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klr650-digest           Friday, May 21 1999           Volume 02 : Number 422




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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:09:04 -0400
From: "R. Kaub" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR650 + Tilt-a-Rack

<<<<<SNIP>>>>>
>One of the problems I have is the ramp is too slick -- the tire spins if you
>try and drive it up.   What can I bond on to the painted metal for better
>traction?   Is there some kind of friction paint?   Leaving it the way it is
>is not an option...

Steve:
Try the adhesive-backed sandpaper that 3M sells (hardware stores have it)
for traction on stairs and slippery floors.  It comes on a roll and is
available in various widths.
While not cheap, it works.  I have it on my cellar steps and it has saved
my ass countless times when going down the steps with wet feet.
Be sure to thououghly clean the ramp before applying the tape.
Thanks.
Bob Kaub

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:18:29 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) KLR650 + Tilt-a-Rack

Steve,

You could try that stuff they spray in the beds of pickup trucks (the name
escapes me).

Matt Duftler
Tarrytown, NY
A9

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:48:24 -0400
From: Bill Haycock <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Scottoilers

There has been a few posts concerning the Scottoilers as well as two
articles on the Dual Sport Web page - One article is a general run down
of the Scottoiler and how they work.  Another article is one I recently
posted on the Scottoiler installation on the KLR650.

I would like to remind the LIST that our great friend Fred (resident
moto mechanic and dealer) is an authorized Scottoiler dealer.  If you
are planning to purchase a Scottoiler please consider our friend Fred as
your source.

Thanks,

Bill

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:43:59 -0400
From: Bill Haycock <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Towing Service

Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:03:58 -0700
From: Tobin Lampson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) NKLR TOWING

Bill,
        Being Klr wise and tour guide wise I wonder if you might
have an answer to the following......
        It's midnight, your eons from home, touring. Knowing the
invincibility
of the klr, ok, ...a meteorite strikes the right sidecover
of your motor, taking out the trans. Bike stops, everything else is
okay.
        There's no support truck, no friends near,.........who do you
call? Triple A? Do you, or does anyone know of THE BEST mc tow
company? .....why are they best?....how do I reach em?

                Thank You,      Toby Lampson

Toby,

I use the AMA Towing Service.  Can't tell you if they are "Best" or not
as I have never had to use them.  I would think they would be "OK" as
AMA usually only recommends companies they personally check out.

Some thoughts on towing service:

I have often wondered just how well they perform!  Seems to me there
would be times and places where they can't find someone to come out and
help.  I think in that case you find help and then they reimburse you -
not sure - maybe others on the LIST can provide more details - you could
call AMA and find out - please let us know.

Bill

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:35:16 -0600
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR TOWING

>Bill,
> Being Klr wise and tour guide wise I wonder if you might
>have an answer to the following......
> It's midnight, your eons from home, touring. Knowing the invincibility
>of the klr, ok, ...a meteorite strikes the right sidecover
>of your motor, taking out the trans. Bike stops, everything else is
>okay.
> There's no support truck, no friends near,.........who do you
>call? Triple A? Do you, or does anyone know of THE BEST mc tow
>company? .....why are they best?....how do I reach em?
>
> Thank You,      Toby Lampson


I have AAA RV PLUS...it attempts 30 minute service anywhere in the US includes motorcycles,
RV's, trailers, and cars and trucks. Towing is up to 105 miles to destination of your choice
not the nearest service center. I have 4 drivers covered on my plan for $160. For one it is
around $75. Gives you 4 incidents per year per driver and covers you not the vehicle so if you
are with someone and their vehicle breaks down you can help.

Kurt

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:46:57 -0600
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) valves valve VALVES!

Well, it's not a tensioner, which is designed to apply small force over large
distance, it's a slipper which is designed to apply larger force over much
smaller distance.

Beas can you or someone else describe this slipper? I checked the manuals and can't figure it
out and my bike is a late model and doesn't have it (I'm told)...

Kurt

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:53:22 -0600
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) It worked..sorta...NKLR

>What bothered me about the fix-a-flat was how the tire lost pressure so
>quickly all of a sudden after holding up for about 40 minutes of riding.
>That's kinda spooky too me.
>
>Gino


So, bottomline...should I carry and use the stuff on the White Rim if needed?

Kurt

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Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 01:03:18 +1000
From: Ted Palmer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) valves valve VALVES!

Kurt Simpson wrote:
[...]
> Beas can you or someone else describe this slipper? I checked the manuals and can't figure it
> out and my bike is a late model and doesn't have it (I'm told)...

Could this be a piece similar to an unnamed part on page 3-2 of
the base manual. The diagram in the bottom left hand corner that
shows the camchain guides shows a part that could be a slipper that
fits up into the cam cover. This slipper would be used to damp chain
whip between the two sprockets.

Mister_T

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:57:56 -0700
From: Christopher J Beasley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) valves valve VALVES!

Ted Palmer wrote:

> Kurt Simpson wrote:
> [...]
> > Beas can you or someone else describe this slipper? I checked the manuals and can't figure it
> > out and my bike is a late model and doesn't have it (I'm told)...
>
> Could this be a piece similar to an unnamed part on page 3-2 of
> the base manual. The diagram in the bottom left hand corner that
> shows the camchain guides shows a part that could be a slipper that
> fits up into the cam cover. This slipper would be used to damp chain
> whip between the two sprockets.

That's the little bugger!  When you torque the cover bolts, one of the things you are doing is
preloading that "slipper" or "shoe" on to the camchain between the sprockets.
Cheers!
b

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:02:25 -0700
From: Christopher J Beasley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) It worked..sorta...NKLR

Kurt Simpson wrote:

> >What bothered me about the fix-a-flat was how the tire lost pressure so
> >quickly all of a sudden after holding up for about 40 minutes of riding.
> >That's kinda spooky too me.
> >
> >Gino
>
> So, bottomline...should I carry and use the stuff on the White Rim if needed?

Why not use slime?  It seems much more highly regarded than fix-a-flat.
I thought F.A.F was off the market because it was found to be combustable,
possibly even explosive?
b

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:25:00 -0400
From: "WDSRC" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Dual Sport Ride

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Thanks, happy trails!

Robert Frey
WDSRC
"Be Responsible, Be Quiet"
"Only YOU Can Prevent Land Closures"

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:39:16 -0700
From: Tom Myers <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) It worked..sorta

Hi Gino,

Sounds like it worked to me - don't be so hard on it.  Even 19 PSI is
plenty to get you home, and you still could have added air along the way
with a handpump, CO2 or gas station. You coulda gone stopped at a gas
station *first* and pumped it up to 45psi which would have lasted even
longer.

Two likely possibilities for the quick deflation:

1) If you parked the bike, coincidentally "on the nail" or in any way such
that the tire deflection enlarged the hole then the fix-a-flat couldn't
plug it and the air would run out quickly.

2) When moving, the F-A-F is thrown to the outside of the wheel by
centrifugal force, continually supplying the hole, impeding leakage.  But
when you parked, all the F-A-F drained to the bottom, the hole 'ran dry'
then the air came out.

Basically, if you think of F-A-F as a way to get you home (or at least to
an air-source) then it's a complete success.  Just don't stop unless you
have a way to replenish the air.

Tom

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>So the fix-a-flat plugged up the hole in my tire and put in 24psi of
>pressure. I made it home (35 miles) and checked the pressure.  It had dropped
>to 19psi.  I went in the house to take my jacket and helmet of and heard the
>sickening sound of a bike falling over!  Looked out the door and the KLR had
>fallen over.  Picked it up (using the behind the back method) and to my
>amazement, the tire had gone from 19psi to completely flat in about 1 minute!
> The fall over put a nice dimplein my Touratech box, but it needed some
>character anyway.  Nothing a new Dual Sport News decal can't cover.
>
>I don't think I would trust fix-a-flat again.
>
>Gino


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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 12:37:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: dan shaw <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) valves valve VALVES!

klr

- --- Christopher J Beasley <[e-mail]> wrote:

>
> That's the little bugger!  When you torque the cover
> bolts, one of the things you are doing is
> preloading that "slipper" or "shoe" on to the
> camchain between the sprockets.
> Cheers!
> b
>
>

ahhh...so that thing IS the elusive slipper...but i still dont
understand why the balancer spring bolt should be removed when just
inspecting the valves...

dan

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:04:38 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) NKLR

I watched "Captain" Robby Knieval jump some canyon in Arizona last night, but
I have a feeling that the TV audience was scammed; I don't much think that
Robby actually jumped the Grand Canyon of the Colorado River as we were all
led to believe. The Hualapai Indian Reservation where the jump occurred
occupies only the south side of the Grand Canyon; the north side of the Grand
Canyon opposite the reservation is owned entirely by the National Park
Service who refused to led Robby do his jump on any part of park property.
Moreover, the part of the real Grand Canyon that is adjacent to the
reservation is, at every point, FAR wider than the 200 feet that Knieval
jumped.

Don't get me wrong, it was a gutsy stunt nonetheless, and he pulled it off
with everybody watching. But in all probability, the crack in the ground that
he jumped across was some minor side canyon that feeds into the real Grand
Canyon miles away to the north somewhere.

By the way, does anybody know what kind of bike he was using? It was
apparently a fairly powerful 2-stroke of some kind.

Jim Henry, Co-Honcho
Republic Of Texas Biker Rally
Travis County Expo Center in Austin
4-6 June 1999
[e-mail]
972-386-7619 vox/fax        [phone] rally hotline info

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 13:15:53 -0700
From: West Hovland <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR

[e-mail] wrote:

> I watched "Captain" Robby Knieval jump some canyon in Arizona last night,

> By the way, does anybody know what kind of bike he was using? It was
> apparently a fairly powerful 2-stroke of some kind.

I believe it was a "lightly" modified KLR 650 with blinkers removed to save
weight. :)

West.

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:20:39 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) It worked..sorta...NKLR

In a message dated 5/21/99 8:52:52 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< So, bottomline...should I carry and use the stuff on the White Rim if
needed? >>

No.  I think a slimed tube and a spare tube ar the way to go.

Gino

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:22:27 -0600
From: "Vik Banerjee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Misc KLR Points

Hi all,

Here are some random thoughts that haven't seemed worth a post alone:

Touratech IMO Bike Computer:  Installed this a nearly two weeks ago.  Works
great and will be a definite addition to any future DP bikes I buy.  Its
weird having so much info at your finger tips, but in a good way.  The cost
is not insignificant, but considering the other items we spend money on for
our KLRs and their relative usefulness - its a good investment and will
outlast your KLR.  I am putting together a comprehensive review and some
installation tips - should be done a week or so after Moab.

Touratech Dual Headlights:  I installed a set of Touratech dual headlights
on my KLR.  They look pretty sweet and dual 65W high beams is a lot nicer
than my old single 100W high beam.  Also losing one light isn't that
critical.  I have set them up so one light runs on low beam and both do on
high beam.  When I get back from Moab I'll mess around with the wiring and
some relays so I can use all the possible configurations.  I may go to a
55/65W main light and a 80/100W secondary light.

Progressive Springs:  wow - wow - wow.  I should have done this months ago.
They make the front end handle like a motorcycle.

Touratech Roadbook:  I installed a manual Touratech roadbook.   Basically a
waterproof roll of paper you can write notes to yourself about the route and
advance or reverse using two knobs.  Very cool.  I can put down all kinds of
info about my trip and get at it on the move.

Cycoactive Barpack:  another sweet and simple add-on.  Puts the map where
you can actually see it - what a concept.  Won't work with a tank bag, but
it will be on my bike in Moab for sure.

Conti TKC 80's:  Just getting a set installed for Moab.  Their offroad
performance in sand and loose dirt seems pretty solid by all accounts.  I
have heard good things about their mileage on paved roads, but only one way
to find out - 4400kms to Moab and back.

Scottoiler:  Installed and working.  Not much else to say and from this type
of product I think that's the best recommendation.  We will see how it deals
with the trip to Moab and back.  If it works well I'll score one for my GS.

Hepco & Becker pannier mounts:  I tested the bike out today on a 100km ride
fully loaded - seems good.  I seem to have forgotten to bolt down one
support yet it didn't cause any short term problems.  Another item that will
get tested on the Moab trip.

Nothing else springs to mind.

Cheers,

Vik

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:29:16 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) It worked..sorta...NKLR

In a message dated 5/21/99 12:02:09 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Why not use slime?  It seems much more highly regarded than fix-a-flat.
 I thought F.A.F was off the market because it was found to be combustable,
 possibly even explosive? >>


I agree.  I did not slime these tubes for some reason and got stuck with a
flat, so I went the fix-a-flat route.  Next time I slime.

Gino

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 13:33:28 -0700
From: Jean Philippe Bagel <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Any comment on the IRC GP110 tire?

The Dunlop I was suppsed to get yesterday is the D 604 model, and it is just
too street looking. I found out about the IRC one today? Any listers run
this?

- -JP

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:33:25 -0600
From: "Vik Banerjee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) It worked..sorta...NKLR

>I agree.  I did not slime these tubes for some reason and got stuck with a
>flat, so I went the fix-a-flat route.  Next time I slime.



I am not sure slime is the answer frankly.  I have used slime for my mtn
bikes and the only place it really was worth it was in Sedona, AZ.

Slime has a limited lifespan and will lose effectiveness after some time, it
will also not work on all punctures.  So you can end up with a tube that
won't hold air and that you can't patch in the field easily.

If I was riding in the desert with a lot of thorny plants or had other
reasons to expect regular flats I'd go the slime route.  If I was expecting
one flat a year or less I'd just pack a beer or two to make patching the
tube less tedious and accept that as part of riding.

Just my thoughts YMMV,

Cheers,

Vik

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