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klr650-digest        Tuesday, January 25 2000        Volume 02 : Number 1369



RE: (klr650) aftermarket exhaust for the KLR
RE: (klr650) synthetic oil yes or no???
Re: (klr650) synthetic oil yes or no???
(klr650) (NKLR) EZ Out... an Oxymoron
(klr650) carb kit ?
Re: (klr650) carb kit ?
(klr650) 500 mile service and warranty??
Re: (klr650) (NKLR) EZ Out... an Oxymoron
(klr650) NKLR- Darien Jacket - Hi-Vis Yellow
RE: (klr650) carb kit ?
RE: (klr650) 500 mile service and warranty??
RE: (klr650) NKLR- Darien Jacket - Hi-Vis Yellow
(klr650) (NKLR) Sheriff?

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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:31:01 -0700
From: Bogdan Swider <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) aftermarket exhaust for the KLR



        >
        > So, which exhaust is going to give the most power at the
quietest sound level
        > and last the longest with the least maintenance.

        The stock one.

        Gino

    Amen Bro.!!! At least until mine starts tweeting which it still
doesn't at 28k miles. Bogdan, Who's still smarting after his relationship
with Ms. SuperCrap/SuperTripe

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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:44:24 -0700
From: Bogdan Swider <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) synthetic oil yes or no???


            Hi All,
            I was thinking about changing to Synthetic oil on my
new KLR650 after break
            in. A friend of mine had some negative comments
about how it effects clutch
            operation. Think its a good idea to switch or not??
            Thanks,
            John Turner

    I use Mobil Uno 15/50 cause...Bike starts easier in the cold (I ride
all year). I feel more confidant riding in extreme heat and engine load.
Every study I've read says synthetic is less subject to breakdown under
those (and any other)conditions. On long trips I don't worry if I put and
extra 1000 or two beyond my normal 3000 change intervals. You can get it
anywhere including many places in Mexico. The young college kid who wrote
that you can buy a center stand or shock with the money you save may do so
but I'll be dead before I recover any significant savings over dino. Bogdan

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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:59:53 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) synthetic oil yes or no???

John Turner writes:

<< I was thinking about changing to Synthetic oil on my new KLR650 after break
 in. A friend of mine had some negative comments about how it effects clutch
 operation. Think its a good idea to switch or not?? >>

Has your friend actually tried synthetic and experienced clutch problems?

I use Mobil 1 15W-50 cage oil in: ST1100 (a torque monster), KLR650, KLX300,
Kawasaki 1500 Drifter (also pretty torquey) and a BMW R100GS/PD (which has a
dry clutch so it couldn't care less what kind of oil I feed it).

John, do as many of us do: spend more on oil than you really need to. You'll
feel all warm, gooey and righteous inside because you'll sense you're doing
something special for your bike. Frankly, it probably doesn't give a damn one
way or the other.

Chris Lawson

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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:04:59 -0800
From: "Darrel & Deanna" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) (NKLR) EZ Out... an Oxymoron

I've seen a "new" kind of extractor at the tool store.  The brand name is
Drill-Out.
It is a drill bit and extractor in one tool.  It has a reverse drill bit on
the end and then
left-handed threaded extractor immediately following.  So It theoretically
would drill the pilot hole, insert extractor and remove screw in one
squeeeze of the drill motor trigger.
Darrel, A12


From: "Di or Eddie C" <[e-mail]>

There are two types of screw extractors that I am familiar with.  Both
require a hole to be drilled in the broken fastener.  One has a square shank
that is tapped into the pre-drilled hole.  The other is a shallow conical
spiral.  Both have a square shank for gripping.


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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:20:17 -0600
From: "Roscoe's Music" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) carb kit ?

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tears on beemers)
Thanks
Roscoe
Roscoe's Music
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 20:01:52 GMT
From: "zootpatutie ." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) carb kit ?

worked for me. i put a K&N filter with a Dyno Jet kit. definitely more pop.
recently i upped the needle from three to four and like the way the bike is
running. (that is when the snow and ice let it run)
todd
A9


>From: "Roscoe's Music" <[e-mail]>
>Reply-To: "Roscoe's Music" <[e-mail]>
>To: "KLR" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: (klr650) carb kit ?
>Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:20:17 -0600
>
>does IT DO ANY GOOD TO PUT IN A JET AND AIR FILTER KIT WITHOUT CHANGING THE
>EXHAUST SYSTEM? Id like more poop but not more noise. (too many tears on
>beemers)
>Thanks
>Roscoe
>Roscoe's Music
>155 W Van Buren
>Eureka Springs Ar
>72632
>501-253-5876
>Open
>Noon till Five
>Central time
>www.roscoesmusic.addr.com

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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:04:07 -0800
From: "Mark Weaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) 500 mile service and warranty??

the local kawa dealers want $150-200 for the 500 mile service. that seems
utterly ridiculous, since as far as i can tell, everything except checking
the valves is easier than easy, and even that doesn't sound all that
incredibly complicated (it also seems like not all dealers bother to check
them). i perused the archives for a while, and it seems like some folks got
away with under $100 for the initial service (which wouldn't be so bad), but
others paid outrageous amounts for poor work, which i'd like to avoid.

does anyone have a good horror story to report about doing their own
service, then having a warranty claim denied? i couldn't find any in the
archives, but maybe i didn't look hard enough. i was thinking of changing
the oil and filters and doing all the relatively simple stuff this weekend,
then checking the valves in a week or so after i get my service manuals. am
i nuts to consider this? it wouldn't bother me if the dealer rate wasn't so
unbelievable. i'd be surprised if it took me (a neophyte to motors) 3 hours
to do the stuff the owner's manual recommends.

- -mark weaver

p.s. sorry if 2 copies made it through. glitch in my email app.


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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:57:44 -0800
From: Tom Myers <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) (NKLR) EZ Out... an Oxymoron

>I've seen a "new" kind of extractor at the tool store.  The brand name is
>Drill-Out.
>It is a drill bit and extractor in one tool.  It has a reverse drill bit on
>the end and then
>left-handed threaded extractor immediately following.  So It theoretically
>would drill the pilot hole, insert extractor and remove screw in one
>squeeeze of the drill motor trigger.

This could work in many instances where the bolt was broken by tension or
fatigue.
But in cases where the bolt was broken by seized threads, my prediction is
it would drill the pilot hole, insert extractor and **break the extractor
in the hole**
in one squeeeze of the drill motor trigger.

Tom

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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 15:39:41 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) NKLR- Darien Jacket - Hi-Vis Yellow

To the collective knowledge base in all of KLR ville:

I'm going to buy a Darien Jacket - maybe.  I fit in the old f**t group and am
trying hard to justify spending $367-500 on a dang jacket.  Heck, ol' Knot
used to race Hodaka Super Rat that didn't cost that much !    If I go with
black, I'm going to look real hard at First Gear Killi - $253 best value.  My
interest in Darien Hi-Vis (bright yellow) is for safety and should be much
cooler in summer (vs. black).  What'ya think?  See below.

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From Aerostich,

> Hi Ernie,
>
>  Thank you for inquiring about our products.
>
>  > 1.  What is your experience with "Cooler in Summer" with Hi-vis?  What
> about
>  > the blue jacket?
>
>  We have only had the Hi-viz out for a year now.  We have not really
>  gotten any feed back on the coolness verses the other colors.  Yes I
>  think black would be your hottest color but we have not done any testing
>  on this.  The jackets are rated for 80-100 degress in hot weather riding
>  in any color, as long as you are dressed for the weather.
>
>  > 2.  How do you keep it clean (black doesn't show grease and grime).
>
>  What I have been told is to spray it down with the UV protectant that we
>  sell when you first get it and this will help somewhat with the dirt
>  setting in.  But you do have to remember it is washable.
>
>  > 3.  Does cleaning degrade the waterproof or abrasion resistance?
>
>  No, as long as you don't wash it every single time that you wear it and
>  also after you have washed it that you spray it down with heavy duty
>  scotchgard to maintain the waterproofness of the jacket it will be just
>  fine.
>
>  > 8.  And last, what about the "Geek" factor?  With the basic black
jacket,
> it
>  > is easier to blend in with the crowd - but high vis !!!  No sneaking
> around
>  > with that screamer on.  What is your Hi-Vis user's experience?
>
>  You are not out there riding to impress anyone, you are out there to be
>  seen so you do not get run over.  Our hi-viz sells like hotcakes.




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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 15:51:07 -0700
From: Bogdan Swider <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) carb kit ?

            ?

            does IT DO ANY GOOD TO PUT IN A JET AND AIR FILTER
KIT WITHOUT CHANGING THE EXHAUST SYSTEM? Id like more poop but not more
noise. (too many tears on beemers)
            Thanks
            Roscoe
    FWIW, Few days ago I was watching American Thunder on Speedvision.
(OK  at that moment I didn't have a life). The were dyno-testing exhaust &
intake modes. The biggest HP & torque gain was registered by modifying the
stock airbox/filter while keeping the stock pipes. They gained a bit by then
going to aftermarket pipes but not much. How exactly that relates to a klr,
I don't know. Bogdan

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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 15:54:17 -0700
From: Bogdan Swider <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) 500 mile service and warranty??


    does anyone have a good horror story to report about doing their own
            service, then having a warranty claim denied?
Seems to me that would depend on the nice guy/asshole quotient of said
dealer. Bogdan

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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:01:11 -0700
From: Bogdan Swider <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) NKLR- Darien Jacket - Hi-Vis Yellow

            should be much
            cooler in summer (vs. black).  What'ya think?

I was also concerned about my Roadcrafter being hot; I wanted black cause it
looks good dirty. I was told it didn't make much difference. Sure enough it
doesn't seen to; I've ridden on many 100 + days. BTW, spring for the
Aerostich. You're dead a long, long time. Bogdan

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Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 00:57:32 GMT
From: "Di or Eddie C" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) (NKLR) Sheriff?

>Uh oh, Jeff & Lisa Walker better get back quick, we may have a new >sheriff
>in town! ;)  Thanks for the info Di or Eddie!

More like Deputy Dawwg.
Where is Jeff anyways?  Exams are over now.
Eddie
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