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klr650-digest        Monday, January 10 2000        Volume 02 : Number 1301



RE: (klr650) Valve Adjustments
Re: (klr650) Valve Adjustments
(klr650) (KLR) CDI Unit problem
Re: (klr650) NKLR Harley Davidson  setting  the  record  straight
Re: (klr650) NKLR Harley Davidson  setting  the  record  straight
(klr650) Bike shipping
Re: (klr650) NKLR Harley Davidson  setting  the  record  straight
RE: (klr650) NKLR Harley Davidson  setting  the  record  straight

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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 08:56:58 -0500
From: [e-mail] (andrew  stanigar)
Subject: RE: (klr650) Valve Adjustments

"Better loose than tight as a rule of thumb"

<< work and he said one of the valves was near minimum speck but to adjust
it
 out would put it too loose because of the shim sizes available.  Apparently
 this is common also.  Next time I'll do them myself. >>

Could some one explain why loose valves are better than tight ones? Thanks.

Andrew


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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 06:45:35 -0800
From: "Fred Hink" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Valve Adjustments

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "andrew stanigar" <[e-mail]>
To: "KLR650" <[e-mail]>
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 5:56 AM
Subject: RE: (klr650) Valve Adjustments


>
> "Better loose than tight as a rule of thumb"
>
> << work and he said one of the valves was near minimum speck but to adjust
> it
>  out would put it too loose because of the shim sizes available.
Apparently
>  this is common also.  Next time I'll do them myself. >>
>
> Could some one explain why loose valves are better than tight ones?
Thanks.
>
> Andrew


Good Question Andrew!

A loose valve clearance will allow the engine to develop less horse power
because the valves are not being held open as far and as long as when then
the valves are adjusted correctly.  They will make noise and could damage
the heads of the valve if run this way for long.

A tight valve keeps the valve from closing completely and will allow burning
gases to erode the valve face and valve seat to where the engine is damaged.

Either situation is not good.  This is why it is better to check the valve
clearances from time to time.  A tight valve will do the damage faster than
a loose valve will.

Fred



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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:25:47 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) (KLR) CDI Unit problem

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Ok folks=2E=2E=2Elisten to this
I told you all about the startin problems last week=2E

Thanks to all for your responses, the problem was with the CDI electronic
ignition unit=2E

Usually this is a piece of equipment that should hardly ever fail=2E The pr=
oblem
with mine was the main lead which fed into the unit, it should be sealed to=
 the
unit, but mine had came away by about a thumbnail thickness=2E
This meant water had got in during heavy rain and blown the unit=2E

Replacing it is not easy, looks like it may have to be shipped from Japan=2E

I would urge everyone to check their own unit, mine's not that old and it s=
hould
not have happened=2E

Oh=2E=2E=2Eand I nearly forgot, the cost, GBP 240 plus tax =3D two hundred=20=
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six pounds =3D about $450=2E
(Had to spell it out to remind myself)=2E

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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 10:53:46 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR Harley Davidson  setting  the  record  straight

I  dont  think  I am the  only  KLR/HD rider  on  the  list, but  I do  all
my  own  wrenchin  on  all  my  vehicles (8)  and  I  work  for  a  living
(tool&die).  I  like  my  HD  because  it  is  AMERICAN  MADE!.  I know
hondas  are  assembled  in ohio, but  what  is  there  american  part
content?  You  will  never  here  me  say  jap  vehicles  are  inferior.  I
have  had  10x  the  problems  with  my  89 harley  than  any  of  my   jap
bikes ( I  have  owned  20 ).  To  set  the  record  straight  the  H-D
craze  is  all about  made  in  america.  Even thou  there  is  25%?  parts
made  elsewhere.

[e-mail]
A-6  12K
FLHS  56K

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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:05:05 -0500
From: Mark McCoy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR Harley Davidson  setting  the  record  straight

Sorry I started bashing.  I really don't have any problem with the bikes but I
can't understand some of the people that buy them because they are lifestyle
accessories and spend more on clothes than they ever will on tires.

As far as the content mix on the bikes Honda makes in Ohio (I live there), I
think it is significant.  There is a Showa facility here and they also make
engines in Ana, Ohio.  I think Honda employs right around half as many people
as GM here, and there are a lot of GM facilities in Ohio (I think 7 business
units just in Dayton, where I live).

Again, sorry I jumped on the bashing, with 56K you obviously ride the thing.
Probably more than I got to ride this year, but that's another story!

MMc

[e-mail] wrote:

> I  dont  think  I am the  only  KLR/HD rider  on  the  list, but  I do  all
> my  own  wrenchin  on  all  my  vehicles (8)  and  I  work  for  a  living
> (tool&die).  I  like  my  HD  because  it  is  AMERICAN  MADE!.  I know
> hondas  are  assembled  in ohio, but  what  is  there  american  part
> content?  You  will  never  here  me  say  jap  vehicles  are  inferior.  I
> have  had  10x  the  problems  with  my  89 harley  than  any  of  my   jap
> bikes ( I  have  owned  20 ).  To  set  the  record  straight  the  H-D
> craze  is  all about  made  in  america.  Even thou  there  is  25%?  parts
> made  elsewhere.
>
> [e-mail]
> A-6  12K
> FLHS  56K


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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 12:01:31 -0500
From: Tom Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Bike shipping

I was hoping to visit my uncle in Redmond WA this May and was hoping to get in
some motorcycling along the way. Who do I call about having my KLR shipped from
SC to WA one way? My plan was to fly out, spend a day or two with my uncle and
then ride back.

Thanks.

- -Tom
'96 KLR 650


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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:51:56 -0700
From: "Steve Anderson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR Harley Davidson  setting  the  record  straight

I couldn't care less where what I buy is built.  I'm not about trying to
inflate some lazy union workers lifestyle.  Regardless, buying a harley
probably makes the marketing guys way more money than it ever helps the guys
building the stuff anyway.  I buy thing based upon  their functionality and
usefulness.  I don't care what anybody else thinks, and I can't help but
laugh when I see the harley guys pull up.  These guys probably don't put
more than a thousand miles a year on those things.  They're just a bunch of
grown-ups, dressing up and playing pretend; they probably really liked
dressing up in those little cowboy outfits when they were kids.  I can't
help but bust up laughing out loud when I see the guys with those dangly
things hanging from the handlebars, that's just like those plastic, colored
danglys the little six year old girls in my neighborhood had on their
bicycles (along with the training wheels) when I was a youngster.

If you want to ride, go out and get a motorcycle and ride.  Don't worry
about some ideology about where it's built.

If you want to dress up and play pretend, go spend enough to buy two or
three motorcycles on one of those junk heaps they call harley, and oh yeah,
don't forget to spend enough for another motorcycle to get all your play
pretend outfits.  Better make sure it's real loud, or people might not
notice your little girl dangly's hanging from the handle bars; it's pretty
obvious that harley guys are very concerned about what others think (can you
say peer pressure?).  Oh by they way, you weren't thinking of riding it were
you?  Better get a motorcycle in addition to the junk heap if you want to
actually go and ride.


Isn't this a listgroup concerning motorcycles?  How come there's all this
stuff concerning harleys then?  Enough (even though I'm pretty sure I just
made myself a target for tons of ignorant comments)


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark McCoy" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Cc: <[e-mail]>; <[e-mail]>
Sent: Monday, 10 January, 2000 9:05
Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR Harley Davidson setting the record straight


Sorry I started bashing.  I really don't have any problem with the bikes but
I
can't understand some of the people that buy them because they are lifestyle
accessories and spend more on clothes than they ever will on tires.

As far as the content mix on the bikes Honda makes in Ohio (I live there), I
think it is significant.  There is a Showa facility here and they also make
engines in Ana, Ohio.  I think Honda employs right around half as many
people
as GM here, and there are a lot of GM facilities in Ohio (I think 7 business
units just in Dayton, where I live).

Again, sorry I jumped on the bashing, with 56K you obviously ride the thing.
Probably more than I got to ride this year, but that's another story!

MMc

[e-mail] wrote:

> I  dont  think  I am the  only  KLR/HD rider  on  the  list, but  I do
all
> my  own  wrenchin  on  all  my  vehicles (8)  and  I  work  for  a  living
> (tool&die).  I  like  my  HD  because  it  is  AMERICAN  MADE!.  I know
> hondas  are  assembled  in ohio, but  what  is  there  american  part
> content?  You  will  never  here  me  say  jap  vehicles  are  inferior.
I
> have  had  10x  the  problems  with  my  89 harley  than  any  of  my
jap
> bikes ( I  have  owned  20 ).  To  set  the  record  straight  the  H-D
> craze  is  all about  made  in  america.  Even thou  there  is  25%?
parts
> made  elsewhere.
>
> [e-mail]
> A-6  12K
> FLHS  56K


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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 10:58:49 -0800
From: "Weaver, Mark" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) NKLR Harley Davidson  setting  the  record  straight

i doubt i'll ever buy a harley (not when bmw, triumph, guzzi, ducati, etc...
all make sweet bikes for less), but i still think they look cool. more
people on motorcycles, even if they're posers, can't be a bad thing. heck,
maybe some of them will pay a little bit more attention on monday-saturday
when they're tooling around in their minivans and lexuses.
- -mark weaver
y2k KLR

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Anderson [mailto:[e-mail]]
> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 10:52 AM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR Harley Davidson setting the record straight
>
>
> I couldn't care less where what I buy is built.  I'm not
> about trying to
> inflate some lazy union workers lifestyle.  Regardless,
> buying a harley
> probably makes the marketing guys way more money than it ever
> helps the guys
> building the stuff anyway.  I buy thing based upon  their
> functionality and
> usefulness.  I don't care what anybody else thinks, and I
> can't help but
> laugh when I see the harley guys pull up.  These guys
> probably don't put
> more than a thousand miles a year on those things.  They're
> just a bunch of
> grown-ups, dressing up and playing pretend; they probably really liked
> dressing up in those little cowboy outfits when they were
> kids.  I can't
> help but bust up laughing out loud when I see the guys with
> those dangly
> things hanging from the handlebars, that's just like those
> plastic, colored
> danglys the little six year old girls in my neighborhood had on their
> bicycles (along with the training wheels) when I was a youngster.
>
> If you want to ride, go out and get a motorcycle and ride.
> Don't worry
> about some ideology about where it's built.
>
> If you want to dress up and play pretend, go spend enough to
> buy two or
> three motorcycles on one of those junk heaps they call
> harley, and oh yeah,
> don't forget to spend enough for another motorcycle to get
> all your play
> pretend outfits.  Better make sure it's real loud, or people might not
> notice your little girl dangly's hanging from the handle
> bars; it's pretty
> obvious that harley guys are very concerned about what others
> think (can you
> say peer pressure?).  Oh by they way, you weren't thinking of
> riding it were
> you?  Better get a motorcycle in addition to the junk heap if
> you want to
> actually go and ride.
>
>
> Isn't this a listgroup concerning motorcycles?  How come
> there's all this
> stuff concerning harleys then?  Enough (even though I'm
> pretty sure I just
> made myself a target for tons of ignorant comments)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark McCoy" <[e-mail]>
> To: <[e-mail]>
> Cc: <[e-mail]>; <[e-mail]>
> Sent: Monday, 10 January, 2000 9:05
> Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR Harley Davidson setting the record straight
>
>
> Sorry I started bashing.  I really don't have any problem
> with the bikes but
> I
> can't understand some of the people that buy them because
> they are lifestyle
> accessories and spend more on clothes than they ever will on tires.
>
> As far as the content mix on the bikes Honda makes in Ohio (I
> live there), I
> think it is significant.  There is a Showa facility here and
> they also make
> engines in Ana, Ohio.  I think Honda employs right around half as many
> people
> as GM here, and there are a lot of GM facilities in Ohio (I
> think 7 business
> units just in Dayton, where I live).
>
> Again, sorry I jumped on the bashing, with 56K you obviously
> ride the thing.
> Probably more than I got to ride this year, but that's another story!
>
> MMc
>
> [e-mail] wrote:
>
> > I  dont  think  I am the  only  KLR/HD rider  on  the
> list, but  I do
> all
> > my  own  wrenchin  on  all  my  vehicles (8)  and  I  work
> for  a  living
> > (tool&die).  I  like  my  HD  because  it  is  AMERICAN
> MADE!.  I know
> > hondas  are  assembled  in ohio, but  what  is  there
> american  part
> > content?  You  will  never  here  me  say  jap  vehicles
> are  inferior.
> I
> > have  had  10x  the  problems  with  my  89 harley  than
> any  of  my
> jap
> > bikes ( I  have  owned  20 ).  To  set  the  record
> straight  the  H-D
> > craze  is  all about  made  in  america.  Even thou  there  is  25%?
> parts
> > made  elsewhere.
> >
> > [e-mail]
> > A-6  12K
> > FLHS  56K
>
>
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