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klr650-digest        Monday, November 8 1999        Volume 02 : Number 1121



Re: (klr650) THANKS!- Bike seizes at constant hi speed
RE: (klr650) Re: Eric is upset - Oh my!!!
(klr650) Re: Eric is upset - Oh my!!!
(klr650) Cobra LOUD Exhaust
Re: (klr650) gas tank klr logo
(klr650) Oil level debate
Re: (klr650) Cobra LOUD Exhaust
Re: (klr650) Cobra LOUD Exhaust
Re: (klr650) KLR (I guess): 3 questions
Re: (klr650) Oil level debate
Re: (klr650) Cobra LOUD Exhaust
Re: (klr650) Re: Eric is upset - Oh my!!!
Re: (klr650) Cobra LOUD Exhaust
Re: (klr650) Eric is upset - Oh my!
RE: (klr650) juan & gino
(klr650) Healing already

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 17:45:09 PST
From: "James Chan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) THANKS!- Bike seizes at constant hi speed

Dear List, ( especially Bob, Richard, Toby, William, Mark and Dennis AND
everyone who has taken the time to read my long post )

A HUGE THANK YOU to all of you for your advice, will try every one out,
well, looks like I'll have to take another 1,200 miler just to make
absolutely sure that the bike works again... (heh, heh )

JC


>
>Dear Listers,
>Wonder if anyone can help...?
>
>it... ( the main jet was fitted by the local dealer )
>Thanks in advance for the advice!
>JC
>91 Tengai
>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:52:37 -0700
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) Re: Eric is upset - Oh my!!!

> I've been around gearheads my whole life, this topic to me is just
> ridiculous.  I'm sure Eldon is a great guy and I think it is great that he
> went through all that effort for the benefit of others, but folks
> are giving
> out bad advice plain and simple.  I have never heard anything but
> bad things
> about overfilling your engine with oil, and you're allowed to run it a
> little low, so the entire argument is pointless.  You run the risk of
> problems with overfilling, yet you run absolutely no risk by running it at
> full by the sight glass.  Months ago I contacted Kawasaki to get
> this whole

Eric, this is not aimed at you, just my commentary on the thing.

I've always contended the following: drain your oil anyway you like, let it
drain for a day on the left (g) then a day on the right (g)...tilt it...put
it on a lift...then when you're ready refill the crankcase little by little.
When it hits the top of the sight glass find out what you've added. Elden
says it will be 2 quarts 10-12 ounces. The advice from the factory is to
fill it with 2 qts 19-20 ounces (I'm not going to figure it out again, I did
in the archives). The point is that if you're bike hits the top of the sight
glass at 2 qts 10 ounces (and mine always has, I've checked it three
times)...then when I add the additional 10 ounces by the factory recommend
I'm 10 ounces above the sight glass. If your bike takes 2 qts 19-20 ounces
to hit the top of the sight glass you're golden...and use the sight glass
(this is what Redondo has always claimed). So, my advice is to try it...and
see for yourself....

Kurt


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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:03:42 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) Re: Eric is upset - Oh my!!!

> My apologies for getting way overboard, but this thing is a gnat that just
> keeps buzzing in my ear, and it finally got to the point where I had to
slap
> the thing.  There are people who go to this list for help and info, and
this
> info is potentially harmful.

    I'd like to apologize myself.  After I hit the send button I realized I
was being overly snotty myself.  So, I'm here to say I'm sorry.  No hard
feelings!

TTYL
Karl



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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:42:25 -0600
From: Ken Belfatto <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Cobra LOUD Exhaust

Just to stir up the pot, am I the only one who likes it LOUD?
Has anyone had a Cobra exhaust long enough to repack it?
I can't seep to eject the core after removing the retaining clip.

CAD\CAM Kenny
A12


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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:53:45 -0500
From: "Danodemotoman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) gas tank klr logo

>
>> I mean not be very objective, I own a '98 KLR, but I thought Kawi made the
>> bike look "cheap" with that color scheme.  That forest green of the '99
>and
>> previous gave the KLR a look like it would fit into a BMW show case or
>> something...
>>

 As a new owner of a Y2K KLR I get favorable comments on the color/logo. I was somewhat neutral on it myself but that it growes on ya doesn't it?

 -
 Dan P, COG 2877, AMA 549865, CMA, UMCI
 '93 KLX650R Baja d/s kit  'Dirt Boss'
 '00 KLR650   'Urban Assault Vehicle'
 '98 Kaw Concours ZG1000   'Grrr'  51K miles
 '70 Suzuki T500 Titan    'Dayjavoo'
Yo Ho, Yo Ho, it's a bikers life for me!

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 19:20:42 PST
From: "Conall O'Brien" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Oil level debate

FWIW-
For those of you who like to fill the oil level above the glass, I have a
question.
Kawi states the KLR gas tank to be 6.1 gallon. After running say 20 miles
into the reserve capacity, do you fill the tank with 6.1 gallons of gas? I
know I don't, I can't put more than 5 gallons in, reason is there is
"trapped gas" that is not "accessible" by the petcock. Since this is the
case does it suprise you that all the 2.5 liters of oil can not be simply
drained out during an oil change.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to think of an experiment to test a
theory. Find a brand new KLR Y2K at a dealer. I believe the motor has no oil
at this point. Put in exactly 2.5 liter of oil, fire it up for a couple of
minutes to circulate the oil into the filter. Drain all the oil including
the filter cavity and time how long it takes. Plot a chart showing time
versus oil recovered. Viola. Key is to find a "dry motor" that had never had
oil put into it. I'll see if I can find a Kawi service manager who might
want to help. (Dawn have you patched things up with your manager? Maybe you
could talk your service manager into doing us a favor?) (g)

Conall

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 20:28:10 -0700
From: James Alden <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Cobra LOUD Exhaust

Nope, me too
Jim

Ken Belfatto wrote:

> Just to stir up the pot, am I the only one who likes it LOUD?
> Has anyone had a Cobra exhaust long enough to repack it?
> I can't seep to eject the core after removing the retaining clip.
>
> CAD\CAM Kenny
> A12
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 18:29:10 -0800
From: Gregory Petrich <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Cobra LOUD Exhaust

I've got the same problem - happy with the pipe - but cannot get the
sucker apart
to repack it.  Remove the clip - put vise grips (with leather) on the
cone and pull like hell.  - No luck.

Ken Belfatto wrote:

> Just to stir up the pot, am I the only one who likes it LOUD?
> Has anyone had a Cobra exhaust long enough to repack it?
> I can't seep to eject the core after removing the retaining clip.
>
> CAD\CAM Kenny
> A12
>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:27:12 -0800
From: "Robert Morgan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR (I guess): 3 questions

In a conversation with Mike Walburn just before the "cow incident" he told
me he had some y2k green plastic very reasonably priced that came from a
super secret military KLR refit program.  Give him a call at Dualstar...1
800 466 7433.
Morgan


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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 22:46:28 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) Oil level debate

In a message dated 11/8/99 7:23:00 PM, [e-mail] writes:
>Key is to find a "dry motor" that had never had oil put into it. I'll see
>if I can find a Kawi service manager who might want to help. (Dawn
>have you patched things up with your manager? Maybe you could talk
>your service manager into doing us a favor?) (g)


Dry? You mean the factory doesn't test run the engines?
I'd be happy to do my part for the collective Conall. I'll
call him at home to see if he'll lube it up for us. Just
for the record, I'm the kind of girl who likes it filled
up...but not overfilled.

dawn - whether high or low, I like it HOT

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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 22:53:48 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) Cobra LOUD Exhaust

In a message dated 11/8/99 7:40:29 PM Mountain Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Has anyone had a Cobra exhaust long enough to repack it?
 I can't seep to eject the core after removing the retaining clip. >>


I don't know.  Is there a sight glass on it?

Gino ;-)

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 20:02:47 -0800
From: Eberhart <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Eric is upset - Oh my!!!

Does the upgraded clutch set in the 95 and older bikes make a difference in the
oil level above site glass scenario?

Kurt Simpson wrote:

>  just my commentary on the thing.
>
> I've always contended the following: drain your oil anyway you like, let it
> drain for a day on the left (g) then a day on the right (g)...tilt it...put
> it on a lift...then when you're ready refill the crankcase little by little.
> When it hits the top of the sight glass find out what you've added. Elden
> says it will be 2 quarts 10-12 ounces. The advice from the factory is to
> fill it with 2 qts 19-20 ounces (I'm not going to figure it out again, I did
> in the archives). The point is that if you're bike hits the top of the sight
> glass at 2 qts 10 ounces (and mine always has, I've checked it three
> times)...then when I add the additional 10 ounces by the factory recommend
> I'm 10 ounces above the sight glass. If your bike takes 2 qts 19-20 ounces
> to hit the top of the sight glass you're golden...and use the sight glass
> (this is what Redondo has always claimed). So, my advice is to try it...and
> see for yourself....
>
> Kurt
>
>


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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:23:26 -0500
From: Mark <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Cobra LOUD Exhaust

Gary Weaver has a Cobra on his '89.
I observred these two things about it:

1) His core rotates when the whole assembly is hot, but it won't budge when
cold. Try removing it after letting the engine run for awhile.

2) It doesn't seem to be as big a piece of shit as some people on this list
have claimed. I believe Gary's has over 5k miles on it, and it's still
together. It has a loud but nice rich sound.
In contrast, my SuperTrapp has been a bit of a pisser. Two of the three
disc retaining screws sheared off, as did one of the weld nuts. Also,
although I followed core extraction directions TO THE LETTER, the welds in
the core broke the 2nd time I had the can apart and now it rattles like a
son-of-a-bitch. I'm going to call SuperTrapp and complain and ask for a new
core.

Mark
B2
A2


>Just to stir up the pot, am I the only one who likes it LOUD?
>Has anyone had a Cobra exhaust long enough to repack it?
>I can't seep to eject the core after removing the retaining clip.
>
>CAD\CAM Kenny
>A12
>
>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:30:48 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) Eric is upset - Oh my!

>If your bike takes 2 qts 19-20 ounces to hit the top of the sight glass
>you're golden...and use the sight glass (this is what Redondo has always
>claimed). So, my advice is to try it...and see for yourself....


 Forget quarts and ounces. The manual calls for 2.5 liters.
 Get a ratio rite or other container that's marked for liters.
 Get the engine to operating temp and then drain the oil
 overnight. Pour 2200 ml in and you should be very near
 the top of the sight glass. Now follow the manual...

 Run the engine for a few minutes, then stop it. After a
 few minutes, recheck the sight level and you'll see that
 it is well below the top of the glass. As you pour in the
 remaining 300 ml, you'll see that it takes almost every
 drop to reach the top of the glass. If you wait more than
 the few minutes that the manual specifies, you'll see
 that the level will continue to rise. I suspect this is
 where some of the controversy is born.

 I respect Elden's opinions. He's even won a case in court
 against Kawasaki and their attorneys regarding another
 engine issue. I'm still not sold on his oil level reasoning.
 BTW, his engine rebuilds were pre '96 models.

 Redondo Ron  A10 - not sight unseen



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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 20:51:46 -0600
From: juan carlos ibarra <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) juan & gino

At 08:29 11/8/99 -0700, you wrote:
>
>>Yes, buy a good pair of motocross style boots.  They are worth it.  Hope
>you
>heel up soon.
>^^^^
>Gino
>
>ouch!  gino!<<
>
>Sorry, couldn't resist.
>
>Juan, did you have to call a "toe truck"?
>
>I'm just joking.  I know how bad a hurt foot can feel.  I do hope you are
>back on two wheels soon.
>
>Gino

Nope, but I now know what John Lennon meant when he sang: "He got Toe Jam
Footbal..."

Juan
>
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 20:50:43 -0600
From: juan carlos ibarra <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Healing already

Hi,

Thanks for all your good wishes!

Jeff, I'll save yours forever, it might just be the only time you'll ever
be nice to me...  (just kidding).

Love to all

Juan  writting from his 4x4 (stubs that is) couch.


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