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klr650-digest          Monday, April 12 1999          Volume 02 : Number 271




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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:43:48 -0400
From: Bryan Moody <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Lean or Rich.

Yeah,
Summit Racing 'has em for less than 50 bucks.
- --
Bryan Moody
Greensboro, NC
86 Concours, 94 KLR650
COG Southeast Area Director http://www.concours.org/se

IBA: BBG, CCC Gold


Christopher J Beasley wrote:
> snip
> Also, I've been thinking about my endurance racing crew daze, and a couple of
> gadgets that we had, one was an EGT meter, I dunno what the pickup for it was
> like tho.  The other was a rich/lean meter.  We would drill the header right
> after the 'collector' section, and weld on a nut over the hole.  We could screw
> in this meter's pickup while jetting, putting in a bolt for the race.  Anybody
> seen anything like this recently?
> Cheers!
> beez

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:35:51 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) Air filter oil

On 4/12/99, [e-mail] writes: snip

>I've thought about diverting some exhaust heat to the intake air
>stream to convert the droplets to vapor....Seasonal Affective
>Disorder sets in, the thing to do is to go out and ride...in the rain,
>because that's all there is.


 Dreas, heating your intake air will only make you SADder. Warm
 air is less dense. Your mixture won't have enough air to burn
 properly. Now if you can find a way to refrigerate the air, that
 would remove the water and compact more air molecules into
 your system...Well, I'm thinking a #175 main jet and a #60 pilot.

 Redondo Ron A10 - just strap on the little blue bottle

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:34:42 -0700
From: Richard Ohnstad <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) KLR Temp Gauge Reading

It sounds very similiar to my A8, which has been consistent through the 9,000 miles of its existence.

Richard in Tucson
'94 KLR650
'86 VFR 750

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From:     Tom McKenzie[SMTP:[e-mail]]
Sent:     Sunday, April 11, 1999 8:54 PM
To:     KLR List
Subject:     (klr650) KLR Temp Gauge Reading

Going to use the list for a non bear, non gun request. Can my fellow riders give
me an idea as to what their temperature gauges read on a normally warmed up
motor. Mine reads between 1/8 and 1/4 of the way up the scale.  It is very
consistent and I have checked to see that the temperature sensor kicks the fan
on, it does right at the midway point on the gauge.

I think the gauge is indexed on the low side, but I don't have another bike to
compare it to. So if you don't mind please lets hear from your gauges. Thank
you.
- --
Tom McKenzie A13,  5 weeks old, 3500K. Geez it's still cold here in BC.

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:49:27 -0700
From: Tom Myers <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Re: Weight of gas & oil

>Tom, avgas is reduced in weight for aircraft use only,
> they use helium additives.
>
>Skip
=========================
Speaking of "helium additives".....

In case anyone has wondered if weight could be saved by substituting helium
in your tires, here it is.

I only use 8-10 psi, but for those who use 25 psi, the weight savings can
be dramatic!!!  25 psi in a 3.00X21" front and a 5.00X18 rear weighs 2.1
lbs.   The same amout of Helium weighs 0.3 lbs, so you **could save1.8
lbs.**  Now, if you can just get the Helium to stay in the tire.....

I realize this is big-time drivel, but there are engineers on the list who
will appreciate it.  Engineers are like that.  How they manage to procreate
is the 8th wonder of the world.

Tom

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:49:59 -0600
From: "Skip Faulkner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Offroad boots.. any suggestions? (thor 327?)

>I'm in the market for some decent offroad boots.. something that I might
>even use on long road trips as well. I've been looking at some thor 327
>boots, but I'm not sure how well theyre made and the fit is a problem. I
>take a 9.5 size and they only offer whole sizes. Any thor users know what
>size shoe they wear compared to say, a comfy nike sneaker? Also, I might
>spend a bit more money if I could find something worth it.
>Any shifting, walking, flexibility problems with these stiff looking boots?
>I've always been cheap and used plain old combat boots. TIA :)
>

MRatta


For similar price, check out MSR`s World Tour boots.

Skip

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:54:55 -0600
From: "Skip Faulkner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Re:NKLR  Weight of gas & oil

>>Tom, avgas is reduced in weight for aircraft use only,
>> they use helium additives.
>>
>>Skip
>=========================
>Speaking of "helium additives".....
>
>In case anyone has wondered if weight could be saved by substituting helium
>in your tires, here it is.
>
>I only use 8-10 psi, but for those who use 25 psi, the weight savings can
>be dramatic!!!  25 psi in a 3.00X21" front and a 5.00X18 rear weighs 2.1
>lbs.   The same amout of Helium weighs 0.3 lbs, so you **could save1.8
>lbs.**  Now, if you can just get the Helium to stay in the tire.....
>....................> snip<.....................................


>Tom



Tom, how  about in the forks and in the sealed members of the frame. Could
really lighten` her up.

Skip

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:58:05 PDT
From: "Conall O'Brien" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) NKLR Evel Knievel JR

Evel Knievel is going to be on FOX network April 29th jumping the Grand Canyon. NUTSO!! Looks like he was going to launch a crash test dummy on a bike to simulate the jump in preparation. I gotta see this.
How about that last jump in Vegas across rooftops? Just a little bit of hype.

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:05:15 -0700
From: Tom Myers <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) carb screws

Tom Bigalke from the DUST list said 4mmX0.7X16mm.  I bought some but
haven't checked yet.  Check back with me in a few days to see if they fit.

Tom

===============
>sorry for being so lazy, but anybody know the size of the float bowl screws
>off hand so I can get some SS allen head ones on the way home?
>BG


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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:03:29 -0600
From: "Skip Faulkner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Lean or Rich.

.............................> snip<.................
>Also, I've been thinking about my endurance racing crew daze, and a couple
of
>gadgets that we had, one was an EGT meter, I dunno what the pickup for it
was
>like tho.  The other was a rich/lean meter.  We would drill the header
right
>after the 'collector' section, and weld on a nut over the hole.  We could
screw
>in this meter's pickup while jetting, putting in a bolt for the race.
Anybody
>seen anything like this recently?
>Cheers!
>beez


Beez,
  I`ve got an air/ratio monitor and EGT gage on my bike. It sounds like
overkill, but I installed both to compare the two, and the air/ratio monitor
turned out to be considerably more accurate and precise for jetting and
tuning purposes. I switched to the
air/ratio monitor because I was told by several speed shops that by knowing
the exact ratio of O2 to fuel, the jetting procedure is not as effected by
environmental factors ( temp, humidity etc..).


Skip

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:07:24 -0700
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: (Nklr650) Harley Riders

I know what you mean Brian.  Everyone is very quick to assume who and what
you are based on one quick event... but maybe that's not the issue.  I'm not
that old (35 in May) but when I started riding  - actually I started as a
little kid - but when I got my licence at 16 and started riding on the
street, more of the bikers waved.  Sure, the occasional Harley rider
wouldn't, but half of them, and all of the others would.  Nowadays, even
when I would be out on my previous bike (Valkyrie) and the one before that
(Shadow 1100 - Harley clone), the majority of them would not wave.  And I
mean the majority of ALL the other bikes on the road.  My theory is that
15 - 20 years ago, the people you saw on two wheels really were bikers.  Now
many of them aren't.  There are a growing number who are mid-life crisis
bikers; or kids with dad's money bikers; etc..  Nothing against these groups
at all - don't get me wrong, but they just weren't brought up in the same
school of thought - that two guys on bikes on the same stretch of road have
a common bond.  To them, it would be like waving at every other car on the
road when they are in their car.  As for many of today's Harley riders,
image is everything, and they are trying to adopt a crede -  "Cool is the
rule".  I like that, I just made it up = ).  They would probably wave at
another Harley, IF they could be sure that the bike they were waving to was
one as well.  I think that's it - todays bikers wave at the bike, not the
rider.  I wave at the rider.

Arne


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Shepard <[e-mail]>
To: KLR650 Mailing LIst <[e-mail]>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: (Nklr650) Harley Riders


> I don't understand this. I just started riding again after 20 years and
everyone
> used to wave no matter what kind of bike. Now, Harleys never wave back to
me.
> This really
> angers me bacause I know several people who own Harleys and Japanese
bikes. How
> do they know I don't also own Harley? I love Harleys and I really love my
1999
> KLR 650 too!
>
> -Brian Shepard
>  [e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:12:01 -0600
From: "Skip Faulkner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Mountain KLR Rallye

>Kurt
>If you really want to do one we can put one together that we do.
>Happy trails


>Tim



Hey you guys, let`s get together on something. Me and Vik
are discussing a CanAm Rallye. We were talking on hosting one here in the NW
Rockies, USA and the following would be in
the Canadian Rockies, or visa versa. Vik would do the Canadian one either
this Fall or next spring, and the Montana??
fling would be the following fall.
  Let`s work something out. BTW, this is KLR ONLY.

Skip

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:12:22 -0700
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Winter Oil Filter

- ----- Original Message -----
From: [e-mail]
To: bob kaub
Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: (klr650) Winter Oil Filter


What are the disadvantages of doing a regular LOF interval with the 'winter
oil' ? All it did was sit in the pan over 4-5 months...

Thanks
Brian


I would say nothing.  What's the difference if the oil sits in a jug or the
engine?  It's the heat/friction from use that causes oil to break down.  As
long as it's an oil you feel good about using I would say no problem.  If
the engine hasn't turned over for 5 months, and you didn't oil the cylinder
before storing, you may want to squirt a little oil into the cylinder
through the spark plug hole to lube things up a bit.

Arne

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:20:08 -0600
From: "Skip Faulkner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Kawasaki Oil

>Well, come on Skip, don't leave us hanging.
>I'm also wondering about KLR oil cooler technology.  You could splice in at
that
>external line that runs to the countershaft and cams.  I'm wondering about
this
>because I'm starting to think about a big-bore KLR.  Mine's not boring
enough
>:).
>beez



Beez, I`m getting there. I`ll be doing it this week. I`m in the middle of
prepping my bike`s plastic for painting. Real pain in the butt, if you want
to do it right, clean with soap, clean with plastic cleaner, test, clean
again, test etc... then prep, every stinking square centimeter, don`t miss a
spot, scuff etc,,yada,
yada,yada..........

Skip

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:27:33 -0600
From: "Skip Faulkner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Winter Oil Filter

>What are the disadvantages of doing a regular LOF interval with the 'winter
>oil' ? All it did was sit in the pan over 4-5 months...
>
>Thanks
>Brian
>
>
>I would say nothing.  What's the difference if the oil sits in a jug or the
>engine?  It's the heat/friction from use that causes oil to break down.  As
>long as it's an oil you feel good about using I would say no problem.  If
>the engine hasn't turned over for 5 months, and you didn't oil the cylinder
>before storing, you may want to squirt a little oil into the cylinder
>through the spark plug hole to lube things up a bit.
>
>Arne
>



If you aren`t using a storage oil, use a heavy weight oil, then run the
engine to temp , shut off and do your other preps for the storage. The
heavier oil will adhere to the internal engine parts longer. It helps to
periodically spin the engine up with the starter and spark plug lead
disconnected, to get the oil back up.

Skip

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:08:35 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) Tengai Turmoil--part2

Thanks for the input...

Well, I haven't completely made the decision yet, but I did place a deposit
down on it (transferable to a new KLR pending my inspection of the condition
of the Tengai model). I'm going to check it out tomorrow night and then I'll
decide to go home with the Tengai or a newer KLR, but it's clearly between
the two--regardless of my procrastination, and an ieptness of decision
making.

When picturing this bike a few years 'down the road' should I be concerned
about buying an older 1990 Tengai--reliability wise, that is? Granted, it has
only 8,000 miles, (new tires, brakepads, and battery) but I don't know how
the bike's been treated in the past, or where it's been for the last 8 years.

This summer I expect to log many road miles on it (Ohio to Florida to New
Mexico) with a bulk of backpacking gear in tow. Should I consider a newer KLR
simply for the sake of ease of mind on a long ride--any KLR-specific
notables/problem areas which I should scrutinize when I visit the shop? (For
the sake of perspective, this shop will send me out the door (inc. tax) for
$2500 on the Tengai and $4650 on a new '99.)

Of trivial importance, it definitely seems like the color choice has improved
over this Tengai's blue/white/green combo. On that note, and somewhat joking,
how well would a new paint stick to that plastic if one were to strip it
down? (My apologies on the last inquiry, I had overlooked the archive when I
just started lurking in the group)

Thanks again,

Ryan
[e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:27:43 -0600
From: "Fred Hink" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Air filter oil NKLR

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>; [e-mail]
<[e-mail]>
Date: Monday, April 12, 1999 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: (klr650) Air filter oil


>On 4/12/99, [e-mail] writes: snip
>
>>I've thought about diverting some exhaust heat to the intake air
>>stream to convert the droplets to vapor....Seasonal Affective
>>Disorder sets in, the thing to do is to go out and ride...in the rain,
>>because that's all there is.
>
>
> Dreas, heating your intake air will only make you SADder. Warm
> air is less dense. Your mixture won't have enough air to burn
> properly. Now if you can find a way to refrigerate the air, that
> would remove the water and compact more air molecules into
> your system...Well, I'm thinking a #175 main jet and a #60 pilot.
>
> Redondo Ron A10 - just strap on the little blue bottle
>
>

Back in the "old" days when the service manager I worked for was drag racing
a 305 Superhawk with a supercharger, they used to pack the outside of the
carbs with dry ice for a little extra edge.

Fred  (still dreaming of a new 305 Scrambler)  :<)

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