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klr650-digest        Wednesday, April 21 1999        Volume 02 : Number 305




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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:11:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alex Jomarron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) CO HS shooting (NKLR)

I teach in a high school in the Chicago suburbs.
The mood here today is, understandably, quite subdued.
As isolated and infrequent as these events seem, something is wrong, very
very wrong.....

AJ

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:20:35 -0500
From: "Bixby, Jeff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) (NKLR)deer whistle

I have read reports in Consumer Reports stating that they are totally
ineffective. OTOH, I was riding with a friend of mine that had some mounted
and we came upon some deer that were 1/4 ahead of us that all of a sudden
turned tail and took off in the opposite direction. I claim that they were
scared by the bikes\human noises but to this day he still swears up and down
that it was the whistles that scared them. I know a person that owns a Body
shop in Northern MN and he said half of all the vehicles that he gets in for
deer collisions have deer whistles on them!

Do they work? None of the locals up there use them but a lot of the tourists
do!

Jeff Bixby
Automation Instructor
Dunwoody MMLC






> I'd sure like to know if they work....they are reputed to work, but that's
> all I know.  There's plenty of deer around here and the idea of hitting
> one
> is scary.  So has anyone done the real world testing to provide a
> definitive
> answer?
>
> The whistles themselves are small and techy-looking, like Gino said,
> 'maybe
> they work' but if they had a whistle twice as big that screamed like a
> mountain lion I'd rather trust that.
>
> So does anyone know if there's good evidence for effectiveness?
>
> thanks,
> eric           <<< to young to be among the deerly departed
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:11:25 -0000
From: "Eric Jasniewicz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) NKLR - Deer whistle analysis/review

 http://www.ibmwr.org/prodreview/deerwsle.html

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:14:38 -0000
From: "Eric Jasniewicz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) NKLR - Hein Gericke/First Gear jacket info request

OK y'all.  Anyone have descriptions or comments on the following HG/FG
jackets?

Concord - I think this is like the FG TKO?
Corrales
Navigator - I think this is like the HG Dakar?
Sentry

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:22:59 -0500
From: David M. King <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR - Hein Gericke/First Gear jacket info request

In addition to these, has anyone seen the
Everest jacket?  I believe it is a Hein Gericke
but can't find any information on it.

Let me know if there is a web site with a
description.

Thanks,

David M. King

> OK y'all.  Anyone have descriptions or comments on the following HG/FG
> jackets?

> Concord - I think this is like the FG TKO?
> Corrales
> Navigator - I think this is like the HG Dakar?
> Sentry

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 99 12:41:32 PDT
From: "Marick Payton"   <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Fruits for friends

>Hey everyone, Marick has a big debate on oil level going on the KLX
>list...let's all go over and give them the raspberries...(g)
>
>Kurt

Raspberries we can handle, Kurt, but fur gawdsake please don't send
a post about guns or bears!  The list is small enough as it is and
we couldn't stand a lot of defections.  ;-)

Sure, we're plowing a lot of ground familiar to KLR'ers.  Haven't
discussed adjusting the counter-balancer chain in quite a while,
though.

Marick

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:42:07 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: (klr650) Fruits for friends

I never thought I'd be so grateful for gear driven counterbalancers...

- -
Sure, we're plowing a lot of ground familiar to KLR'ers.  Haven't
discussed adjusting the counter-balancer chain in quite a while,
though.

Marick

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:51:25 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) Tall Windshield

Yesterday I installed the new Kawasaki-brand tall windshield on my A-11. It
is exactly 4.0 inches taller than the stock windshield, and it has a very
slight forward flare at the top. It's labelled "Made in USA", and it appears
to be a good quality unit.

Installation is simple and straightforward and requires nothing more than a
Phillips-head screwdriver. The holes in the windshield lined up perfectly
with the holes in the fairing. The windshield is the only thing you'll find
in the box--it does not come with any mounting hardware whatsoever. Neither
does it come with any instructions. You will quickly notice that the
odd-shaped little knurled nuts that held the stock windshield in place do not
seem to fit the new one. Fortunately this is not a serious problem; if you
will simply screw those nuts on backwards, they will secure your new
windshield just fine.

I'm about 5'8" barefoot with a 33" inseam--in other words, just about average
size. Sitting on the bike, I can easily look over the top edge of the
windshield. When I took the new windshield out in the Dallas rush hour
traffice for a road test, the turbulence spilling over the top of it hit me
just about in the middle of my face. Now bear in mind that I have put the
Corbin seat on it, so I'm sitting an inch or two lower than I would be on the
stock seat. I haven't tested the new windshield over about 50 or 55 MPH yet,
but I expect that at higher speeds the turbulence would stike me slightly
lower, perhaps along about the chin or throat. This is not exactly what I was
hoping for.

So, is the new windshield worth it?

Well, for about $70 (plus tax and/or shipping), it's better than nothing, but
it certainly doesn't remind you much of an Electra Glide or a Gold Wing. I'm
damn-sure glad I didn't pony up about twice that much for one of the other
brands.

Using the new windshield, can you get away without any additional eye
protection? Can you wear a cap without having it blow off your head?

No fuckin' way. The new windshield is just not tall enough to do the job. I
haven't seen the Clearview or the Rifle models, but I understand that they're
both just about the same height. An aftermarket windshield is going to have
to be at least 8 inches taller than the stock one in order to furnish
adequate protection for an average sized rider. A piece of plastic that tall
would put an awfully large stress on the flimsy KLR fairing at high speeds.

I invite the comments of others have tried these aftermarket windshields.


Jim Henry, Co-Honcho
Republic Of Texas Biker Rally
Travis County Expo Center in Austin
4-6 June 1999
[e-mail]
972-386-7619 vox/fax        [phone] rally hotline info

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 16:29:02 -0400
From: "Chuck Anderson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) First 500 miles

I just got back from having my 500 mile service done, and have to say I am
quite happy with the bike. With my previous experience with Yamaha XT
500=92s, I do notice some differences. The XT=92s seem to have more low end
power. I could wheelie in the first three gears with just a hard throttle
roll. The KLR seems to require some effort to "get it up". But that is the
only area the KLR lags in. Road performance is fantastic, dirt
road/firetrail performance is better then fantastic, and flat out dirt
riding is=85ummm=85 interesting. Already dented my license plate, but now
have it safely tucked out of the way. I=92m expecting delivery of a box of
goodies any day now - Supertrapp IDS, K&N filter and a  Dynojet kit - then
we=92ll see about that low end power. If it improves it as much as I hope
it does, I=92ll put a 16 tooth front sprocket on it and see how it is.

 So, like I said, I am really happy with it. The dealer on the other
hand=85=85=85

I didn=92t have any problems with the setup - temp gauge works, no sticky
throttle etc. But when I brought it in for the service, I asked what
exactly they were going to do. He mentioned the oil, lube, clutch and brake
adjustments etc. But not the valve check. When I asked him about it, he was
incredulous. Said he had NEVER seen a KLR need a valve adjustment at 500
miles. Sigh. I was somewhat prepared for this having read in the archives
of other people having the same problem. I waited while they did they
worked on my $106.00 oil change, and got an idea of how the service
department works there. Before I left, went to the parts counter and
ordered a shop manual - looks like I=92ll need it, as I doubt I=92ll ever
bring my bike back there for service.

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:44:41 -0600
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) First 500 miles

Chuck wrote:

incredulous. Said he had NEVER seen a KLR need a valve adjustment at 500
miles. Sigh. I was somewhat prepared for this having read in the archives
of other people having the same problem. I waited while they did they
worked on my $106.00 oil change, and got an idea of how the service
department works there. Before I left, went to the parts counter and
ordered a shop manual - looks like IÆll need it, as I doubt IÆll ever
bring my bike back there for service.


Ajax replied:

another one...now you get to adjust your valves...he, of course, is wrong. I had two tight and
a bunch of others have as well.

Kurt

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:48:48 -0600
From: "Pokluda, Gino F" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) First 500 miles

>>another one...now you get to adjust your valves...he, of course, is wrong.
I had two tight and
a bunch of others have as well.<<

Likewise.  My exhaust valves were tight. After that initial adjustment, they
did not need adjustment until 17K miles, although I did go through the
inspection drill a couple of times before that, only because I enjoy doing
it so much... =8-o


Gino

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 17:45:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Patrice E. Robinet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) First 500 miles

Ok, I brought my bike in for the 500 mile check-up several months ago and
they also told me that the valves were fine....  Now you seem to all imply
that this ain't so, but my question is this: what is the consequence of
the valves not being properly adjusted?  Are we talking 0.001% loss of
peak performance or serious danger to the engine?

My previous KLR (which was stolen....sniff sniff) went 30,000 miles + and
never had a valve adjustment as far as I can remember.  And I never had
any problems (other than a cracked piston when I was in Peru....)  What
should people who are traveling long distances (as Andres or myself) do?


Patrice Robinet
Frenchman on Two Wheels
1998 KLR 650 (itchin' to ride but stuck in the library....preparing for
exams....)

On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Pokluda, Gino F wrote:

> >>another one...now you get to adjust your valves...he, of course, is wrong.
> I had two tight and
> a bunch of others have as well.<<
>
> Likewise.  My exhaust valves were tight. After that initial adjustment, they
> did not need adjustment until 17K miles, although I did go through the
> inspection drill a couple of times before that, only because I enjoy doing
> it so much... =8-o
>
>
> Gino
>

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 18:05:51 -0000
From: "Eric Jasniewicz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) NKLR - Jacket resources

Guy with a LOT of Hein Gericke and First Gear stuff cheap, including
Timbuktu (up to Large)

http://www.olympus.net/personal/markh/sales/sales_a.htm

Hein Gericke and First Gear stuff cheap, beware the "correct" prices are
actually more than the webpage states.  You can argue if you want, but they
are still cheaper than anyone else I've found.
 http://www.braincell.com/kiernan/

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 17:27:51 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) NKLR Deer Whistle

I wish there was a cow whistle. One of the beasts leapt out of a ditch in
front of me the other day. Interesting ride, I also learned that if a fat bug
hits the vents on the front of my Arai DS just right, I get bug juice all
over my lips. :-0

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 18:42:50 -0400
From: "LindaT" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) deer whistle

I recall that the WV highway patrol did a test of deer whistles and found
them to be ineffective.  Now if I could just remember where I read that...

CRS strikes again!

LindaT.
95 F3 Purple Haze (54K miles and counting...)
86 KLR250 Klarabelle
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/

cosmo bojinski asked:
A previous owner installed them so he
just left them on. I have also seen a klr with one of these installed
on top of the front fender.I had always dismissed these as
"gimicky",but hey,if they work,its a cheap deterrent, and I'd
definitely consider it.Anyone have any thoughts on this? While I'm on
the subject of animals. Bill S.,the "Moose" has a trunk? must have an
impressive horn set-up:)  sorry, must be the coffee..cosmo

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:52:43 -0700
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Fw: Overtime (NKLR)

- -----Original Message-----
From: Kurt Simpson <[e-mail]>
To: Arne Larsen <[e-mail]>; KLR 650 <[e-mail]>
Date: April 21, 1999 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: (klr650) Fw: Overtime (NKLR)


>Are you using the technique of going online to get your messages and then
offline to read and
>compose responses and then online to post?

Good idea... "DOH!!!"

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:54:56 -0700
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) CO HS shooting (NKLR)

What's really strange is that while you hear of cases where a single person
goes wacko, in this case two guys entered the school, and three others were
apprehended outside.

Arne

- -----Original Message-----
From: Alex Jomarron <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: April 21, 1999 11:28 AM
Subject: (klr650) CO HS shooting (NKLR)


>I teach in a high school in the Chicago suburbs.
>The mood here today is, understandably, quite subdued.
>As isolated and infrequent as these events seem, something is wrong, very
>very wrong.....
>
>AJ
>
>===
>Alex Jomarron
>Oak Park, IL USA

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:31:21 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) Fox enduro jacket

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Greetings, today I picked up my Fox out rider enduro jacket (part
#14-1404)and am very pleased.Its waterproof cordura has a ton off pockets and
appears to be very well made.This jacket has alot of features which make it a
good buy for the money.I was able to get it from the local motorcycle
accesory store (Nampa,ID) FOR $170.00 the full list price was 210.00.   Dave

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In addition to these, has anyone seen the
Everest jacket?  I believe it is a Hein Gericke
but can't find any information on it.

Let me know if there is a web site with a
description.

Thanks,

David M. King

> OK y'all.  Anyone have descriptions or comments on the following HG/FG
> jackets?

> Concord - I think this is like the FG TKO?
> Corrales
> Navigator - I think this is like the HG Dakar?
> Sentry








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