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klr650-digest       Thursday, October 28 1999       Volume 02 : Number 1080



(klr650) how many is too many miles?
(klr650) Re: NKLR [Fwd: in the movies]
(klr650) Re:NKLR- Volume! Volume!! VOLUME!!!
Re: (klr650) How many watts??
(klr650) New to list
(klr650) Don't shoot me I'm unarmed!!! very  NKLR
Re: (klr650) Don't shoot me I'm unarmed!!! very  NKLR

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 19:25:42 -0700
From: "r. scott lamorte" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) how many is too many miles?

hi all.

i'm looking for a second KLR, to lower for my girlfriend. found someone in
my state with a used A7 (i think) for about $2000. i think it has 30-40,000
miles on it. is this too many?

i know max miles will vary with maintainance styles, road conditions, and
level of rider aggression... but what kind of range is best case, average,
etc?

thanks
scott
A4



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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 00:01:30 -0500
From: "Ron Kolarik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Re: NKLR [Fwd: in the movies]

    Man somedays I can't win.  First it was abhorrent and now it's
evil.  It's bad enough I get snubbed on the beemer list because
I ride a K bike and the VFR list doesn't like me because of the
Staintune pipe.  I suppose I should sell everything and buy a
H...Har...Harl...noooo....can't even say the word.  How bout
I just do penance by going over to the "evil F-***" list and
tell them my Zundapp 125 is a better bike :) :)

Ron....vacation is killing me!!

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>
> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 19:56:48 -0700
> From: Sarah Barwig <[e-mail]>
> Subject: (klr650) NKLR [Fwd: in the movies]
>
> got this from a friend. kind of amusing story. even if it does mention
> the evil other brand...



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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 01:24:28 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) Re:NKLR- Volume! Volume!! VOLUME!!!

Juan, Sarah, Peter (or Pere?), and Listers:

I didn't want to perpetuate this discussion any further when I read the=20
original posts days ago, but since others decided to keep debating, I've bee=
n=20
biting at the bit to say some things.

<<"epitome of narrow-mindedness, greed and fear"
<<"true reflection of the lack of intelligence"
<<(equating gun ownership with) "placing bombs in public places"
<<"sick and twisted obsession"

This type of stereotyping and derogation is something our society does NOT=20
need.  Gun owners are not subhuman, and we're not terrorists. The people who=
=20
misuse guns, and break existing gun laws, are the monsters you mention.

<<"no reason in the world to own a gun.">>
One good reason for me is the safety of my beautiful baby daughter sleeping=20
in the next room. I hope to never encounter a psychopath standing over her=20
crib in the middle of the night, but if I do, he will quickly become=20
half-a-psychopath, compliments of my handgun. There are millions of mentally=
=20
ill people, and people who are just plain evil, in the world capable of=20
violence. My handgun is for defensive purposes, not offensive.

By the way, I know the risk of having a gun and a child in the same=20
household. That is why I spent big bucks on a very secure, quick-access,=20
combination handgun safe which is located right beside my bed. She has a=20
better chance of winning $10 million in the lottery than accessing my=20
handgun. (I would suggest this precaution to all gun-owners.)

<<the problem is the violence that makes normal the thought =E2=80=9Ci have=20=
to have a=20
gun, just in case...=E2=80=9D>>
Exactly!! The problem is the violent criminals in our society, causing me to=
=20
think "I have to have a gun to protect my house and my family." I wish I=20
lived in a society in which no-one had guns!! I also wish I lived in a=20
society in which no-one would break into my house with murderous intentions!=
=20
Then I wouldn't need to spend my hard-earned money on an expensive handgun=20
and a safe for it. Unfortunately, that is NOT the society in which we live!=20

<<"true reflection of the lack of intelligence">>
I will gladly compare intelligence-test scores with anyone questioning the=20
intellect of this average gun-owner.

<<"epitome of narrow-mindedness, greed and fear">>
This is pretty silly. I'm definitely not "narrow-minded": I've obviously=20
considered many more hypothetical scenarios, and weighed more options, than=20
you have. Your opinions seem very narrow-minded to me. "Greed?" Come-on now,=
=20
If I were greedy, I would've saved my money and not bought a handgun or a=20
safe. Or are you questioning gun manufacturers and capitalism in general?=20
"Fear:" There is nothing wrong with fear. I'm sure you've been very afraid a=
t=20
many times in your life. I fully admit that I'm fearful for my family's=20
safety. Is this "fear," or paranoia, or just close observation of the evenin=
g=20
news?

Sorry for the "rambling," and I did not intend this to be a flame, just a=20
rebuttal and an explanation of my views.

Raamses

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 00:29:54 -0500
From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Carlos_Y._Gonz=E1lez?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) How many watts??

Per asked:
I=B4m going to mount a pair of heated grips to my bike.
They leave about 20w of heat..

How many w can the bike handle (klr 650, 91)??
I want to be able to use bot headlight (70w?) and grips at the same
time.
Plus that i=B4m mounting a socket for a heated west.

I just want to know before i=B4m getting started so i=B4m not trying to
squese out to many watts out of my trusty tengai.
____________________________

Hey Per,
This an old post I found from Vik.  Note however that if you are running =
at
lower revs than what Vik demonstrates you may not get as much charging as
he reports.
Carlos

> From: Vik Banerjee <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: (klr650) Electrical Accessories
> Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 10:39 AM
>=20
> On my ride home from Moab I tested out the electrical system on my KLR.
> Here is what I found:
>=20
> With the bike at 4000rpm and the following accessories on:
>=20
> - Kimpex grip heaters
> - Aerostich electric vest
> - dual 65W high beams =3D 130W
> - Garmin GPS hardwired to bike
> - Touratech IMO bike computer
>=20
> I was getting 12.5V - sufficient to charge the battery and with a singl=
e
55W
> low beam and all the rest of the accessories on I was getting 12.9V.
>=20
> I really can't imagine what else I would want to run off the KLR's
> electrical system and so I'd have to say the bike's rumored weak power
> output is not a concern - at least for a '98 Canadian model.
>=20
> BTW - I still have stock types fuses in my bike and have yet to blow on=
e
> even after much abuse in Moab.
>=20
> Cheers,
>=20
> Vik


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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 00:49:53 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) New to list

Hello KLR650 list! I just bought a 91 KLR650. ( Way to cheap to pass up!
) The poor beast has 16,000 miles. The last 9000 with almost no
maintenance. I am really looking forward to getting the bike in shape.
I've called Fred and my manuals are on the way. I have a couple of
questions. Most of the accessories say 93 and up, will stuff like the
Moose skid plate for a 93 fit on my 91? I'm inseam challenged, is there
an lowering kit on the market or do I have to build one myself? Thanks
in advance.
                                Butch
                            ( Happy new KLR owner )

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 00:58:27 -0600
From: juan carlos ibarra <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Don't shoot me I'm unarmed!!! very  NKLR

Hi all,

This is my last posting on this subject, so I'll give it my best.

Freedom is the absence of fear.

Is there another reason to own a gun -"for protection" as you say- other
than fear? Therefore, owning guns does not liberate anyone. On the
contrary: It is the consequence of one's slavery to fear.

Freedom IS NOT the possibility of endless choices -which to me seems to
fuel the idea of the American Way of Life.

Freedom is total absence of choice.

It's very simple really: exercise love. If you do (even for just a moment)
you'll see that owning a weapon is simply not possible -it has nothing to
do with choice or the right to own one-.   Nor is it an option to use a
spoon to kill someone. Or to violate the Geneva Convention agreements on
caliber...what am I saying?! While exercising love, who needs that silly
agreement on how to kill people?

If you truly love life, you love everything alive;  you simply cannot
consider killing an act of freedom, it is impossible. (Again, not a matter
of choice)

Love = freedom = truth = peace = absence of fear.

Why do people kill each other at war? Because they want to defend what they
consider "theirs" , their property, their family, their ideas, their
language, their money, their toys, their ... life.

Why do people invent laws? Because they want to defend what they consider
"theirs" , their property, their family, their ideas, their language, their
money, their toys, their ... life

In one phrase: because we are afraid of each other. We believe that the
only way to avoid beeing killed is to kill. The "good" guys believe that,
and the "bad" guys do too. What would happen if we simply decided not to be
a threat to one another anymore? If we -as a whole- acted with love for the
first time and started to colaborate instead of competing?

Fear is lack of love.

We don't love each other. We just don't. We say we do, but we do not act on
it. Actions are real, good wishes or good intentions are... powerless. Army
generals say: "We know no one ever has won a war" Why do they keep fighting
them?

We say: "This is reality, we have to accept it we have to kill each other"
I ask: Who do you think is giving entity to that reality? Who do you think
is making that reality real? Is this not the simple consequence of the lack
of vision and intelligence among us? Our pityfull inhability to work our
differences out without violence?

I say: I do not accept this unacceptable reality. I will act upon it, I
will write this with much love for everyone to read.

I will tell you a story. The forest was on fire. All the animals were
fleeting, except for the humming bird who kept flying to the pond to pick a
drop of water and then back to fire to let it fall on the flames. The fox
said: "You are crazy, you'll never put out the fire, you'll burn to death,
fly away, little bird."

The humming bird replied: "I know I can't put out this fire...I'm just
doing my part of the job."

The world is what it is, and we shoot each other in it. That's a fact no
one can argue with.

The question is : Can we do something about it? Or do we just say: this is
a free world, we are free to kill each other in it as we please. How come
we are not free enough to choose a society in which killing cannot be an
option?

I say we are the slaves of our killing devices, the slaves of our fear.
Just like the alcoholic that says : "Me? I can leave this shit any time I
choose to, I'm in control, man; I'm free, you know?"


Just one more thing: If you really, really, REALLY want to be free...stop
belonging. Don't belong to an army, to a church, to a country, to a club,
to a political party.

When one says: "I belong" one says :"I am the property of" and no one can
be free if one is the property of someone or something...

Someone  told me that he could not educate me regarding war. I'm sorry to
say no one can educate another regarding love and freedom either. One has
to teach oneself this. I encourge all to try ... It will kill you...but it
won't really matter...if you know what I mean.

Juan  Praying no one will shoot him like a man did my good friend Laura in
Mazatlan last Sunday...






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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 01:52:50 -0700
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Don't shoot me I'm unarmed!!! very  NKLR

From: juan carlos ibarra <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Don't shoot me I'm unarmed!!! very NKLR
____________________

Juan, I respect your ideals... I really do.  I do have a few
questions/comments though...

> Freedom is total absence of choice.
>
> If you truly love life, you love everything alive;  you simply cannot
> consider killing an act of freedom, it is impossible. (Again, not a matter
> of choice)

Killing is NOT considered an act of freedom.  It is the unfortunate result
of choosing to end a deadly threat.
However, if a person is hell-bent on killing people, lower force options are
always considered and implimented if possible.
I am speaking from my perspective as a law enforcement officer.  Ya, it's a
shitty job, but someone's got to do it.

> Why do people invent laws? Because they want to defend what they consider
> "theirs" , their property, their family, their ideas, their language,
their
> money, their toys, their ... life

Are you saying laws are a bad thing?  I've never lived in a commune like you
seem to be describing, but even there I'm sure that there are some "rules"
that are adhered to in order to keep the community functioning.  People are
human - not robots.

> In one phrase: because we are afraid of each other. We believe that the
> only way to avoid beeing killed is to kill. The "good" guys believe that,
> and the "bad" guys do too. What would happen if we simply decided not to
be
> a threat to one another anymore? If we -as a whole- acted with love for
the
> first time and started to colaborate instead of competing?

There would be no evil in the world... we would be in heaven...  But the
fact of the matter is that there IS evil in the world... whether you choose
to believe it or not.  What you are saying is that you could stand in water
and not get wet.

> The world is what it is, and we shoot each other in it. That's a fact no
> one can argue with.   The question is : Can we do something about it?
> Or do we just say: this is a free world, we are free to kill each other
> in it as we please.

But we do do something Juan.  We enact laws in an attempt to protect the
innocent and maintain order in society.  The justice system is not perfect.
These laws are not perfect, but they certainly aren't your description of,
"there's a bad guy... kill him!" either.  But (unfortunately) they are the
best we can do.

The human race is a diverse and complicated entity.  For every person
influenced and driven by love, there are as many who are influenced and
driven by evil.  You can love these people all you want, and you will be a
better person for it, but that will not always stop them from taking
advantage of others.  You could almost divide the human race into two
groups... Those who would love and those who would not.  Given time, those
who would not would be a singular race as they will have euthanised those
who would.

> How come
> we are not free enough to choose a society in which killing cannot be an
> option?

Because the absence of choice does not exist in a human functioning reality.

> Just one more thing: If you really, really, REALLY want to be free...stop
> belonging. Don't belong to an army, to a church, to a country, to a club,
> to a political party.

Then I guess that I don't want to be free.  I am proud to belong to my
country.  I am even proud to belong to this KLR650 list... =^)   We will
always belong to something.  We belong to the human race.  The price of
membership is responsibility.

> When one says: "I belong" one says :"I am the property of" and no one can
> be free if one is the property of someone or something...

The only reason we will never be free is because your definition of freedom
is unobtainable in this life.

> Someone  told me that he could not educate me regarding war. I'm sorry to
> say no one can educate another regarding love and freedom either. One has
> to teach oneself this. I encourge all to try ... It will kill you...but it
> won't really matter...if you know what I mean.

I do know what you mean Juan... but like I said, evil is here to stay and it
takes many forms.  Some of those forms require physical intervention.

> Juan  Praying no one will shoot him like a man did my good friend Laura in
> Mazatlan last Sunday...

I'm very sorry to hear about your friend Juan.  I hope she'll be alright.

Let me ask you this... If you were there, and if you would have been able to
intervene at the risk of the shootist getting hurt or possibly killed, would
you have made the attempt or stood by and let Laura take the hit?  BAM!!
This is the reality we live in...  Whatever you would have done would have
been a choice.  Because you would have had to have made a choice, you would
not have been free.

Arne





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