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Subject: klr650-digest V2 #331
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klr650-digest Tuesday, April 27 1999 Volume 02 : Number 331
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 00:35:06 -0700
From: "e. rhoads" <eroads@teleport.com>
Subject: Re: (klr650) First oil change
> >
> True. The sump capacity would not increase. But as the Base (KLR600)
> Manual instructs you to put in 1.7 L w/o filter change, and 2.0 L when the
> oil filter is removed (as opposed to the KLR650 Supplement, which requires
> 2.2L and 2.5 L, respectively), I would say that the larger displacement is
> what accounts for some engineer recommending this revision to the manual.
>
>
OK.....well, that might be it then. Looks like I was missing this bit
of essential information. This is probably what was discussed before and
this is what I get for taking a shot in the dark. Stick my neck out too
far, get cut. It may also be possible that the manual has a misprint. Now
this means I can ask better informed questions of KHI.
eric
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:49:20 EDT
From: K650dsn@aol.com
Subject: Re: (klr650) (klr) Where is the soul in YOUR KLR?
In a message dated 4/26/99 3:09:55 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
Brian.Berlin@ANICO.com writes:
<< But what I'd
like to ask the list is "Does your bike have a soul?" and "If so, where does
the soul of your bike reside?" >>
I don't know if any of my bikes have a soul, but they sure have character. A
motorcycle has to have its character developed by the owner. The more you
ride it, the more you modify it, the more time you spend with it, the more
character it gets.
Gino
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 04:53:11 -0400
From: motormark@mindspring.com
Subject: (klr650) NKLR I dont know about soul,
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prozak. I have to take care of my bike, and it takes care of me.. :o}
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 06:15:42 EDT
From: LPetty4585@aol.com
Subject: Re: (klr650) Progressives and Oil Level
In a message dated 4/27/99 4:05:08 AM !!!First Boot!!!, jlwalk@prodigy.net
writes:
<< Well, one difference is this. If you have to use force to
compress the spring to get the end cap on you are running the
risk of cross threading the cap. >>
If you lift the frontend off of the ground there is little resistance, I run
the stock spacers and am in between you two as far as weight (geez) but I
trail ride mostly and like the extra margin for ground clearance as we
compress the spring quite a bit when we sit on the bike.
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 06:54:04 -0400
From: Todd Emsley <temsley@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Nuts!
This is something I learned in my dirt racing days.....
ALWAYS leave the stem sticking STRAIGHT up through the rim with NO nuts.
Monitor the angle of the valve stem in relation to the rim, if it starts
to lean, your tire is moving on the rim. If you mount the stem in the
rim as if it was a rimlock, if the tire slips far enough on the rim, you
have an unrepairable tube on your hands out on the trail. I welcome
dissenting opinions.
Todd A11
Back to lurk
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 06:48:25 -0700
From: MM <magier@bentonrea.com>
Subject: (klr650) Helicoils and such
OK - thanks to all who responded to my panicked post about the valve cover
threads. There seems to be a near-universal concensus that helicoils (or
similar thread inserts) are the smart move. I called a (relatively) nearby
service shop, and the mechanic told me he uses something called "timeserts"
and that they require drilling out "to the next bolt size". The example he
gave was for 6mm threads, the hole would be drilled to 8 mm. He likes them
better than helicoils, but it sounds to me like maybe they require removing
too much original material.
Anyone have any experience with this insert? Am I being too paranoid? He
says the insert costs about $8, and that replacement of all 4 (starting with
bike fully assembled) would take about 2 hours and cost $80-100. I was with
him all the way until he mentioned that valve cover removal requires
draining the cooling system because "there's a downtube right in the middle
of the valve cover". I told him I didn't need to touch the cooling system
and he asked what year my KLR was. When I informed him it was a 98, he said
"must be a change - I haven't worked on anything newer than 96". All this is
making me a little nervous. After all, we're talking about letting a total
stranger perform surgery on my beloved GroundHog.
What do you all think? Is this guy to be trusted? Are Timeserts OK? Should I
look elsewhere?
Mike Magier
98 KLR650 GroundHog
99ST1100 (no name yet . . .)
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:20:25 -0400
From: Tom Simpson <bullet45@usit.net>
Subject: (klr650) Speaking of a bike's character...
...I removed the windshield from my KLR for summer riding around town the
other day. Man, talk about a change of character! Instead of a tall,
stately, almost Goldwingish touring machine, my KLR was suddenly
transformed into a raging bull of a hooligan bike, wanting to barrel around
corners, drag pegs , pop wheelies (but I wouldnt *quite* let it indulge
itself that much :) and just generaly raise hell.
Amazing what difference a couple of pounds of Lexan can make...
- -Tom
'96 KLR 650
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:10:02 -0400
From: MRatta@ADE.com
Subject: (klr650) NKLR Used boots?
I got an email from a lister a week or two ago selling some sidi trials
boots, but I've lost the email. Can you please email me off list?
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:42:20 -0400
From: Mark <mjv2@psu.edu>
Subject: Re: (klr650) (NKLR) Where is the soul in YOUR KLR?
>> >>I think the bikes soul resides in the rider, as the
>> >>biological extension to the bike but that has to be my
>> >>default response. :)
>> >>===
>> >>Rev. Chuck
>> >>'99 KLR651
>> >I agree with the "Rev". The bike is only as good or bad as the rider and
>> >functions as an extension thereof...
I'm with the Rev too. Non-living things such as bikes and cars, etc, are an
extension of the owner's personality, a partial expression of his soul. So,
the soul in my KLR is ON my KLR
Mark
B2
A2
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:37:58 -0400
From: "Anton Perdices" <perdicea@nortelnetworks.com>
Subject: (klr650) Hello
I recently purchased a 93 KLR650 with only 1500 miles. It is pretty much
brand new and love the bike dearly. My question is, are there any known
problems that I shopuld know about the bike, particularly the model year
that I can take care of now to greatly improve the life of the bike. I have
seen previous posts on jet kits etc but would like to keep the bike as stock
as possible. Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Anton Perdices
Specialist, Corporate Services
Informations Services
Nortel Networks
telehone: 954 851-8753 (ESN 228) fax: 954 851-8499 (ESN 228)
e-mail: perdicea@nortelnetworks.com
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:55:02 -0400
From: Mark <mjv2@psu.edu>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Helicoils and such
Mike,
I have no experience with any of the mentioned re-threading techniques.
However, I would recommend doing it yourself. Care and patience will insure
that the job is done right AND you'll gain the satisfaction of knowing it
was done right and that you saved money.
Besides, you know how to take to valve cover off; your mechanic doesn't
seem to. This guy doesn't have a clue as '87s-'99s are all the same in this
area.
Mark
B2
A2
Mike Magier wrote:
> Am I being too paranoid? He
>says the insert costs about $8, and that replacement of all 4 (starting with
>bike fully assembled) would take about 2 hours and cost $80-100. I was with
>him all the way until he mentioned that valve cover removal requires
>draining the cooling system because "there's a downtube right in the middle
>of the valve cover". I told him I didn't need to touch the cooling system
>and he asked what year my KLR was. When I informed him it was a 98, he said
>"must be a change - I haven't worked on anything newer than 96". All this is
>making me a little nervous. After all, we're talking about letting a total
>stranger perform surgery on my beloved GroundHog.
>What do you all think? Is this guy to be trusted? Are Timeserts OK? Should I
>look elsewhere?
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 99 11:00:48 Pacific Daylight Time
From: JAMES RUGGLES <j.ruggles@gte.net>
Subject: (klr650) "Character of bike"
My '95 KLR' has the character of a slut! so I named her "lily Von Stuck", every time I climb on her
she talk's dirty to me { I love that} she say's go ahead make an ass out of your self,do a wheelie, pass
that slow car, blow that ha ha Harly off !!!!!!
98 Bandit 1200
95 KLR {best of the bunch}
89 GB 500
88 NX 650 Jim Ruggles
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:06:58 -0500
From: "Polston, Doug" <PolstonD@barton.cc.ks.us>
Subject: (klr650) toolkit
Stupid question.
Where does the toolkit go? I just bought a 88 and the previous just gave
me the tool kit. I did not even think to ask "Where does it fit on the
bike". Can't be that hard to find. Well.........
Also, this past weekend when I was checking/cleaning/lubricating the
bike a black rubber thingmagig fell on the ground. It's about 4 inches
long with a 1 inch loop on one end and a 1 inch slot on the other end.
Any ideas???
Doug
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:33:43 -0500
From: David M. King <dking-klr@on-tv.com>
Subject: Re: (klr650) First oil change
Arne wrote:
> I put back an even 2.5 litres which, after running it in and allowing it
> to settle completely, covers the sight window. So I concur; The sight window
> is in the wrong place. My theory is that it was never moved after the
> engine was enlarged from the previous 600cc, to its current 650cc
> displacement.
This is one of those recurring issues on the list. Early last year, I E-mailed
Kawasaki directly and asked them whether to go by the amount listed in the
manual or go by the sight window. Their answer was to always go by the sight
window. Unfortunately I didn't save the E-mail or I would repost it. It may
be floating around in one of the archives.
Anyway, I guess my point is, that no one has reported an oil related
malfunction from using the listed amount or going by the sight window.
So use whichever makes you happy. But do remember that KHI says sight
window. :-)
David M. King
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:10:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: dan shaw <dan_iss@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: (klr650) toolkit
hey doug!
the tool kit goes in the little compartment behind the seat on the
luggage rack.
i think the little rubber part that fell off your bike is used to hold
overflow hoses down from the carb and fuel tank to area in front of the
rear wheel.
so how do you like the bike? ive got a 89 klr. i like the color on the
older ones better. ok take care!
dan
- --- "Polston, Doug" <PolstonD@barton.cc.ks.us> wrote:
> Stupid question.
>
> Where does the toolkit go? I just bought a 88 and
> the previous just gave
> me the tool kit. I did not even think to ask "Where
> does it fit on the
> bike". Can't be that hard to find. Well.........
>
> Also, this past weekend when I was
> checking/cleaning/lubricating the
> bike a black rubber thingmagig fell on the ground.
> It's about 4 inches
> long with a 1 inch loop on one end and a 1 inch slot
> on the other end.
> Any ideas???
>
>
> Doug
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:10:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rex Hefferan <rhefferan@yahoo.com>
Subject: (klr650) Re: First oil change
Arne wrote,
>>If you bored out your V-8 car engine to
>>increase displacement by 50% would you then add 50% more oil?
>>That is, would you go higher on the dip stick?
>No. I would install a deeper oil pan, larger filter, and possibly a
>high-volume/pressure oil pump. I would then add the appropriate
>amount of oil and re-calibrate the dip-stick.
(My effort to clarify) As I understand it, a dipstick is
referencing a fixed position for oil level and the upper level should
not change with the mentioned modifications or any others. If you
were to have a deeper oil pan and extend the oil pick-up deeper you
could have a longer dipstick and a bigger "window" between upper and
lower safe levels. Such is also the concept of the sight glass, upper
and lower safe operating levels. More oil capacity is better for a
number of reasons, but exceeding the upper level is asking for
problems like seal leaks and even loss of pressure due to foaming. Am
I right?
===
Rex, A7
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:25:13 PDT
From: "cosmo bojinski" <cosmo_bojinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: (klr650) soul/character
Well I'm not sure where the "soul" of my klr resides, but I do
remember my first ride on it. I was instantly transported back to
1970, riding my buddy's bsa 441 victor special. Man I lusted after
that bike. I had the 250 bsa which I loved (you never forget your
first)but it lacked that lugging, chugging powerful thumper feeling of
the 441.Maybe my klr posesses the soul of a thumper from days gone
by.Hey I'm creeping myself out..Now,if your klr could be a tree what
kind of tree would it be?...:)just kidding..thanks for letting me
ramble...cosmo
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:55:33 -0600
From: "Fred Hink" <moabmc@lasal.net>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Progressives
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From: Chalz Milliken <Chalz@ma.ultranet.com>
To: <klr650@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Monday, April 26, 1999 12:01 PM
Subject: RE: (klr650) Progressives
>>I just put Progressive Suspension in my 99 KLR650 this weekend. The part
number on the list is old. There is a new one that I don't remember right
now. I think it's 11-1115.<<
I checked on this "new" part number and it is 1151. It has the same spring
rate and length as the old number. Not sure what the difference is. I got
the last six that White Bros. had of the old number at the old price. The
new number is going to be $7 more, maybe this is why they made a new number
to be able to charge more.
The black low fenders are finally going to be shipped to me. I should have
them in a few days.
Fred Hink
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