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klr650-digest         Tuesday, April 27 1999         Volume 02 : Number 333




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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:26:21 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) toolkit

>Where does the toolkit go? I just bought a 88 and the previous
just gave
>me the tool kit. I did not even think to ask "Where does it fit
on the
>bike". Can't be that hard to find. Well.........
>

There is a well on the back luggage rack on the back fender that
should have a black nylon strap.  The tool kit should fit in
there, and the strap secures it in.

Jeff

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:28:21 -0600
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Dual Star Centerstand...

+AD4-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:48:55 -0700
+AD4-To: klr650+AEA-lists.xmission.com
+AD4-From: Scott Baysinger +ADw-sdbaysin+AEA-mail1.jpl.nasa.gov+AD4-
+AD4-Subject: Dual Star centerstand
+AD4-
+AD4-I am thinking of buying the above mentioned stand for my KLR 650.  I would
+AD4-like very much to see one of these installations before committing.  Would
+AD4-any of you in the L.A. Area be so kind as to show me your bike?  We could
+AD4-meet for coffee and talk KLR's.
+AD4-
+AD4-Scott Baysinger
+AD4-[phone]
+AD4-
+AD4-
+AD4-
+AD4-

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:31:45 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) First oil change

>Anyway, I guess my point is, that no one has reported an oil
related
>malfunction from using the listed amount or going by the sight
window.
>So use whichever makes you happy.  But do remember that KHI says
sight
>window.  :-)
>
>David M. King
>

Funny thing is, when I drain my oil completely, and use a new
filter, after I add oil up to the sight window I use about
2.2-2.3 liters of oil.  After running the motor, letting it warm
up, shutting it off and letting the oil settle, The oil level is
right at the top of the window, maybe a hair above.  I say if you
change your oil, put in the full 2.5 liters, in between oil
changes, maintain the oil to the top of the glass.


Jeff

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:32:49 +0000
From: Sarah Barwig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Dual Star Centerstand...

I'd like to see one of those center stands, too. I live in the LA area, maybe I
could join you in your mission. Mebbe Redondo Ron has one? Anyone else local on
list with a center stand?

Sarah


Kurt Simpson wrote:

> +AD4-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:48:55 -0700
> +AD4-To: klr650+AEA-lists.xmission.com
> +AD4-From: Scott Baysinger +ADw-sdbaysin+AEA-mail1.jpl.nasa.gov+AD4-
> +AD4-Subject: Dual Star centerstand
> +AD4-
> +AD4-I am thinking of buying the above mentioned stand for my KLR 650.  I would
> +AD4-like very much to see one of these installations before committing.  Would
> +AD4-any of you in the L.A. Area be so kind as to show me your bike?  We could
> +AD4-meet for coffee and talk KLR's.
> +AD4-
> +AD4-Scott Baysinger
> +AD4-[phone]
> +AD4-
> +AD4-
> +AD4-
> +AD4-

- --
Sarah Barwig
Developer
WeddingChannel.com
[phone]
888 S. Figueroa St., Suite 700
Los Angeles, CA, 90017

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:34:33 -0700
From: Bill Bollenbacher <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Newby

Howdy,


  I just got my '99 KLR650 yesterday; traded in a '99 Vulcan 750

that was peeing coolant across the garage from a cylinder gasket

leak (but that's another story).  I'm interested in connecting up

with other dual sport riders in San Diego and have subscribed to

this mailing list also.  Any info on contact points in my area

would be appreciated.


Looking forward to getting my tires muddy and connecting with

other <italic>dual-sport</italic> souls.



   Ride safely, Bill


Bill <italic>Backroads</italic> Bollenbacher

San Diego, CA

[e-mail] (wk)

[e-mail] (hm)

'99 KLR650

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:39:55 -0600
From: "Pokluda, Gino F" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) (klr) Where is the soul in YOUR KLR?

>>Speaking of character, Gino, tell me about your paint job on your
tank.  Did you have that done, or did it come that way?  I'm not
sure about what year your bike is, and the paint schemes for each
year, but I noticed that all of your plastic is white.  Anyway, I
like it.<<

My KLR is a 1995.  The plastic is from an 87 that was being parted out.  The
tank is the '95 tank after liberals amounts of Zip Strip was applied to get
rid of the decals and turqua color.  The I sprayed in my garage with a coupe
cans of glass black Krylon.  The checkered stripe is actually individual
squares and strips of exterior grade vinyl sign material applied to the tank
and cowlings.

Thanks for the compliment.

Gino

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:50:06 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Helicoils and such

>OK - thanks to all who responded to my panicked post about the
valve cover
>threads. There seems to be a near-universal concensus that
helicoils (or
>similar thread inserts) are the smart move. I called a
(relatively)  nearby
>service shop, and the mechanic told me he uses something called
"timeserts"
>and that they require drilling out "to the next bolt size". The
example he
>gave was for 6mm threads, the hole would be drilled to 8 mm. He
likes them
>better than helicoils, but it sounds to me like maybe they
require removing
>too much original material.
>
If you think about the geometry, to go from a 6mm bolt to an 8mm
bolt means that only 1mm of metal was removed from around the
bolt hole.  If we were talking about head bolts, then you worry
about how much metal you drill out, so if that helicoil pulls out
you can put in a larger one.  But we are talking about the valve
cover here, and the bolts aren't under that much tension, and I
wouldn't think that the new helicoils would ever pull out here.

Jeff

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:06:25 -0500
From: Alan Henderson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Nuts!

At 06:54 AM 4/27/99 -0400, you wrote:
>This is something I learned in my dirt racing days.....
>
>ALWAYS leave the stem sticking STRAIGHT up through the rim with NO nuts.
>Monitor the angle of the valve stem in relation to the rim, if it starts
>to lean, your tire is moving on the rim. If you mount the stem in the
>rim as if it was a rimlock, if the tire slips far enough on the rim, you
>have an unrepairable tube on your hands out on the trail. I welcome
>dissenting opinions.
>
>                    Todd    A11
>                        Back to lurk

I agree! This has been a very long standing recomendation for dirt riding.
Alan Henderson, Iowa A13
>

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:59:33 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Budget swingarm lift - endorsement

>Hey!
>I just built a set of the "Budget Swingarm lifts" detailed in
the archives. Neat, simple, >cheap and sooo easy to use! I put
some rubber on the top of the posts to protect the >swingarm and
to provide a bit more friction. My only comment would be that
there >would be a benefit from making the "tails" of the
horizontal parts a little longer. When >I drilled for the
recommended dowel, the hole was too close to the wheel, and
>wouldn't go in. All-in-all, a handy tool for only the cost of 4'
of 2 x 4, some glue and a >few screws! Thanks to Mike LeMasters
for sharing his buddy Bruce Knudtson's idea!
>
>Don Roger

I whole heartedly agree.  I made mine last year, and have used
them every time I lubed my chain.  They just kick around my
garage in the mean while.  I never did drill out for the PVC
dowel, and never had a problem with stability.  So for the cost
of a 2x4 that was kicking around my garage doing nothing, and the
cost of a couple of screws that I had, and about 10 minutes worth
of time to build them, they have been a great investment.

Jeff

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:11:41 -0500
From: Alan Henderson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) toolkit

>
>Also, this past weekend when I was checking/cleaning/lubricating the
>bike a black rubber thingmagig fell on the ground. It's about 4 inches
>long with a 1 inch loop on one end and a 1 inch slot on the other end.
>Any ideas???
>

Oh no! Your bikes soul just fell out. :)     Alan Henderson

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:08:19 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Nuts!

>At 06:54 AM 4/27/99 -0400, you wrote:
>>This is something I learned in my dirt racing days.....
>>
>>ALWAYS leave the stem sticking STRAIGHT up through the rim with
NO nuts.
>>Monitor the angle of the valve stem in relation to the rim, if
it starts
>>to lean, your tire is moving on the rim. If you mount the stem
in the
>>rim as if it was a rimlock, if the tire slips far enough on the
rim, you
>>have an unrepairable tube on your hands out on the trail. I
welcome
>>dissenting opinions.
>>
>> Todd    A11
>> Back to lurk
>
>I agree! This has been a very long standing recomendation for
dirt riding.
>Alan Henderson, Iowa A13
>>
>


My dirt bikes have all had rim locks on the wheels.  I always put
the nut on the on the stem, and I remember some of my bikes had a
rubber washer that went under the stem nut, to seal out the mud
and sand.

Jeff

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:27:37 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) Newby

In a message dated 4/27/99 2:34:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< I just got my '99 KLR650 yesterday; traded in a '99 Vulcan 750
that was peeing coolant across the garage from a cylinder gasket
leak (but that's another story). >>

Welcome to the list, and congrats on the new KLR. Your gonna have a blast on
your new Thumper! By all means check out the website at dualsport.org, and go
into the KLR section; it has a searchable archive where you can find out
anything and everything about your new bike. Soon you will probably give in
to the uncontrolable desire to start making upgrades and additions to your
KLR. The websitte has great suggestions for that as well...but feel free to
ask any questions, cuz' somebody surely knows the answer around here no
matter what it is....

Bill S.
A12 "Moose"
Montgomery, IL.

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:30:09 -0600
From: " Skip Faulkner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) First oil change

>> True.  The sump capacity would not increase.  But as the Base (KLR600)
>> Manual instructs you to put in 1.7 L w/o filter change, and 2.0 L when
the
>> oil filter is removed (as opposed to the KLR650 Supplement, which
requires
>> 2.2L and 2.5 L, respectively), I would say that the larger displacement
is
>> what accounts for some engineer recommending this revision to the manual.
>>
>>
>      OK.....well, that might be it then.  Looks like I was missing this
bit
>of essential information. This is probably what was discussed before and
>this is what I get for taking a shot in the dark.  Stick my neck out too
>far, get cut.  It may also be possible that the manual has a misprint. Now
>this means I can ask better informed questions of KHI.
>
>eric



Eric,
  I asked Kawasaki about this and they say the window is correct for
the KLR650.


Skip

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:56:24 -0700
From: "Robert Morgan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Dual Star Centerstand...

I got one.  I'm in north San Diego county though.  You are welcome by and
check it out.  I don't have any plans to be in L.A. on 2 wheels in the next
few months.  I love the stand.  The last time I saw Redondo's Ride it had no
stand but you never know what he has been up to.  He's been quiet as of
late.
Morgan
Carlsbad
Ca.

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:42:13 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) Gripster Tubeless/Tube......

I know we've discussed this before in the past year, but I looked through 66
posts in the KLRchives, and didn't see the answer. Are those of us running
Gripsters running the tube or tubeless type? And, is there any reason why I
should pay the extra and go with the tubeless version? I see that in the D.K.
catalog, they are asking $9.00 more for the tubeless back, and $6.00 more for
the tubeless front; for a total of $15.00 extra to go with tubeless. I know
somebody talked about this just a few weeks ago, but couldn't find the
posts....

Bill S.
A12 "Moose"
Montgomery, IL.

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:58:34 -0700
From: "Vik Banerjee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Gripster Tubeless/Tube......

They are the same tire...the only difference is one has tube stamped on it
the other has tubeless......no other differences.

Cheers,

Vik

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 6:01 PM
Subject: (klr650) Gripster Tubeless/Tube......


>I know we've discussed this before in the past year, but I looked through
66
>posts in the KLRchives, and didn't see the answer. Are those of us running
>Gripsters running the tube or tubeless type? And, is there any reason why I
>should pay the extra and go with the tubeless version? I see that in the
D.K.
>catalog, they are asking $9.00 more for the tubeless back, and $6.00 more
for
>the tubeless front; for a total of $15.00 extra to go with tubeless. I know
>somebody talked about this just a few weeks ago, but couldn't find the
>posts....
>
>Bill S.
>A12 "Moose"
>Montgomery, IL.
>
>

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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 01:35:17 +0000
From: Sarah Barwig <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) NKLR anyone know eudora?

How does one send not html mail with eudora? Is this a setting that has
to be universal for all email? Or can it be chosen for individual email?
seeing as it's something listers need to do/be aware of, I thought I'd
ask...

Sarah

- --
Sarah Barwig
Developer
WeddingChannel.com
[phone]
888 S. Figueroa St., Suite 700
Los Angeles, CA, 90017

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:26:24 +0000
From: Jeffrey Doyle <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Singing in my helmet

Going down the road feelin bad.....don't want a pickle.....just want to
ride my motorcycl.....no chance anybody will dispute my ability to sing
out here......helmet's starting to fog up....gotta open the lid a crack
and brave the cold.  Hope there's no tractor trailer truck retreads
scattered on I-95 tonight.  Might not be able to see 'em in time to go
round with all that glaring south bound traffic light in my
shield....think I'll flash that passing trucker back into the right lane
and move in closer to the draft to keep warm for a while.........

Just another ride story.

Jeff
A2
AMA

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:48:38 +0000
From: Jeffrey Doyle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Oil consumption, the sequal

Jeff & Lisa Walker wrote:
>
> >The bike I observed the oil consumption problem on was an XR600
> with about
> >35,000 miles.  If I just added oil, it ate it up.  If I changed
> the oil, it
> >stopped eating it.  I realize that you are changing it
> "incrementally" but
> >my suggestion was to try changing all of it at once and see if
> it makes a
> >difference.
> >
> >Your rate of consumption sounds horrendous but I'd still try
> fresh oil, and
> >due to the age of the bike I'd suggest 30, 20/50 or 40wt.  I'd
> hate to do a
> >teardown at the beginning of the season too.  January would have
> been
> >better!
> >
> I've owned the bike just over a year, ridden it over 3000 miles,
> and have changed the oil ten times now, in addition to adding oil
> to keep the level up, so I already know that this doesn't solve
> the problem.  I've already been running 20/50.  Thanks for the
> effort though.
>
> Jeff

Are you loosing any power (as in a compression loss from worn rings)
going up hills or under load that you notice?  Is there a washer on your
oil drain plug that would help seal any leaks while under way?  Does the
spark plug look sooty?  Countershaft sprocket (front)seal OK?  If you
don't see any visible blue smoke (especially on start up) then you're
pushing it out somewhere if it's disappearing at the rate you are
talking.

I use a little oil and get the light carbon residue on my back fender
near the exhaust but don't seem to be loosing at any measurable rate.
If I push the bike hard for extended periods on an interstate I will
need to keep an eye on the site glass but not necessarily add any oil
right away.

Jeff
A2
AMA

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