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klr650-digest      Wednesday, December 15 1999      Volume 02 : Number 1230



Re: (klr650) (KLR 650) Break-in
(klr650) The Phoenix/Butterfly thing. nklr
(klr650) RE: Valve adjusts
(klr650) 86  XR600  HONDA
(klr650) PLASTIC/TANK RETROFIT KIT?
RE: (klr650) (KLR 650) Break-in
(klr650) Re: klr650-digest V2 #1229
RE: (klr650) RE: Valve adjusts
RE: (klr650) Absolutely KLR. I say we vote on it.
Re: (klr650) (KLR 650) Break-in
Re: (klr650) Re: Bags, bags, bags (and Florida prices)
Re: (klr650) (KLR 650) Break-in
Re: (klr650) 86  XR600  HONDA NKLR
Re: (klr650) PLASTIC/TANK RETROFIT KIT?
(klr650) Velve adjustment: Cont ...
Re: (klr650) RE: Valve adjusting tool
Re: (klr650) (KLR 650) Break-in

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:58:06 -0500
From: Stuart Heaslet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) (KLR 650) Break-in

At 07:25 AM 12/15/99 -0600, Larry & Mary Jayne Smith wrote:
>The head mechanic at the dealership where I bought it
>says that I should bring it in at 800-1000 miles instead of the 500
>suggested by Kawasaki.  He also says that valve adjustment would only be
>necessary if it sounded like they needed it.

Go by the book.  And the question is, how on earth can the mechanic know
the valves are in spec just by listening to them?

Stuart
A12

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 06:13:12 -0800
From: Tobin Lampson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) The Phoenix/Butterfly thing. nklr

Russelr',
    I bet when you said 'Let the flames begin!' you never expected
Arne to be winding up the thread with something like:
    'Now that there has shown(to be) a real need for in-depth discussion on
land use issues and the politics involved in addressing them, Vik has
started a new list for those interested in pursuing that.'

I Ditto Fireballs.....'Yeeeehawwww!    This is the way the List outa
be!'

Finally, we have the Transformation of the Butterfly!
The ugly beginning turns into a beautiful mandala!!!!! Zen woooooooooo
I think I'll go riding in the idyllic So Cal weather and smell the
roses.........

Lemme hear ya say 'Amen' Rev.!

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 06:54:14 -0500
From: "Eric Jasniewicz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) RE: Valve adjusts

> Has anyone every
> tried the old Suzuki Valve compressor on a KLR? I used to have a Suzuki
> Shim set and it was not a problem to just put the lobes in the right
> spot, slip the tool in there and compress the valve and get the shim out
> with tweezers/magnet/etc. and slip another in place.

PLEASE provide more info!  I never heard of this tool.  Sounds very useful.



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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:42:05 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) 86  XR600  HONDA

HOW  MUCH  IS  A  86  HONDA  XR  600   2800MI  EXCELLANT  COND.  WORTH?

              HDKLR@AOL
              A-6  12K
              89FLHS  56K
              I  HAVE  OWNED  25  MOTORCYCLES  (KLR  IS  MY  FAVORITE)

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:07:05 -0600
From: "Michael Campbell (EUS)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) PLASTIC/TANK RETROFIT KIT?

Hello All,
I remember that a little while back someone said that Dualstar (I think) was
going to put together a package of tank,plastic, etc. for retrofitting older
KLR's.  Anyone know what this costs?  The tank on my A1 has been brazed
twice (before I got it), and it has me a little worried.  Also, anyone know
of an aftermarked plastic tank which would work and have the same or greater
capacity?

Thanks!
Mike Campbell


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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:15:35 -0700
From: Bogdan Swider <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) (KLR 650) Break-in

    Larry & Mary Jayne Smith wrote:
    >The head mechanic at the dealership where I bought it
    >says that I should bring it in at 800-1000 miles instead of the 500
    >suggested by Kawasaki.  He also says that valve adjustment would
only be
    >necessary if it sounded like they needed it.

    Go by the book.  And the question is, how on earth can the mechanic
know
    the valves are in spec just by listening to them?

    Stuart
    A12

    This guy's got a great ear; no brains and/or no conscience but a
great ear. Actually HE sounds like a flaming asshole (don't like that mental
picture). Friend Larry, I strongly advise you to find another shop or do the
job yourself. He won't do the job right or won't do it at all and charge you
for it. Plenty of documentation on the list of such behavior. The first
adjustment is the most important; the second a bit less important, and so
the curve flattens. Was there enough info in that chatter? Bogdan

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:18:10 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) Re: klr650-digest V2 #1229

In a message dated 12/15/99 5:57:14 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> The KLR650 list will stay as is

Amen! I have been a digest subscriber since the list started. I have read
through all of the emotional discussions including the latest one. I usually
just wait to see where we are going next.

Arne, you are doing a fantastic job with very little thanks. You need to know
that we all appreciate it. Should this list get away from the primary topic
of KLRs, I'm sure that a new one would spin off to take care of those of us
who are after that specific information.

Hope we can learn to get along.

Gary B.
A10 "Boat"

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:17:41 -0700
From: Bogdan Swider <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) RE: Valve adjusts


    > Has anyone every
    > tried the old Suzuki Valve compressor on a KLR

    PLEASE provide more info!  I never heard of this tool.  Sounds very
useful.


    Me too!! I want to know too!!  Bogdan

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:21:45 -0700
From: Bogdan Swider <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) Absolutely KLR. I say we vote on it.


    I know by saying this I have angered and disappointed some of you...
At the
    same time, there will be others who think I'm the greatest guy in
the world.

    Good cop, bad cop. Chatter, chatter. Bogdan

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:26:21 -0800
From: "Vik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) (KLR 650) Break-in

Ditto and either watch him do it of mark the valve covers so you know he
actually did the valve inspec/adjust - a number of members including myself
suspect many shops are just charging for the valve work and not doing it.
If you are at all familiar with motorcycles I would book a valve adjust when
your first service is due and then ask them to look over the bike while they
are at it - you just might get them thinking outside the tiny box they are
in...=)

Cheers,
Vik


- -----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Heaslet <[e-mail]>
To: Larry & Mary Jayne Smith <[e-mail]>; KLR 650 mailing list
<[e-mail]>
Date: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 5:57 AM
Subject: Re: (klr650) (KLR 650) Break-in


>At 07:25 AM 12/15/99 -0600, Larry & Mary Jayne Smith wrote:
>>The head mechanic at the dealership where I bought it
>>says that I should bring it in at 800-1000 miles instead of the 500
>>suggested by Kawasaki.  He also says that valve adjustment would only be
>>necessary if it sounded like they needed it.
>
>Go by the book.  And the question is, how on earth can the mechanic know
>the valves are in spec just by listening to them?
>
>Stuart
>A12
>
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>http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650
>Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to [e-mail]
>for info.


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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:28:07 -0700
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Bags, bags, bags (and Florida prices)

> Perhaps the geographic areas that experience winter slowdowns tend to
sell
> bikes at lower prices? Anybody notice this trend?
> I should buy a used bike in KC over Xmas and drive it back to Florida
to
> sell it for a small profit.

no, I don't think the winter slowdown is the deciding factor but more
generally I think you're right...geographical regions have entirely
different experiences with KLR sales. Bottomline is some dealers can get
way above list and live themselves and others will discount. It is truly
shoppers' beware. In Salt Lake City, one dealer deals the other doesn't.
That's just the way it is....

Kurt


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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:36:54 -0700
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) (KLR 650) Break-in

> I'm new to the list and new to the KLR 650.  I have 300 miles on an
A-14
> at this point.  The head mechanic at the dealership where I bought it
> says that I should bring it in at 800-1000 miles instead of the 500
> suggested by Kawasaki

Many listers have had this experience. Even more, some dealers will
agree to check the valves and not do it. The archives contain many
examples. If you're interested in keeping your bike in top shape follow
the break-in procedures and have your valves checked at 500 miles. I
drive like a gandpa (I'm old enough to be one) checked mine at 500,
1500, 3500, and 7000 miles and had tight valves on all but 3500 miles.
Ask him to record the clearances on each valve so you can monitor their
progress.

Kurt Simpson


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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:30:48 -0700
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) 86  XR600  HONDA NKLR

> HOW  MUCH  IS  A  86  HONDA  XR  600   2800MI  EXCELLANT  COND.
WORTH?
>
>               HDKLR@AOL
>               A-6  12K
>               89FLHS  56K
>               I  HAVE  OWNED  25  MOTORCYCLES  (KLR  IS  MY  FAVORITE)


it depends entirely on its condition, here in Utah I would expect a good
example to go from $850-$1,750...prices have been substantially lower
the last two years. Fred? It has an odometer?

Kurt



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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:01:28 -0700
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) PLASTIC/TANK RETROFIT KIT?

> I remember that a little while back someone said that Dualstar (I
think) was
> going to put together a package of tank,plastic, etc. for retrofitting
older
> KLR's.  Anyone know what this costs?  The tank on my A1 has been
brazed
> twice (before I got it), and it has me a little worried.  Also, anyone
know
> of an aftermarked plastic tank which would work and have the same or
greater
> capacity?
>
> Thanks!
> Mike Campbell

Hi Mike, no, you'll just have to call DualStar and hope you can get
through to Mike and see what he's got. IMS makes a plastic tank for the
KLR. It is slightly less in capacity...Fred can get it for you.

Kurt


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Date: 15 Dec 99 11:35:00 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) Velve adjustment: Cont ...

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       Hi there;
       Thanx for Your input guys .. special Thanx for Bogdan Swider...
       by the way isn't it because Your last name Mr.Bodgan ... thus
       Swider  translates loosely from polish as a  DRILL BIT .. and
       as your name suggest You ALWAYS get to the core of the problem
       with so graceful easy.. :-) ...
       Here is what I have done:
       1. I run both bikes for about 150 miles .. (various rpm)
       2. readjusted cam chain tensioner .. (just in case)
       3. I have got to the valves again to recheck their clearances
       .. --- They are almost perfectly lying in the middle of the
       spec...
       4. put everything back together ...
       5. Enjoyed priceless peace .. :-)

       Findings:
       --- it seems clear to me that a new KLR is sold with the valve
       clearance set right on the middle ( or somewhere near that
       point) - quite understandable taking under consideration strict
       quality control at the assembly line ... MANY OF YOU NOTICED
       THAT CLICKING NOISE I WAS BLABBING ABOUT ---AND I REMEMBER THIS
       NOISE MYSELF.
       --- after ~500 initial miles ... valves got settle down in
       their seats ... reducing clearance --->( actually bringing
       clearance down to the "tight side" of the spec)
            NOISE IS GONE OR GREATLY REDUCED -->MANY OD YOU INCLUDING
       ME, appreciated that change ---> but it does not seem to be "a
       perfectly good sign"
       --- CHECK< CHECK < CHECK YOUR VALVE CLEARANCE .... SIMPLE AND
       VERY EDUCATIVE EXPERIENCE ..... and keep it where it supposed
       to be ... then your very own ONE MAN CARAVAN (KLR650) ... will
       take You around a Globe .... Just let her be herself ... :-)

       ps.... I can't see how You can use valve compressor on KLR ...
       beside .. shim exchange is so simple that ANY convenience from
       using valve compressor should not justify carrying an extra
       tool with You ...  ---> just my personal opinion :-)

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:18:37 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) RE: Valve adjusting tool

> Has anyone every
    > tried the old Suzuki Valve compressor on a KLR
    <PLEASE provide more info!  I never heard of this tool.  Sounds very
useful.>
I believe that JC Whitney MC catalog has such a tool listed and one is
Kawasaki specific. Don't have catalog with me so can't give catalog # or page
#. If anyone tries it please advise the list as I was/am curious myself. It
is really a simple lever device with a curve and hook on the end that would
seem to depress the valve so that shims could be removed without taking cam
off. Jim-A13-Cocoa

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:27:46 -0800
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) (KLR 650) Break-in

From: Stuart Heaslet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) (KLR 650) Break-in


> At 07:25 AM 12/15/99 -0600, Larry & Mary Jayne Smith wrote:
> >The head mechanic at the dealership where I bought it
> >says that I should bring it in at 800-1000 miles instead of the 500
> >suggested by Kawasaki.  He also says that valve adjustment would only be
> >necessary if it sounded like they needed it.
>
> Go by the book.  And the question is, how on earth can the mechanic know
> the valves are in spec just by listening to them?
>
> Stuart
> A12

I second this!  The cost of checking is always less than the cost of fixing.

Arne



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