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klr650-digest         Saturday, April 1 2000         Volume 02 : Number 1674



(klr650) Cross Border Shopping
Re: RE: (klr650) Kawasaki on Mars
Re: (klr650) Kawasaki on Mars
Re: (klr650) Kawasaki on Mars
(klr650) Fw: HAYES DIVERSIFIED TECHNOLOGIES
Re: (klr650) Mineral spirits
(klr650) Synthetic oil ?
Re: (klr650) KLR v. SL 350
(klr650) Lubricating Debates & Choices (couldn't resist)
Re: (klr650) Brake bleed tips
Re: (klr650) Kawasaki on Mars

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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 16:05:11 -0800 (PST)
From: John Laybolt <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Cross Border Shopping

Hi.

I'm in Canada and considering buying some stuff from
Fred and Tim in the USA.  Has anyone had any
experience in getting stuff through customs at the
border?  Do you have to pay any additional charges to
get it across or can it be sent hassle free?  Any
advice or tales of experience appreciated. Thanks.

John
'00 KLR
'96 Bandit1200
'80 LTD440

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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 19:16:48 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: RE: (klr650) Kawasaki on Mars

In a message dated 4/1/00 12:11:56 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<<

I'm a bit confused by Neil's response, tho'. Why won't rubber tires work in

space?

 >>

WELL,  I was watching some show about the history of four wheel drive on the
discovery channel and they interviewed the astronaut and asked questions
about the
 lunar buggy. He pointed out that the tires on the lunar buggy were metal
mesh or net, transparent if you look close enough. He talked about how the
rubber would be flamable, and NASA shy's away from anything flamable and the
air pressure in the tires would be yet another variable to have to deal with.

- -neil

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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 19:18:37 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) Kawasaki on Mars

In a message dated 4/1/00 2:34:05 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< The lunar buggy had metal mesh tires on super light wheels.  It used to sit

on the floor of the NASA Museum in Huntsville Ala.  I touched it.  I think

it may be in the National Air and Space Museum in Washington D.C.  Most of

the Nasa stuff went there when it opened in '76.

Morgan >>

No,actually the lunar buggy is still on the moon, and it's up for grabs.
- -neil

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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 17:33:02 -0800
From: "Robert Morgan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Kawasaki on Mars

Well actually I suppose that one still is.  The one I saw obviously didn't
make the trip.  Can you imagine what all those Hasselblad Lunar Edition
cameras would be worth.  It'll make quite a salvage haul someday
Morgan
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>
> In a message dated 4/1/00 2:34:05 PM, [e-mail]
writes:
>
> << The lunar buggy had metal mesh tires on super light wheels.  It used to
sit
>
> on the floor of the NASA Museum in Huntsville Ala.  I touched it.  I think
>
> it may be in the National Air and Space Museum in Washington D.C.  Most of
>
> the Nasa stuff went there when it opened in '76.
>
> Morgan >>
>
> No,actually the lunar buggy is still on the moon, and it's up for grabs.
> -neil
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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 17:56:23 -0800
From: "Darrel & Deanna" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Fw: HAYES DIVERSIFIED TECHNOLOGIES

Infrared lighting for your KLR anyone?  These prices are contracted,
but if Hayes will sell the chrome progressive springs for the front and the
upgraded rear shock for anywhere near $415, that would be a bargain.

Darrel
A12

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>17654-5230
>OFF-ROAD TIRE, FRONT HEAVY DUTY OFF-ROAD TIRE FOR
>EXTREME DUTY USE DOT RATED USE FOR ALL MODELS
>GSA
>HAYES DIVERSIFIED TECHNOLOGIES
>STANDARD WARRANTY
>$64.00 Each
>
>17654-5201
> OFF-ROAD TIRE, REAR, 120/90-17 HEAVY DUTY OFF-ROAD
>TIRE FOR EXTREME DUTY USE D OT RATED USE FOR ALL 250CC
>MODELS
>GSA
>HAYES DIVERSIFIED TECHNOLOGIES
>STANDARD WARRANTY
>$73.00 Each
>
>17654-2404
>INFRARED LIGHTING FOR NIGHT OPERATIONS
>GSA
>HAYES DIVERSIFIED TECHNOLOGIES
>12 MO
>$134.00 Each
>
>17654-7000
>TWIN REAR EQUIPMENT CARRIERS DUAL, REAR, HARDSIDE
>EQUIPMENT CARRIERS FOR THE KL250 AND M1030 MILITARY
>MOTORCYCLES (STANDARD ON THE SEARCH & RESCUE AND
>CCT VARIANTS)
>GSA
>HAYES DIVERSIFIED TECHNOLOGIES
>12 MO WARRANTY
>$395.00 Each
>
>17654-7002
>TWIN REAR EQUIPMENT CARRIERS DUAL, REAR, HARDSIDE
>EQUIPMENT CARRIERS FOR THE KLR650L1 AND M1030B1
>MOTORCYCLES
>GSA
>HAYES DIVERSIFIED TECHNOLOGIES
>12 MO
> $395.00 Each
>
>17654-3080
>EXTREME DUTY SUSPENSION SYSTEM FOR THE KL250 &
>M1030M MOTORCYCLES FRONT AND REAR INCLUDED DESIGNED
>FOR EXTREME OFF-ROAD OPERATION (STANDARD ON THE SEARCH &
>RESCUE AND CCT VARIANTS)
>GSA
>HAYES DIVERSIFIED TECHNOLOGIES
>STANDARD WARRANTY
>$415.00 Each
>
>17654-3082
>EXTREME DUTY SUSPENSION SYSTEM FOR THE KLR650L
>MOTORCYCLE FRONT AND REAR INCLUDED DESIGNED FOR
>EXTREME OFF-ROAD OPERATION (STANDARD ON THE M1030B1 >MILITARY MOTORCYLE)
>GSA
>HAYES DIVERSIFIED TECHNOLOGIES
>17654-3082
> STANDARD WARRANTY
> $415.00 Each
>
>17654-7400
>EMERGENCY LIGHTING AND SIREN
>GSA
>HAYES DIVERSIFIED TECHNOLOGIES
>STANDARD WARRANTY
>$698.00 Each
>
>17654-1030P
>KL250P UTILITY MOTORCYCLE ON AND OFF-ROAD CAPABLE
>250CC ENGINE DISPLACEMENT DESIGNED FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT
>USE
>GSA
>HAYES DIVERSIFIED TECHNOLOGIES
>17654-1030P
>STANDARD WARRANTY
>$5,616.00 Each
>
>17654-1030M
>M1030 MILITARY MOTORCYCLE ON AND OFF-ROAD
>CAPABLE 250CC ENGINE DISPLACEMENT D ESIGNED
>MILITARY USE
>GSA
>HAYES DIVERSIFIED TECHNOLOGIES
>STANDARD WARRANTY
>$5,730.00 Each
>
>17654-1030D
>M1030 DESERT OPERATIONS MOTORCYCLE ON AND
>OFF-ROAD CAPABLE 250CC ENGINE DISPLACEMENT DESIGNED >MILITARY USE
>GSA
>HAYES DIVERSIFIED TECHNOLOGIES
>STANDARD WARRANTY
>$6,279.00 Each
>
>17654-1030AF
>M1030 AIR FORCE CCT VARIANT ON AND OFF-ROAD
>CAPABLE 250CC ENGINE DISPLACEMENT DESIGNED FOR
>USE BY USAF COMBAT CONTROL TEAMS
>GSA
>HAYES DIVERSIFIED TECHNOLOGIES
>STANDARD WARRANTY
>$6,340.00 Each
>
>17654-1030L1
>KLR650L1 UTILITY MOTORYCLE ON AND OFF-ROAD
>CAPABLE 650CC ENGINE DISPLACEMENT DESIGNED FOR LAW >ENFORCEMENT USE
>GSA
>HAYES DIVERSIFIED TECHNOLOGIES
>STANDARD WARRANTY
>$6,349.00 Each
>
>17654-1030S
>KL250P SEARCH & RESCUE UTILITY MOTORCYCLE ON AND
>OFF-ROAD CAPABLE 250CC ENGINE DISPLACEMENT DESIGNED
>FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND SEARCH & RESCUE AGENCIES
>GSA
>HAYES DIVERSIFIED TECHNOLOGIES
>STANDARD WARRANTY
>$6,459.00 Each
>
>17654-1030B1
>M1030B1 MILITARY MOTORCYCLE ON AND OFF-ROAD
>CAPABLE 650CC ENGINE DISPLACEMENT DESIGNED FOR MILITARY >USE
>GSA
>HAYES DIVERSIFIED TECHNOLOGIES
>STANDARD WARRANTY
>$7,008.00 Each



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Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 17:59:48 -0800
From: Ronald  Wells <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Mineral spirits

Coal Oil=Kerosene
- --
- ---
Ronald Wells <[e-mail]>

>
> Wonder what ever happened to Coal Oil?  We used to sell it in the gas station
> back in the 40's.  It must have been a Kerosene type product.
>
> George
> Escondido, CA
>
>
>


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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 22:15:56 -0400
From: "steve pye" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Synthetic oil ?

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Steve Pye
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Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 03:34:48 +0000
From: Eugen Langen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR v. SL 350

> a couple of comparisons between my old Honda SL 350 and my new KLR
650.

Maybe the Honda was a CL 350?

>The SL was at its time (late 60s).....

I think the first year for the SL 350 was 1970. The CL 350 was made
in the late 1960's and early 1970's.

> the SL was a scrambler, basically a street bike with high pipes.

The CL 350 had high crome pipes, the SL 350 low black pipes with
mufflers angled up so they were above the rear axle at the outlet.

I bought a CL 100 in 1970, SL 350 in 1971 and a XL 250 in 1972.

I don't buy new bikes every year anymore. :(

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Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 21:48:34 CST
From: "Dustin McCarty" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Lubricating Debates & Choices (couldn't resist)

Probably a can of worms, but what is life all about if people can't have
strong feelings about oil!

I am coming to the 500 mile first service.  I am pretty new to the
motorcycle scene, and extremely new to the world of KLR.  I have had good
experience with autos using traditional oil, and only one experience with a
synthetic blend.  Had to rebuild a 302 Ford due to parafin (sp?) buildup
plugging the drain holes thus not enough oil to pump since it wasn't making
it back to the pan..this is a bad thing to happen when racing back from
Padre @ 120mph.  (ok that was stupid too...younger then and almost have
learned better.  :)

Now to the official question:

IS SYNTHETIC BETTER FOR THE KLR OR IS TRADITIONAL OIL?

and the follow up:

WHAT BRAND AND GRADE?

I read someone had 130,000 miles on their KLR...what are they using?  Maybe
I could rub some on me and live a little longer!

Let the debate begin.

Thanks,
Dust
A14

P.S.  Bogdan... you must be a really short little bugar!  30" inseam.
How do you reach the ground?
hehe


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Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:53:54 +1000
From: Ted Palmer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Brake bleed tips

Mike Magier wrote:

> I'm getting ready to replace front&rear brake pads and fluid. I have the
> world-famous Mityvac, but haven't used it yet. Here's what I THINK I'm going
> to do, if I'm wrong, please tell me now.

I don't know about those.
However, I don't see much point in running the brake line dry.
If I empty the master cylinder I use a syringe.
As well, think about ways to reduce the amount of old fluid in the
caliper.
As the fluid line port and the bleed screw are fairly close together,
there is no guarantee that all of the old fluid will be flushed
from the caliper. Since the caliper end is where all the heat is,
that is where the fluid needs to be at its best.
It may help to push the piston in move most of the old fluid out
of the caliper.

[...]
> In any case, I was already planning on replacing chain/sprockets. If I do
> this, and my problem is solved, is there still any good reason to take apart
> my clutch for inspection/adjustment/replacement? (I've got a 98 with 13000
> miles, regular oil changes with synthetic).

If you're really curious, you could pull off the clutch case to see
how much wear there has been on the clutch. Unless you've given it
a hard time there shouldn't be much wear.
With considerate use the clutch could easily last 80,000km (50k mi).

While you're there you could check the oil pickup screen to see
how much junk there is caught up in it. I had lots in my screen
when I had the case off to do the waterpump seal.

There is nothing to adjust on the clutch inside the case.

> Oh yeah, if I replace clutch
> plates, do I need to run a few oil changes with the dino stuff?

I'm no expert on synthetic, but it shouldn't make any difference.
Just pre-soak the friction plates as per book procedures.

Mister_T


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Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 14:04:35 +1000
From: Ted Palmer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Kawasaki on Mars

Alan L Henderson wrote:
[...]
> Wait a minute here folks. Remember how everything is relative? The pressure
> in a tire is measured against atmospheric pressure and compared by how much
> it is above atmospheric.
[...]

Quite so. You could still have 32psi (gauge) pressure in the tyres
on the Moon, but you would need with less gas in the tyres to
achieve that pressre.

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