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klr650-digest        Tuesday, December 7 1999        Volume 02 : Number 1209



(klr650) NKLR Roadless Areas
Re: (klr650) Re:  Paint vs anodizing NKLR
Re: (klr650) Tuning Questions
Re: (klr650) List
Re: (klr650) Marine diesel KLR650s
Re: (klr650) Marine diesel KLR650s
Re: (klr650) New here
(klr650) Look what Gino did...NKLR
(klr650) Happy Holidays to everybody on the LIST !
Re: (klr650) New here NKLR
Re: (klr650) New here NKLR
(klr650) Now it Runs
Re: (klr650) Re:  Paint vs anodizing NKLR
Re: (klr650) New here
Re: (klr650) Now it Runs
Re: (klr650) Look what Gino did...NKLR

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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 23:35:24 GMT
From: "tom stone" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) NKLR Roadless Areas

Please take a moment to voice your opinion of the Clinton Roadless Area
initiative.  All comments are considered a part of the public record.
Opinions can be e-mailed to: roadlessareasnoi/[e-mail].  You
can also contact the commander & cheif directly at [e-mail]
or Algore at [e-mail].

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:46:42 -0500
From: "Tom Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Re:  Paint vs anodizing NKLR

- -----Original Message-----
From: Arne Larsen <[e-mail]>
To: KLR Dudes and Dudettes <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 5:43 AM
Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Paint vs anodizing NKLR


>From: Tom Simpson <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Paint vs anodizing
>
>
>> The most corrosion resistant combination I can think of for steel parts
>> that the average guy can do at home is to parkerize them and then apply
>> a bake-on enamel of some sort.
>
>> -Tom
>> '96 KLR 650
>
>Excuse my ignorance, but what is "parkerizing"?



    It's a chemical process that lightly etches the steel and deposits a
thin coating of a phosphate compound, manganese phosphate being a common
one. Common applications are firearms and certain older model Harley
Davidson restorations. Common colors are flat gray and  charcoal black. The
etched, matte surface o0f the parkerizing leaves a very good surface for
bonding of the subsequent coats of enamel (laquer, actualy) , which are then
baked in an oven. The stuff I use calls for three thin coats with ten min.
drying in between coats, then baking at 350 deg F for 35 min. This
combination is very, very tough to beat in my experience.

    As for aluminum, the other listers statement about the enamel on
aluminum is true: you can probably get much better adhesion by using the
approaches he outlined However, for many applications the Brownell's Baking
Laquer I use sticks to beat-blasted and preheated aluminum well enough for
many  applications.


- -Tom
'96 KLR 650


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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 17:48:40 -0600
From: Alan L Henderson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Tuning Questions

>>Second, tuning.  I noticed after my ride that the rear fender near the pipe
>>had quite a lot of soot on it.  I guess this indicates it is running rich?
>>
>mine shows some soot at the rear fender too after dyna jetting and k&n with
>the stock muffler.  runs great. pulled the plug to find some soot at the
>base but clean electrode.  running the 140 jet and moved the needle setting
>from 3 to 4 just for fun (and to experiment with smoother performance at 3K
>rpm). roads have been icey so will test it wed. in the forest.
>

Not to worry. My bike is completly stock and at interstate speeds with a
full load, so I am running mostly on the main jet, I get soot on the Happy
Trails rack and rear fender. I think the main jet is a little rich in stock
form. This was riding from central Iowa out to Denver and back.
           Alan Henderson A13 Iowa the only way I am associated with
richness

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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 17:56:35 -0600
From: Alan L Henderson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) List

At 09:52 AM 12/7/1999 -0600, you wrote:
>How do I get off of the KLR list?
>
Stop. Put your foot on the ground. Swing the other leg over and dismount.  :)

The info you desire is in the first message you recieved from the group.
          Alan Henderson A13 Iowa who sometimes dismounts without stopping
or putting the foot down

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:33:07 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) Marine diesel KLR650s

Well Kawasaki is bringing out a diesel Mule and Polaris is bringing out a
diesel Quad so maybe this is a sign of things to come in 2001.  Must be great
fuel mileage.

Larry

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:38:46 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) Marine diesel KLR650s

In a message dated 12/7/99 6:34:38 PM Central Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> Well Kawasaki is bringing out a diesel Mule and Polaris is bringing out a
>  diesel Quad so maybe this is a sign of things to come in 2001.  Must be
> great
>  fuel mileage.
IT WILL be great fuel mileage, but more importantly is that it will be great
torque.  Diesels deliver torque far better than gasoline powered engines of
similiar displacement and horsepower.

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:02:07 -0500
From: "Steve Secrest" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) New here

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "zootpatutie ." <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 1:13 AM
Subject: Re: (klr650) New here


> kickstart kits are an option for pre 96 models.  since you can push start
a
> dead battery (don't ask me how i know), there is question as to how
> important it is.

So I take what you're saying is one couldn't install the pre 96 option on a
2000 model?
I know how you know <G> While touring the Blue Ridge Parkway and the east
coast during the month of Feburary, the temps never got above 35. I was
looking like a freak genetic
cross between Pilsbury and Michelin .... I don't think I could have push
started. The kicker
came in handy as all I had to do was catch it with my boot as I got on and
it fired right up.

Steve in Cincy



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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:08:06 -0700
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Look what Gino did...NKLR

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 1999 8:16 PM
Subject: This may be your bike


> Did the Toys for Tots toy run today.  It was freezing, heck it was
below
> freezing out there.  I took a BMW R1150GS out for a spin ( I also
confiscated
> all photographs that were taken).  This may be the bike for you.  It
runs and
> shifts better than I remember my R1100GS did.  Plenti-o-power, but my
ZRX
> would dust it easily ;-)  I think it wold be worth a look for you.  I
also
> talked with a couple  that had a Bandit 1200 with a tall wind screen
and Givi
> luggage. Thay have 30K miles and the Bandito and the only thing that
has
> happened to it was a burned out turn signal bulb.  It was a very good
looking
> machine the way it was set up and the lady said the Corbin seat with
back
> rest was very nice.  Hope all is well.
>
> Gino
>


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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:12:30 -0700
From: Istvan Szlany <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Happy Holidays to everybody on the LIST !

Dear Friends,


I've been lurking in the background (digest mode) for quite a while because
work has been overwhelming.  Now I will be on vacation, travelling to
Europe, and back only sometimes mid-January.

I just wanted to wish you guys a safe and happy Christmas, if you still
ride, watch out for those icy spots (I almost fell last week, damn it!) and
have a wonderful, successful, healthy, joyful, etc. next thousand years!

Many happy kilometres!

cheers,


                istvan

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:24:05 -0500
From: "Steve Secrest" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) New here NKLR

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: (klr650) New here NKLR
> > how the helmet
> > thing got in here but I've always done that too.
> >
> > Steve in Cincy
>
> Sounds like he's got yopu mixed up with someone else... =^)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Arne

I knew that! Was kinda funny tho ... had to go read my own post over to be
sure <LOL>


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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:47:54 -0500
From: "Steve Secrest" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) New here NKLR

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "ron criswell" <[e-mail]>
To: "Steve Secrest" <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: (klr650) New here NKLR


> Scuse me Steve, didn't mean you personally. Down here we always have
Harley
> types lurking around expounding on their limited knowledge of
motorcycling. I
> didn't mean you were of this group. I 'm sure they dom't even realize your
> Goldwing is more American made than a Sportster. Guess I ought to explain
> meself better. Just rattling. I 'm sure you have run across a Harley dude
> that  tries to tell you what is PC in motorcycling.
>
> Ron Criswell


I don't hang around that crowd much but I know what your talking about. My
Wing is built
in America, the fit and finish proves it(YUK). As a matter-o-fact, it's made
in Ohio just a
couple of hours from here. I didn't take your note personally ... takes a
LOT more than that
to get to me <G>!

BTW .... just got off the phone with a buyer for the Wing!!! Looks like the
KLR is just around
the corner .... 'course, there IS that XR650L sitting at a dealer between me
and the KLR.

Do you know of any comparisons between the two? I'm really itching for the
XR as bad as
for the KLR.


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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 18:13:26 -0800
From: George Basinet <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Now it Runs

Marvelous Mavens

Many thanks to Richard, Kurt, Arne, Fredboe, Bill, Tom, Wayne and
anyone else who helped with my carb problem.  Took a 160 mile ride out
to the desert and it ran great. Both bikes are running at the same
time, it doesn't get much better.

George (Thankfully)
Escondido, CA





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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:24:58 -0800
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Re:  Paint vs anodizing NKLR

- ----- > >Excuse my ignorance, but what is "parkerizing"?
>
>     It's a chemical process that lightly etches the steel and deposits a
> thin coating of a phosphate compound, manganese phosphate being a common
> one. Common applications are firearms and certain older model Harley
> Davidson restorations. Common colors are flat gray and  charcoal black.
The
> etched, matte surface o0f the parkerizing leaves a very good surface for
> bonding of the subsequent coats of enamel (laquer, actualy) , which are
then
> baked in an oven. The stuff I use calls for three thin coats with ten min.
> drying in between coats, then baking at 350 deg F for 35 min. This
> combination is very, very tough to beat in my experience.
>
>     As for aluminum, the other listers statement about the enamel on
> aluminum is true: you can probably get much better adhesion by using the
> approaches he outlined However, for many applications the Brownell's
Baking
> Laquer I use sticks to beat-blasted and preheated aluminum well enough for
> many  applications.

Thanks for the info Tom (and everyone else).  I've heard that acid etching
aluminum is also a good prep for pre-painting.

Cheers,

Arne



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Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 02:23:11 GMT
From: "zootpatutie ." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) New here

>From: "Steve Secrest" <[e-mail]>
>Reply-To: "Steve Secrest" <[e-mail]>
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: (klr650) New here
>Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:02:07 -0500
>

> > kickstart kits are an option for pre 96 models.  since you can push
>start
>a
> > dead battery (don't ask me how i know), there is question as to how
> > important it is.
>
>So I take what you're saying is one couldn't install the pre 96 option on a
>2000 model?

nope

>.... I don't think I could have push
>started. The kicker
>came in handy as all I had to do was catch it with my boot as I got on and
>it fired right up.
>
>Steve in Cincy
>
my experience came scouting elk on a private ranch in eastern oregon.
battery dead when i stopped for gas some harley riders had their kid give me
the first push. after that it was horsing the beast around to get downhill
after dumping on trackless downslopes, or running prayer on near flat roads.
damn tiring but i got good at fading the clutch. would have liked the
kickstart but don't know yet that it's worth the investment. made it home.
:)
>
>
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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:14:07 -0800
From: "billmonahan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Now it Runs

Took a 160 mile ride out
> to the desert and it ran great. Both bikes are running at the same
> time, it doesn't get much better.
>
>
Well, George,.......what was it? (causing the non-running motor?)



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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:32:19 -0800
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Look what Gino did...NKLR

From: Kurt Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Look what Gino did...NKLR


> >  I also talked with a couple  that had a Bandit 1200 with a tall wind
screen
> >  and Givi luggage. Thay have 30K miles and the Bandito and the only
thing that
> >  has happened to it was a burned out turn signal bulb.  It was a very
good
> >  looking machine the way it was set up and the lady said the Corbin seat
with
> >  back rest was very nice.  Hope all is well.

I said pardon?  Is this the same Gino that said, "Bandit, puleeez give me a
break", when I suggested it a couple months back as a sport tourer?  =^)

The list kept him sharp... he's obviously softened up since his departure.
lol

Cheers,

Arne


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