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klr650-digest        Monday, November 8 1999        Volume 02 : Number 1119



Re: (klr650) nklr- DR650SE gearing/2-upping
(klr650) cold hands
RE: (klr650) cold hands
Re: (klr650) Oil levels: C'mon!
RE: (klr650) high RPM'S dangerous?
RE: (klr650) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:22:38 -0500
RE: (klr650) cold hands
Re: (klr650) Oil levels: C'mon!
(klr650) Complain to Dual Star or not?
Re: (klr650) Complain to Dual Star or not?
Re: (klr650) Complain to Dual Star or not?
(klr650) RE: Complain to Dual Star or not?
(klr650) NKLR - P.S.
Re: (klr650) Valve Clearance check success.
Re: (klr650) chain tension
Re: Fw: (klr650) Speaking of electrics NKLR

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 09:37:59 -0800
From: Tobin Lampson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) nklr- DR650SE gearing/2-upping

Kurt Simpson, speaking about the DR650SE, wrote:
snip
> After taking it for a good long
> ride I confirmed to myself exactly what Gino reported in an early report
> in the "Dual Sport Alliance" it is a heck of a bike......
hmmmmm.
> ........ The DR is lighter,
> lower, more nimble in every respect. It's suspension stock is far better
> than the KLR. On the ride with my son, two-up I went to some places that
> my KLR would've been bottoming out like crazy. Never came close with the
> DR. But all of this is no surprise. The DR can't compare to the KLR for
> longer jaunts and then going off-road.

    I wonder if you could say a little about the DR's gearing in
relation to the KLR's.
>
> So, I'm going to make the DR my primary dual-sport bike and look for
> something that is better for two-up road/fire-road riding. I've been
> struggling with this for two years...the two-up thing. I like the
> ST-1100 but don't like giving up the fire-road thing.
>
> Kurt

    In considering this somewhat. It seems to me, two-up riding is
'work' except on tame fire roads and pavement. This would be true on
any bike, no?
    If you were riding on say 'logging roads' with dips,
steeps, and awkward corners, I can see a full on DP bike.
    Still, I could very well be wearing blinders right now.

             desert born          Slide

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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:36:05 -0500
From: "Scherer, Michael" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) cold hands

It is time for me to explore electric gloves/grips and vest.  The gloves
and/or grips are my first concern.  Where on the KLR do I get my electric
for accesories like gloves or grips?  Is it straight from the battery
terminals?  Or is there a place to get the power somewhere along the line?

Biker Mike
A13

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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:46:00 -0700
From: "Pokluda, Gino" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) cold hands

 >>Is it straight from the battery
terminals?  Or is there a place to get the power somewhere along the line?
 <<\

I run mine straight from the battery.  I also add a pig tail for a battery
tender.

Gino


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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 11:46:00 -0600
From: Alan L Henderson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Oil levels: C'mon!

>
>Unless there really is an 'expert' on the list who can shed some light on
>the subject, I think the moral of the story is to believe the oil level
>indicators and don't put a fixed amount of oil in the bike as you never get
>a fixed amount out!
>
>DGBH
>
Holy Smokes! Duck and Cover!
      Alan Henderson A13 Iowa here we go again

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 11:50:55 -0700
From: Bogdan Swider <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) high RPM'S dangerous?

    What was their rational for this opinion? I often run 80-95mph with
stock gearing and the engine sounds and feels great during this alleged
abuse. I've been doing this for the entire 24k miles I've put on this bike
(I bought it at 4k); it's only needed a valve adjustment once and the valves
were only slightly off. Valve tightening I'm told is a traditional indicator
that the engine is being run hard. Bogdan

    glass and the engine is not run at high speeds (above 72 mph) for
very
    long periods...

    Kurt


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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 11:57:05 -0700
From: Bogdan Swider <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:22:38 -0500

    Eric ole pal, I've enjoyed your posts. + You've got an uncle with my
first name. Reconsider!! Bogdan, Who fills his oil a bit over the sight
line.

    GET A GODDAMN BRAIN.

    Arne please take me off the list, I'm sick of this shit.



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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 11:58:22 -0700
From: Bogdan Swider <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) cold hands

    -----Original Message-----
    Same setup here. Bogdan
     <<\

    I run mine straight from the battery.  I also add a pig tail for a
battery
    tender.

    Gino


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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:25:04 -0500
From: "Steamroller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Oil levels: C'mon!

Presently we have 3 vehicles from Kawasaki Heavy Industries.
2000 KEH 300 Lakota
1999 VN 750 cruiser
1996 KLR 650
All use a sight glass to check the oil level.
All are models rather long in the tooth.
If KHI made a mistake in the location of the sight glass when
designing the KLR, I'm sure that it would have been rectified
sometime during it's production run.
At the very least someone, somewhere would be notified by KHI
that the glass is wrong. No where have I seen this to be so.
Yet I have seen quite a few KLR's and many other HIGH MILEAGE, LOW BREAK
DOWN vehicles produced by KHI and none suffers any adverse effects from
maintaining the oil level using the site glass as a guide.
I will go by the recommendations of the people that designed engineered and
build the thing.
Excessive oil levels create a host of problems, such as foaming.
And a further question I have is:
If you maintain the sight glass is wrong, you would have to be 10 oz. low
before you will know. Or is there some other way to check the oil level?
NY Pete.


- -----Original Message-----
From: Ted Palmer <[e-mail]>
To: klr650 <[e-mail]>
Date: Monday, November 08, 1999 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: (klr650) Oil levels: C'mon!


>[e-mail] wrote:
>[...]
>>     Having said all that, do you also only change the oil every 10,000
kms
>> (6,000 miles) like the Kawi engineers say is all that's necessary?  Do
you
>> and will you only use Dunlop K750 tires becuase that's what the engineers
>> designed to go with the bike?
>
>And do I fill my 600 cooling system so that there is airspace in
>the header tank? No way.
>
>Mister_T
>
>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:39:12 -0700
From: Jason Lutz - ISDX <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Complain to Dual Star or not?

Hi All,

Since I don't see too many emails being swapped back in forth, I thought I
would pose a question...

Scenario:

Purchased a Dual Star center stand with bolts that go thru foot peg
(Torqued, of course).  Put center stand on and also lowering links.  Rode
bike on off rode adventure.  Hit a small wash and a rock that was waiting
patiently for me.  Rock hit left foot peg.  Bolts snapped like toothpicks.
Bad ride home.

Options:

1)  Request bolts from Dual Star free o' charge noting first ride since
mounting.

2)  Order new bolts from Dual Star, out of my pocket.

3)  Find similar bolts at local bike shop or hardware store.

Opinions?

Jason

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 13:38:59 -0800
From: Sarah Barwig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Complain to Dual Star or not?

Well, seeing as Mike & Carrie (owner/sole proprietor of Dual Star & wife) just
hit a cow while riding their KLR recently, you may get slow service from Dual
Star right now. Perhaps a letter to them asking for replacement bolts, or
specs on what you should look for at the hardware store yourself.

Last time I bought replacement bolts & nuts for an aftermarket piece  that
didn't come with exactly the right thing, I was only out $2, so it didn't
bother me that much...

Sarah

Jason Lutz - ISDX wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Since I don't see too many emails being swapped back in forth, I thought I
> would pose a question...
>
> Scenario:
>
> Purchased a Dual Star center stand with bolts that go thru foot peg
> (Torqued, of course).  Put center stand on and also lowering links.  Rode
> bike on off rode adventure.  Hit a small wash and a rock that was waiting
> patiently for me.  Rock hit left foot peg.  Bolts snapped like toothpicks.
> Bad ride home.
>
> Options:
>
> 1)  Request bolts from Dual Star free o' charge noting first ride since
> mounting.
>
> 2)  Order new bolts from Dual Star, out of my pocket.
>
> 3)  Find similar bolts at local bike shop or hardware store.
>
> Opinions?
>
> Jason
>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:44:26 -0700
From: "Fred Hink" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Complain to Dual Star or not?

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Jason Lutz - ISDX <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 1:39 PM
Subject: (klr650) Complain to Dual Star or not?


> Hi All,
>
> Since I don't see too many emails being swapped back in forth, I thought I
> would pose a question...
>
> Scenario:
>
> Purchased a Dual Star center stand with bolts that go thru foot peg
> (Torqued, of course).  Put center stand on and also lowering links.  Rode
> bike on off rode adventure.  Hit a small wash and a rock that was waiting
> patiently for me.  Rock hit left foot peg.  Bolts snapped like toothpicks.
> Bad ride home.
>
> Options:
>
> 1)  Request bolts from Dual Star free o' charge noting first ride since
> mounting.
>
> 2)  Order new bolts from Dual Star, out of my pocket.
>
> 3)  Find similar bolts at local bike shop or hardware store.
>
> Opinions?
>
> Jason


Jason,

Did I miss something??  What makes you think Mike owes you some bolts that
you broke by hitting a rock?  If I were you, I would go to you local bike
shop and take the broken bolts with you.  This way you will be sure to get
the correct size bolts.

Fred


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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:17:05 -0700
From: Jason Lutz - ISDX <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) RE: Complain to Dual Star or not?

Yep,

I have to agree with you Fred.  I broke the things fair and square.  But the
first time I took the bike out?  Actually, those bolts probably saved my
foot peg.  If they would have held up to the shock of the impact, maybe the
welding to the frame would have cracked.  I will see if Dual Star can get me
some bolts, just to throw them some business.  Out of my pocket...

Jason

- ---

Jason,

Did I miss something??  What makes you think Mike owes you some bolts that
you broke by hitting a rock?  If I were you, I would go to you local bike
shop and take the broken bolts with you.  This way you will be sure to get
the correct size bolts.

Fred


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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:21:37 -0700
From: Jason Lutz - ISDX <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) NKLR - P.S.

P.S.

Didn't find the ends of the broken bolts...probably shot out like bullets!!!

Jason

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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:07:50 -0800
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Valve Clearance check success.

> Next project - Progressive fork spring installation.
>
> Andrew.
>

This will seem almost boring compared to the valve check!  Its a much easier
job.  Just make sure that you get your oil level correct, which is the same
oil level that the manual calls for.

Jeff


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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:10:23 -0800
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) chain tension

> I recently purchased a 94' KLR with a few extras including a larger rear
> sprocket.  I mention the larger sprocket for what it's worth as
information
> regarding my problem relevant or not:  I cannot keep my chain tension
> stable.  The chain loosens dramatically after 40-50 miles.  The procedure
in
> the shop manual I ordered has not helped me. ( Or maybe just too stupid to
> figure it out) Before I take it to a shop I thought I would admit my
> shortcomings to the list and risk the intellectual scarring.  Mike
>
If it keeps stretching on you, then it is probably nearing the end of its
usable life, as chains stretch faster when they are nearly worn out.

Are you sure that you torqued the rear axle nut?

Jeff


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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:17:18 -0800
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Fw: (klr650) Speaking of electrics NKLR

> O.K., do they go + to - or - to +. Bogdan
>
> What I'm saying is yes, especially with the Hiesenburg Uncertainty
> Principle, no one can ever tell EXACTLY where the electrons are, but
> you can
> mathematically predict where they PROPABLY are, and the Drift
> Velocity is
> the average motion of the electrons, caused by an applied electric
> field.
>
> Jeff

Current flow is an abstract concept, and it was Benjamine Franklin who
arbitrarily decided which was positive, and which was negative.  The current
flow concept says that current flows from the positive terminal, through the
circuit, then to the negative terminal.  And, for electrical analysis, this
is valid.

The actual average flow of electrons, at the drift velocity, is from the
negative to the positive.  I understand that the US Navy actually attempted
to teach their techs this, and teach the current flow concept to agree with
the actual flow of electrons, but it confused too many people, and wasn't
standard with the rest of the world, so they changed back.

Jeff


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