged in my oil return port also. If you insist
>on using
>>RTV, KEEP THE CRAP OUT OF THE ENGINE ! For your
>>engine`s sake. The guy that did the last valve inspection on
>this bike must
>>have bathed in the stuff.
>>    BTW, almost 7000 miles and not one clearance was larger than
>.008 mm.
>>
>>Skip
>>
>>
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 23:43:57 -0300
From: nbenda <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) two words

wasps suck

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Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 21:33:40 -0700
From: Christopher J Beasley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Prepping the KLR for Alaska

[e-mail] wrote:

> In a message dated 5/22/99 8:56:26 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
> [e-mail] writes:
>
> << The work continues.....
>  Today I relocated and changed the fuses. They now lie under the left side
>  panel with automotive blade type fuses housed in weather proof holders.
>  Then I added an electric vest plug. In addition I added two leads with
>  female plugs from the battery that will allow me to plug in a cigarette
>  lighter receptacle to run whatever I want. I did this to plug in a trouble
>  light I bought from Pep Boys. It has a 10' cord to which I'll add an
>  extension. I'll use it for a reading light in my tent.  >>

Hope you installed the kickstarter kit!  :)     ;-P

>
>
> Alex,
>
> souns like you are well on your way to a perfect adventure tourer.  Don't
> forget the spare clutch cable routed next to yours.  Make sure your linkage
> bolts are nice and tight as well as the two bolts that mount the subframe to
> the top tube.  Relocate the license plate too.
>
> Gino

  Yep, check ALL the major fasteners and torque to spec, add gas, have fun!
b

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Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 21:41:06 -0700
From: Christopher J Beasley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) <KLR> Clicking noise...

Brian Bonenfant wrote:

> Hello all, I have recently picked up a clicking noise in the front end.
> It feels like the forks are the culprit, yet the bars are tight the two
> triple clamps are tight (anyone have the torque spec.?). When I apply
> the brakes hard from a crawl it occurs over and over again - it's very
> disturbing because it seems as if the forks are moving ever so slightly,
> anyone have or know of this problem and a cure ?

Yeah, it's probably your "headset" or steering bearings.  These need to be
adjusted.
Right now they're loose.  You can probably feel this when you transition onto
the brakes
and it goes "klunk".  Put your bike up on a stand or jack it up so the front
wheel is up, bike in gear.  Sit in front of the bike and grab the tire with both
hands.  Push and pull a bit, and see if you can feel the play in the headset
bearings.  If so, this is definitely the problem.

 The trick is to tighten them until this play is gone, but not so much that the
bars won't drop smoothly to either side with a tiny push.

 Take off the top nut in the center of the triple tree, and use a spanner to
adjust the nut under the top triple clamp.  Tighten, check, tighten, check.
When you think you've got it, replace the nut onto the top triple clamp and
torque to spec.  Then RECHECK!  Sometimes torqueing this nut changes things a
hair.  Finally, recheck with the front brakes to make sure the klunk isn't still
there.

Enjoy!
Beez

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Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 21:42:21 -0700
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) two words - two more words (NKLR)

- -----Original Message-----
From: nbenda <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: May 22, 1999 8:54 PM
Subject: (klr650) two words


>wasps suck

full face

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Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 21:42:26 -0700
From: Christopher J Beasley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) two words

Oow!
b


nbenda wrote:

> wasps suck

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Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 22:58:03 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR- Life Brite: additional observations

>> Anyway, whatever the intensity of the light is,
>> regardless of the
>> spectrum, by strobing or flashing it, you've
>> doubled its ability
>> to gain a humans attention...
>
>I thought that was the whole idea...  It seems as
>if this discussion is beginning to chase it's own
>tail!
>
>
I was just pointing out the probably reason why the one lister
posted that they move the Life-Brite equipped bikes to the rear,
I could see how they would be distracting in a group ride.  In
traffic with cagers though, who cares?  Well I can see it now,
road rage, the cager gets mad and loses it because "that bikes
brake light was too intense, and its flashing really annoyed me!"
Screw 'em if they can't take a joke.

Jeff

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Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 01:00:11 -0500
From: David M. King <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) NKLR Warm Weather Jackets

Does anyone have any suggestions for jackets that
work well for warm weather?  It gets up to at least
the 90's F everyday of the summer here.

David M. King

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Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 23:04:45 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Oil...and Cooler Luggage

My cooler saddle bags that I'll put on my SU racks (if they ever
get here, Tim called me and told me about version 4.0, with the
added stiffener and such, and I went for the full meal deal) are
collapsible, so when not in use, they will fold up to the bike,
nice and tight.  I figure to leave them on all the time, and will
have them handy when I need to haul grocieries or my books, or I
can lock my helmet inside one, with a cable lock to the bike
frame.  Once I get it done, I'll send you some scans, Kurt.  BTW,
I have a couple shots of my bike now, on the top of Badger
Mountain overlooking the Columbia River,  I've been meaning to
show off.

Jeff

>I'm doing a review of them for the next issue of
DSN...essentially I have a
>month and a 1,000 miles and they work great. I think the neat
thing is that
>you can buy the kit install them on the SU's for this
markie-go-round and
>then later buy the Aluminum panniers when you are fully
recovered. My bike
>fell while changing the front tire and crushed one of the
coolers. I'm
>writing the manufacturer to see if I can get a new inner liner
only.
>
>Kurtg
>
>
>
>

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