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klr650-digest          Friday, March 12 1999          Volume 02 : Number 120




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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:43:08 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) Fw:N KLR breakdowns

In a message dated 3/12/99 11:00:54 AM Central Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Where are you going the moon? Your chain & sprockets won't fail suddenly;
 that's an awful lot to lug around >>
I guess, I've read too much Ted Simon and Danny Liska!

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:52:26 -0500
From: "Steamroller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Dimensionally Challenged

Will it fit??? Anything will fit, if your desparate enough. Back in my
"younger" days. I had an XT500 and a 1968 Chevy Nomad station wagon. To get
it where we rode, we laid that sucker on it's side and shoved it in the
back. OKayyyyy!!! so it leaked a little gas.....and oil.....and
flooded.......and took aloooong time to start......but we were 16/17/18
years old and we wanted to RIDE!!! Then I matured over the past 18 years,
just a little bit. More bikes and transporters (vans, mostly) later, we hit
on this idea: Using ratchet straps we put one hook on the front axle shaft
 depending on the bike) one hook over the handlebar and back down to the
other side of the axle, squashed the frontend with our body weight. Then we
ratcheted it down to bottom. We did a similar deal with the rear, hooking
one aroung the swing arm to itself, looping over the seat to the other side.
When all this was done, the bikes were short enough to be wheeled into the
back of a full-size van. we used to load 3 bikes this way into one van. The
first 2 in forwards, one on each side, one backwards in the middle.
Lots of fun, really. Now in my more "mature" age (33) if we don't ride
there, we use open bed pickups or trailers. Damn trailer worth every penny,
heh heh heh.
Good luck, NY Pete
- -----Original Message-----
From: Philip Allen <[e-mail]>
To: List KLR <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, March 11, 1999 7:46 AM
Subject: (klr650) Dimensionally Challenged


>I hope the collective group wisdom can help me out. On the specs for the
new
>KLR 650 the wheelbase is listed as 58.9". Is this measured from the point
>where the tyres touch the ground or from the longest point from the front
of
>the front tyre to the rear of the back tyre? Also what is the total height
>of the bike without mirrors- I guess from the top of the windshield to the
>floor?
>
>Alternatively you could just put me out of my misery and tell me if the KLR
>will fit inside an late model Astro/Safari van.
>
>Keep the interesting posts coming- this is a great resource.
>
>Cheers
>
>Phil
>
>

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:52:46 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) Questions, Questions, Questions - KLR

In a message dated 3/12/99 11:44:17 AM Central Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Most laws of physics become unreliable as you approach infinity so I'd not
 even hazard a guess about an infinite rotor >>
Vik, Chris et al, I did flunk Physics, so I can't figure out how a bigger
rotor can stop any quicker without an increase in braking area (pads),  isn't
that why the really big boys use 6 piston calipers to increase pressure and
area of contact?I promise to drop this question after this. Frank

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:57:00 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR Moron Mechanics.... was NKLR breakdowns

In a message dated 3/12/99 11:48:35 AM Central Standard Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< At 10:01 AM 3/12/99, Bogdan Swider wrote:
 >Where are you going the moon? Your chain & sprockets won't fail
 >suddenly........ >>
Bogdan, I suspect that the chain and sprockets won't fail suddenly, but I
don't want to go shopping for 520X106 O ring chain in Ushuaia one sunday with
a 250 mile per day schedule, and I'd rather be heavy than stranded.

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:02:05 -0800
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Re: KLR list ettiquette, etc.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Eric Jasniewicz <[e-mail]>
To: Arne Larsen <[e-mail]>
Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 5:28 AM
Subject: KLR list ettiquette, etc.


>Arne,
>
>Don't let anyone on this list bother you.  I slowly learned this over time.
>This list is probably the "kindest" group of folks I've run into.  Try
>asking a simple question on usenet if you REALLY want to see some
>inflammatory comments and suggestions! ;)
>
>Actually, some time ago I unsubscribed for a while as I was getting rather
>irritated.  We're all here to have fun aren't we?  So I took a break for a
>little while, then got back in.  The great thing is you can search the
>archives thanks to Kurt.
>
>If you don't buy a KLR by the end of the week, we are all going to show up
>at your door next weekend and drag you to a dealer with your checkbook!!!
;)


Thanks Eric.  BTW 99 03 12 @ 1300 hrs - A13 (used -  with only 27 kilometers
<big grin>)

Arne

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:05:11 -0500
From: "Steamroller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Battery tender converter...NKLR

I've done this very thing for my bikes. We have 5 now. All except the XR 80
(kickstart) need battery maintenence. I bought male/female plugs from my
local truckstop, they seem a bit heavier duty then whats availiable at
Walmart, made(?) sold by Bartran. I've soldered a female end to heavier duty
eyelets, sized to mount to the battery and sealed the joint. Mounted them
onto the batt. in question, and used a suitable sized rubber stopper to seal
the socket when not in use. The one male end, I soldered to my trickle
charger, and use a 2amp. fuse in the plug (cheap insurance). Now, what ever
bike not being used is put on charge. When all 4 are out-of-service, as in
winter, I charge "round-robin" fashion, each battery going "on charge" about
once every 4 days. This worked out well so far. As long as I watch the fluid
and don't forget to put my keys to *OFF* and not *PARK*, my batts. lasts a
long time.
Best of luck, NY Pete
- -----Original Message-----
From: Arne Larsen <[e-mail]>
To: Kurt Simpson <[e-mail]>; List KLR <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, March 11, 1999 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: (klr650) Battery tender converter...NKLR


>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kurt Simpson <[e-mail]>
>To: List KLR <[e-mail]>
>Cc: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Date: Thursday, March 11, 1999 3:55 AM
>Subject: (klr650) Battery tender converter...NKLR
>
>
>>Does anyone know if I can get or make a converter for my battery tender
>plug (the
>>part that installs to the battery) with the battery tender two prong on
one
>end and a
>>standard cigarette lighter plug on the other? The idea is that I would
have
>only one
>>accessory cable (the battery tender) with an adaptor for other stuff...
>>
>>Is the cigarette lighter accessory plug the standard for accessories like
>heated
>>vests, grips, etc. I just took a glance at my Garmin plug and that is what
>it appears
>>to be...
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Kurt
>>
>
>I would lose the two-prong all together.  Unless you want to be able to
plug
>into other peoples tenders, I would just adapt the connection at both
ends -
>female cigarette plug on the bike, and a male plug on the charger.  This
>would keep it simple and the one plug could serve multiple purposes.
Unless
>the charging current is too heavy for the plug, but at 1 amp I can't see
>that being a problem.
>
>Arne
>
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:16:55 -0500
From: "Stephen Rivett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Insurance (WA)(NKLR)

I "think" the same rules apply here in Ontario too.  I've seen a few offroad
bikes with plates on them but I've never bothered to get one.  It may be law
to have a motorcycles drivers license (for off roading)  too but I don't
really care about that law either.  As long as you keep to trails that
aren't patrolled you should be okay.  There are too other things that we, as
off road enthusiasts, should also consider.  The first one being that "The
Sierra Club" should be crushed immediately.  Their mandate is to ban all
modes of transportation except for walking on public property.  The other is
the issue of trail clubs.  I know a lot of you will probably disagree with
me but please don't flame me.  They should be stopped for a number of
reasons.  All I see them doing is increasing the amount of trafic on once
tranquile trails and making us pay to use Crown Land (public property).  The
trail maintenance part is a non issue, I keep a saw and axe on my
snowmachine to clear anything on the trail and expect everybody else to do
the same.  I can't afford to pay 150$ just to use a trail that I could have
used anyway.  Stephen Rivett


- -----Original Message-----
From: Steamroller <[e-mail]>
To: Tom Myers <[e-mail]>; [e-mail]
<[e-mail]>
Date: March 12, 1999 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: (klr650) Insurance (WA)(NKLR)


>I thought it bad in New York. We have insurance requirements similar here.
>Regardless of displacement or street legality, all vehicles must insured
and
>plated. That goes for all ATV's, except those used for snowplowing on one's
>own property. I even have to insure my 9 yr son's XR80, even though 1- he's
>nine, 2- it can never be ridden on, across or on the shoulder on any road.
>I am insuring and plating it so we can use "LEGAL" riding areas in
>neighboring states, as there are NO LEGAL AREAS in my own state, even
though
>that is one of the reasons for the plating policy on ORV's.
>SDDS, same deal, different state.
>Do we follow all the rules??? Aside from ATV's used for hunting, most never
>get registered. They just don't enforce their rules (yet).
>NY Pete

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:37:06 -0500
From: "Steamroller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Insurance (WA)(NKLR)

Amazing isn't it? A very small minority who contribute no financials to the
economy as a group or society except to promote there own agenda, but they
get their way because they scream the loudest.
Anybody willing to damage/destroy other peoples property, willing to stretch
wire across trails, dig pits, and CUT DOWN TREES to block LEGAL ACCESS is
full of s...

- -----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Rivett <[e-mail]>
To: KLR650-List <[e-mail]>
Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: (klr650) Insurance (WA)(NKLR)


>I "think" the same rules apply here in Ontario too.  I've seen a few
offroad
>bikes with plates on them but I've never bothered to get one.  It may be
law
>to have a motorcycles drivers license (for off roading)  too but I don't
>really care about that law either.  As long as you keep to trails that
>aren't patrolled you should be okay.  There are too other things that we,
as
>off road enthusiasts, should also consider.  The first one being that "The
>Sierra Club" should be crushed immediately.  Their mandate is to ban all
>modes of transportation except for walking on public property.  The other
is
>the issue of trail clubs.  I know a lot of you will probably disagree with
>me but please don't flame me.  They should be stopped for a number of
>reasons.  All I see them doing is increasing the amount of trafic on once
>tranquile trails and making us pay to use Crown Land (public property).
The
>trail maintenance part is a non issue, I keep a saw and axe on my
>snowmachine to clear anything on the trail and expect everybody else to do
>the same.  I can't afford to pay 150$ just to use a trail that I could have
>used anyway.  Stephen Rivett
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Steamroller <[e-mail]>
>To: Tom Myers <[e-mail]>; [e-mail]
><[e-mail]>
>Date: March 12, 1999 5:33 PM
>Subject: Re: (klr650) Insurance (WA)(NKLR)
>
>
>>I thought it bad in New York. We have insurance requirements similar here.
>>Regardless of displacement or street legality, all vehicles must insured
>and
>>plated. That goes for all ATV's, except those used for snowplowing on
one's
>>own property. I even have to insure my 9 yr son's XR80, even though 1-
he's
>>nine, 2- it can never be ridden on, across or on the shoulder on any road.
>>I am insuring and plating it so we can use "LEGAL" riding areas in
>>neighboring states, as there are NO LEGAL AREAS in my own state, even
>though
>>that is one of the reasons for the plating policy on ORV's.
>>SDDS, same deal, different state.
>>Do we follow all the rules??? Aside from ATV's used for hunting, most
never
>>get registered. They just don't enforce their rules (yet).
>>NY Pete
>
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:43:13 -0800
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650)  - Driving MR. Michael NUTS

- -----Original Message-----
From: Kurt Simpson <[e-mail]>
To: Arne Larsen <[e-mail]>
Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 4:42 AM
Subject: Re: (klr650) - Driving MR. Michael NUTS



>Arne, please stay calm...you are a good contributor alreay and are asking
excellent
>questions that benefit everyone...I hope you realize I was just
teasing...I'd like to
>think Mr. Michael was also jesting but it is hard to tell I agree...just
keep on
>keeping on...don't get riled...this is a friendly place...
>
>Peace my friend,
>
>Kurt

Thanks Kurt.  I don't mind being teased at all.  I have a sense of humor too
(I'm a cop, it's a definite necessity) but I don't think the other fellow
was teasing - he was serious.  There were two postings from him - the first
a legitimate response to my warranty question.  But in his following message
I believe he turned after realizing that it was me again asking the
question.  I think he's saying that if he would have realized it was me
before initially responding, he wouldn't have made the first post, but
instead say what he then did.

I've had other positive off-list mail from others here in response to this,
and all is well.  This in an excellent group and my jets have cooled.

Also, speaking of cooled, so has that burning sensation in my pocket...  I
bought a used A13 today with a whopping 27 kilometers (18 miles) on it.  I'm
pretty happy.  I've already ordered a set of Progressive front springs and a
coated steel-braided line for the front.  I forgot to check on what kind of
bash-plates the dealer can bring in - but I figured, get the front end
solved first and foremost.  Further, after selling my other bike and now
buying this one, I am $9,000 to the good.  This fact alone is having a very
positive effect on my wife.

Thanks to all - for all,

Arne

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:53:54 -0800
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Non-KLR 650 tech question

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 9:13 AM
Subject: (klr650) Non-KLR 650 tech question


>        Do I have to replace the valve seats in my 1977 CB400 Four Super
>        Sport in order to burn 92-94 octane unleaded fuel?  If so, where is
>        a good source for replacement valve seats?


I remember reading of a fellow with a mid-70's BMW that did exactly that.
He installed hardened valve seats in order to be able to burn un-leaded.

As for a source, while a regular dealer might not be able to help, the place
to ask might be a bike shop that deals in racing/performance minded stuff.

Good luck

Arne

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:55:47 -0800
From: Dave Wormmeester <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Stealth edging

"J.Taylor" wrote:

> Let us know how tall some of you are. I would like to try some of this
> but at 6'3", my helmet hangs a little higher out there. I'd be curious
> as to how tall you can be and still benefit from it- I still have the
> stock screen BTW.  Wish I had bought it at Daytona-was only $6 a foot
> there ("show special"?)
>
> Jake

I am 6'3" also.  I tried first a Clearview +7 and then added 2' of the stealth
edging.  Much less
wind blast which was great, however I had so much turbulence it was blurring
my vision with
and without the edging.

Dave W
Grand Rapids Mi.

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