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klr650-digest         Monday, March 13 2000         Volume 02 : Number 1569



Re: (klr650) Service Manual and Supplement NKLR
(klr650) NKLR - NMC- Auto Road Trip Web Page - Roadgeek@onelist
(klr650) FW: round the world GS
(klr650) Service Manual and Supplement
(klr650) Another valve adjustment question
(klr650) KLR paint longevity?
Re: (klr650) Service Manual and Supplement
Re:(klr650) Slammed!
Re: Re:(klr650) Slammed!
Re: (klr650) KLR 2000 - Stator/ regulator output???
Re: (klr650) KLR paranoia
Re: (klr650) FW: round the world GS

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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:02:17 -0500
From: Stuart Heaslet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Service Manual and Supplement NKLR

>anyone thought of scanning the set and posting it? Is it against copyright
>laws? lets help everyone.  How about putting in acrobat reader format?

Yeah, it would break a law or two.  Making a copy of a page or two for
personal reference constitutes "fair use" under international and U.S.
copyright law, and is okay.  Copying a significant portion or a whole book
unfairly deprives the author/publisher.  However, copyright only applies to
license of an expression of an idea or ideas - it doesn't protect the idea
itself.    That means you can rewrite, clarify and expand on a subject and
publish your own book, as long as you don't copy word, verse, drawing,
whatever....it goes on and on.  Too much info, yes?

Fireball

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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:31:46 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) NKLR - NMC- Auto Road Trip Web Page - Roadgeek@onelist

Photo journey across America

http://www.kodak.com/country/US/en/corp/features/onTheRoad/interview/index.sht
ml

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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:37:06 -0800
From: Ronald  Wells <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) FW: round the world GS

Sent to BMW-GS LIST
I thought I would pass this on to the KLR650 list

'00 KLR650
'95 R1100GS
- --
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Ronald Wells <[e-mail]>


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From: Bob Shilling <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:53:30 -0800
To: BMW -GS motorcycles mailing list <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: round the world GS

Mike,
About the Oylhead. Even if you converted to carbs (this was done for the
Paris-Dakar-Cairo version, not because of fear of electronic failure, but
simply because the fuel injectors foul too frequently on third world
gasoline) you still have an engine with a greatly increased parts count.
Extra valves, overhead cams with chains, etc. And a heavier bike.

I took the liberty of forwarding some of this discussion to Jan Hofman,
founder of the Airheads BMW Club, and newsletter editor of same. Jan
unequivocally states that if anyone asks him about the best round the
world travel bike, he recomends the KLR650, as a bike with 15 years of
production, and spare and used parts available world wide. Used ones are
relatively cheap, so even if you had it stolen, it would not be a huge
loss (monetarily, that is.)

Jan makes some very good points, and the folks on the Adventure Touring
List (which sort of spun off from the KLR650 list) would no doubt agree.
Most have not found it a comfortable all-day-in-the-saddle bike though.

Personally though, I still think the '88 through '90 R100GS is the best
bet. I think it will take more of a beating than the KLR, and experience
of many travelers has shown that parts can pretty much be had, or
improvised, almost anywhere.

l8r,
Bob
>.    .    .   .   .  .  .  .  . . . . . ...........................
Bob Shilling, SE             Berkeley, CA          [e-mail]
KK6QQ            http://www.emf.net/~shilling              MSA S-10
'91 R100, "Sleipnir"                        '88 R100GS, "Wild Dove"
  ABC#2063/CCBR/BMWMOA/AMA/IBMWR(Pres.)/DoD#1195
 "Give me my cycle, and a star filled sky above..." Johnny Horton
     **"This alligator walks into a bar and..." Horizon Kent**






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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:44:05 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) Service Manual and Supplement

>      Of the listers out there who own both manuals, are there any who have
>      had negative experiences with incomplete instructions, poor
>      explanations etc.?  Can someone with good mechanical skills tackle
any
>      task confidently with the service manuals?
>
>      I would appreciate any feedback.

    Hehe, I've read some vague manuals in the past, but this set wins hands
down.  These are the real instructions for lubing the Unitrack;

Step 1 - Disassemble the Unitrac suspension.

    That's it!  No how to, no in what order, etc.  Imagine looking at a
complete bike and then reading 'disassemble the unitrac'.  Putting it in
perspective you realize they say this after you've done the rear shock
removal but the layman might be looking for something more explicit.  You
don't even want to know what passes for instructions on removing the engine
;)
    Having said that, I think the manuals are made for people with some kind
of background in mechanical knowledge.  I wouldn't be afraid to get into the
guts of the engine using them, but then I'm not afraid to screw things up in
the comfort of my garage.  Kawi even states in the beginning that 'This
manual is designed primarily for use by trained mechanics in a properly
equipped shop, although it contains enough detail and basic instruction to
make it useful to the motorcycle user who desires to carry out his own basic
maintenance and repair work.'
    Having said all that, my books have paid for themselves twice over
already just in the rear shock removal and yesterday the unitrac lubrication
compared to if I was to pay for the labour at just about any shop.  Get the
books, you won't regret it!  They are wayyyy cheaper than paying a mechanic
to work on your bike.

TTYL
Karl



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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:53:40 -0500
From: "Thomas Lewis" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Another valve adjustment question

Hello to the list,
    I am attempting to adjust the valves on my 1998 KLR 650, and it is the
first time I have done it myself. I have the manuals and the printout from
the web page. I removed the top engine mount, as instructed, but I still
can't get the cover past the timing chain guard. I've moved the wiring out
of the way as much as possible, but it seems that the space between frame
and engine is not quite sufficient. Is there a trick to getting it out?

Thomas



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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:08:49 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) KLR paint longevity?

Hey listers,

I put a few more miles on my A14 yesterday. I'm almost through the 500 mile
break-in period, thank goodness. I'm loving the bike more and more with each
mile. I have only one question today:

Since I saw that picture of the MuZ Black Panther, I am getting closer and
closer to painting my KLR black. All I need to know about is the longevity of
the paint on plastic. I've gathered all the info I need on prep-work and
actual paint. I just need to know how well it lasts. So, to all those with
painted KLRs (Gino, Skip, Randolph?, Bogdan, and anyone else), how is the
paint holding up and how long has it been on the bike?

Thank you kindly for the information,

Raamses Rider
Roanoke, VA
A14 "Lusus" (410 miles and counting)
http://www2.50megs.com/raamses/klrpage.htm

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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:10:05 -0700
From: "Todd & Angel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Service Manual and Supplement

Yeow, big time violation of copyright laws (without signed consent from
publisher).  But, I hear the Navy has some really cool "tech" stuff (I saw a
commercial once); maybe you could do it for us?
Todd
A14
Fountain, CO

>       Rob
anyone thought of scanning the set and posting it? Is it against copyright
laws? lets help everyone.  How about putting in acrobat reader format?

just some thoughts

Kurt Thomas

AT1      USN
Aircrewman/Aviation Electronics Tech. for the<A
HREF="http://www.sikorsky.com/programs/stallion/dragon.html"> MH-53E</A>
HM-15 NAS Corpus Christi, TX
96 KLR 650







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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:00:18 -0800
From: "r. scott lamorte" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:(klr650) Slammed!

[e-mail] wrote:
>Hey, guys (and long-legged gals);
>
>     As one of the short-legged guys on the list I can't say enough about the
>Quality Engine lowering links I got from Dual Star this p.m. and installed on
>my A14.

hey pete!

what's your inseam? i'm trying to get my partner onto a KLR, but she
complains about the height. with the bike stock, she can get one toe
down, and the other toe is about three inches above ground. i dropped
the front forks, and that puts her on toes on both sides.

mostly i'm trying to get real-world stories about how KLR is good for
short-leggers.

- --scoot

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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:58:06 -0700
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re:(klr650) Slammed!

> what's your inseam? i'm trying to get my partner onto a KLR, but she
> complains about the height. with the bike stock, she can get one toe
> down, and the other toe is about three inches above ground. i dropped
> the front forks, and that puts her on toes on both sides.
>
> mostly i'm trying to get real-world stories about how KLR is good for
> short-leggers.
>

OK, I've got to jump in here again. For anyone wanting a 650 class bike and
is inseam challenged the perfect bike is the DR650SE. Why? Because it is
designed to be lowered and has an already lower seat height than the KLR.
The DR gets lowered the only safe way and that is by reducing the travel at
the same time. In addition it is 30-40 lbs lighter but feels like 80.

Kur


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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:21:05 -0600
From: "Tom Meagher" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR 2000 - Stator/ regulator output???

> I would like to use an electric vest (35 watts) on my 2000 KLR650. I am
> waiting on the service manual to see if there are any specs. on the
> electrical system. I know the current load on the system but would like
> to know how much service is left.
>
> This it the current load:
>
> 60W - Head light (high)
> 27W - Brake light
> 28W - Turn signal (14W x 2)
>
> 115W - Approximate total with all items on.
> 150 W - With the electric vest.

Dana,
Not to be pedantic, but it's the average load that counts, so the brake
light and turn signals pretty much drop out of the equation (otherwise you'd
include the horn, the fan, and the starter, eh?).  On the other hand, the
tail running and license plate lights are constantly on, as is the ignition
system.

But, the bottom line is, guys run electric vests and heated grips all the
time, without trouble.  Arne's fuse mod is highly recommended.

I also brought out a diagnostic lead from the battery, which I can use to
periodically gauge the state of the battery using the mini-DVM I carry.  As
long as your battery is showing in the high 12's, low 13's while putting
around, you should be fine, IMHO.

Cheers
Tom Meagher
Houston TX
A13, 20K



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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:28:22 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR paranoia

In a message dated 03/13/2000 4:49:37 PM Mountain Standard Time, EPhilride
writes:

<<
 >  First, a KLR will show up even the best running airhead.

 KLR lighter and much more dirt worthy, but hit the road and ol' KLR be
sucking wind big time!  Add full luggage for extended trip and KLR's dirt
advantage is not so wide.  Want to carry a passenger and old airhead shine.
Oh, and if it be raining hard, KLR sometimes go - sput-sput-sput-ka-putt.  If
I be riding to to Alaska, BMW 1st choice.  If I be riding o Moab - KLR clear
winner.  If I be trailering to Moab, XR650L be king of the hill.

 >  Second, BMW riders never get nervous, they just open their wallets wider.

 True, wallets must get wide sometimes - but me no smile.  Parts availability
very good for BMW.

 >  Third, This guy is probably crying in his beer as he is about the
experience
 > the lovely world of BMW shaft failure.

 Paralever good for 45-60K miles, $500 to repair.  3 sets chain and sprockets
at $175 each to go 15Kmiles each - about same cost to operate.  But crying
just the same.  Paralever could be, should be, better in terms of reliability.

 Knot  -the defender of Z. Truth. >>

Heh, heh.  Knot, do you really expect me to bite on that response.  The
problem is you can't handle the truth ;-)

Gino  BMW?  Been there, done that, never going back.

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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:32:11 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) FW: round the world GS

In a message dated 03/13/2000 6:36:11 PM Mountain Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Personally though, I still think the '88 through '90 R100GS is the best
 bet. I think it will take more of a beating than the KLR, and experience
 of many travelers has shown that parts can pretty much be had, or
 improvised, almost anywhere. >>

ROTFLMAO!   Woooo.  Frankie almost had to call 911 I was laughing so hard
after I read that one.  Wheew.  This stuff just gets too funny sometimes.

Gino

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