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klr650-digest        Tuesday, October 26 1999        Volume 02 : Number 1071



Re: (klr650) exhaust mod
Re: (klr650) KLR600 stoppage woes. "Bugger".
Re: (klr650) ohv anti-alert
Re: (klr650) Enough, enough
Re: (klr650) Postpartum Valve Check Interval
Re: (klr650) Fw: OHV Alert
Re: (klr650) Postpartum Valve Check Inte
(klr650) Mike and Carrie going home (NKLR)
(klr650) NKLR -test message
Re: (klr650) Thread stripping, Why?
(klr650) Radiator Guard?
Re: (klr650) Thread stripping, Why?
(klr650) KLR600 Purchase Advice
RE: (klr650) KLR600 Purchase Advice
Re: (klr650) KLR600 Purchase Advice
RE: (klr650) Enough, enough

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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:57:40 -0600
From: "Skip Faulkner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) exhaust mod

>Did it make any difference in performance?  What other restrictions are
>there?  Would you do it again?  The muffler diagram from the klr650 page
>shows the spark cone as being the only restriction.  I figure there has to
>be some simple, effective mod that can be done to an otherwise ok muffler
>(fits on the bike, won't explode)
>
>[e-mail]



Toby, I`m sorry if it appears in the diagram that the spark arrester is the
only restriction. I wish! The majority of the exhaust pressure enters into
the center flame tube, hits the spark cone and is dispersed outward. It then
has to pass through ten 1/4" holes that are evenly spaced on the black disc
in the diagram. From there, it enters the main tube and exits. You`ll see in
the diagram that some of the exhaust enters the two 5/8" diameter tubes that
lead into the outer can, but has to exit the same 10 holes in the disc the
rest of the exhaust does. The main restrictions are the two 5/8" holes
leading into the can and the disc with the 10 holes that  all the exhaust
has to pass through.
    Yes, if you drive a hole through the spark arrester cone, the majority
of the exhaust will exit there with no further restrictions.

Skip


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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 17:03:55 +1000
From: Ted Palmer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR600 stoppage woes. "Bugger".

Yo Tobin Lampson, you wrote:

>         Just sorted out 250 emails after a ride......and was looking
> for the follow up to this. Didn't find it, if there was one........
> Let me know the conclusion on this one.....ok......

No conclusion yet, but I have a set of pics that would tell a good
story.
I figure this episode might be a good way to start a website of my
own, modelled to some extent on the Team RC17 Australia website,
the HTML of which I'll probably flagrantly copy and hack into
submission.
I'll hassle my admins for some insider tips on setting up.

I'm waiting for a pile of parts to arrive. Since the rotor will be
off, it'll be a good time to do the balancer and cam chains.
All up the parts will be around Aus$650. The balancer chain is
remarkably expensive at about Aus$230 on its own, the camchain being
about half that.
Just how much the stator will cost is unknown at this stage, although
I'm guessing it won't be cheap.
I'm hoping the rotor will be still ok to use.

Mister_T
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 00:18:44 -0700
From: Tom Myers <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) ohv anti-alert

>this is not a done deal yet- a plan will have to be written by the managing
>agencies
>(usfs & blm)  anyway you'll hardly any reduction in riding areas- as has been
>mentioned we've got more roads presently than we have the money to maintain!

It's possible that the "unmaintained roads system" could become the
greatest trail system over the years.  Provided there is a caveat where
they are forbidden from shutting out the recreationists I might even
support it.

>motors ........should be relegated to practical
>transportation only. use your muscles for sport.

Sport too is a bourgoise waste of energy (called food).......  All
expenditures of energy should be relegated to the betterment of society.
We'll decide.  Yes, even that raised middle finger is a
waste...................

Tom

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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 01:58:45 -0700
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Enough, enough

From: <[e-mail]>
To: KLR list <[e-mail]>
Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 9:41 PM
Subject: (klr650) Enough, enough


> PLEASE, remove this recipient from this list....I have a life and an
> R69/2..go away
>     Rich

Only if you ask nicely.

Arne



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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 06:45:39 -0400
From: Bill Wright <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Postpartum Valve Check Interval

Jeff & Lisa Walker wrote:

> > I had my valves checked on my '98 at 500, 5000, 10000, 20000, and 30000.
> No
> > adjustment needed at 500, 10000 or 30000 mile checks.  I think every 10k
> is
> > enough once you get over 5k on the bike..
> >
>
> (BTW, in regards to the valve cover bolts, there is a great potential for
> galvanic corrosion between the aluminum in the head and the steel bolts,
> especially if since the valve cover bolts are exposed to water from the
> environment.  Aluminum is a less noble metal on the galvanic scale, so it
> will corrode.  Typically, Aluminum oxide creates a spongy, expansive
> coating, and this will cause problems when removing and adding the valve
> cover bolts.  Anti-seize is crucial to use here, to prevent the corrosion
> from happening, and to lubricate the threads.)
>

Since this process occurs whether or not you are riding, I guess this means that
those of you who only ride 500-1000 miles per year should tear down your engine
to apply anti-seize even though it isn't time for a valve adjustment.


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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 08:40:58 -0400
From: Stuart Heaslet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Fw: OHV Alert

I'm requesting that the Subject: heading be listed as NKLR on this subject.

Thanks.

Stuart Heaslet
A12



At 04:02 PM 10/25/99 -0700, Gregory Petrich wrote:
>Just to add a little perspective...
>What has been happening on public USFS lands to inspire this kind of
action??....


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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 09:12:36 -0400
From: Mark McCoy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Postpartum Valve Check Inte

Jeff & Lisa Walker wrote:

> What I also failed to mention was that after the engineers do
> their thing, it goes into the hands of the bean counters.

And the EPA.

MMc


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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 7:21:00 -0600
From: "Pokluda, Gino" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Mike and Carrie going home (NKLR)

I visited with Mike and Carrie yesterday evening at a motel here in
Albuquerque.  They will be flying home to Seattle today (10/26).  Mike's dad
and cousin will driving the rig back.  Mike is looking good, getting around
on crutches and in great spirits.  Carrie is also looking good and rested.
 They appreciate everyone's offers to help and well wishes.  Mike plans on
being back at the office soon.

Gino


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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 01:00:30 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) NKLR -test message

test 123


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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 10:32:26 -0400
From: Mark <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Thread stripping, Why?

I think it's simply the fact that someone has overtorqued the valve cover
bolts at one time or another and corrosion is not a factor.  I never have
seen powdery white residue on my valve cover bolts. Wouldn't the fact that
this area is constantly bathed with motor oil along with the lack of
moisture being allowed to accumulate in the valve train be an argument
against corrosion? Now, pull the side covers off the engine...plenty of
corrosion there and I never stripped one of those bolt holes either.
Mark (strong, but gentle)
B2
A2



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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 08:04:20 -0700
From: "Jon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Radiator Guard?

I dropped my bike on the left side in the dirt.
Result: 1.lots of scratched plastic.
      2.the thin metal fan guard, that by (in my opinion) flawed design sticks
out slightly past the radiator, got bend inwards getting the fan stuck and
actually melt.
I have no idea whether an aftermarket guard would have prevented this. If
the answer is yes, I will buy one.




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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 08:27:33 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Thread stripping, Why?

> I think it's simply the fact that someone has overtorqued the valve cover
> bolts at one time or another and corrosion is not a factor.  I never have
> seen powdery white residue on my valve cover bolts. Wouldn't the fact that
> this area is constantly bathed with motor oil along with the lack of
> moisture being allowed to accumulate in the valve train be an argument
> against corrosion?

Nope, in order for galvanic corrosion to occur, all you need are two
dissimiliar metals to be in contact.  The metal that is less noble on the
galvanic scale will corrode.  While the inside of the valve train is in oil,
and there is limited moisture in there, the heads of the valve cover bolts
are exposed to the atmosphere, and get wet.  Water doesn't even have to be
present for galvanic corrosion to occur, but it sure can speed the process.
It so happens that we finished studying corrosion in my materials science
and engineering class last week.  Hmmm, I wonder if I could attatch a
sacrificial zinc annode to the bike somewhere to counter corrosion on the
other parts.

Jeff

Jeff


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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 11:31:13 -0500
From: Don Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) KLR600 Purchase Advice

I am currently hunting for a dual sport and definitely leaning toward a
KLR. I would prefer to buy a good used bike to start off with, but there is
not a great selection of used dual sports here in Houston Texas. The only
one I know of currently is a 1985 KLR600 in good condition with 10K miles
on it. The seller wants $1200 for it. Is this a fair price for it? Seems a
bit high for a 15-year-old bike, but compared to the cost of a new bike it
is a little more palatable.

I am under the impression that there is not much difference between a 1985
KLR600 and a 2000 KLR650. Is this true? I am familiar with the new
KLR6550's so knowing of any differences would be helpful.

I am new to this list and have been following it for only a week. I am
already familiar with many of the names on this list. With a group like
this, I can almost experience owning a KLR before purchasing one. This is a
great resource.

Thanks,

Don



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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:00:41 -0600
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) KLR600 Purchase Advice

> I am currently hunting for a dual sport and definitely leaning toward a
> KLR. I would prefer to buy a good used bike to start off with,
> but there is
> not a great selection of used dual sports here in Houston Texas. The only
> one I know of currently is a 1985 KLR600 in good condition with 10K miles
> on it. The seller wants $1200 for it. Is this a fair price for it? Seems a
> bit high for a 15-year-old bike, but compared to the cost of a new bike it
> is a little more palatable.

Don, there are substantial differences between the KLR600 and the KLR650 A
series which begins in 1987. Some who own both are very fond of the KLR600's
handling and power. Both are reliable. The KLR650's have a huge aftermarket
upgrade path if that is the sort of thing that interests you. The 650 also
has a larger gas tank. On the 650's they are pretty much the same from
'87-'95 (and some '96's)...after '96 they have an improved balancer chain
and clutch system.

Welcome to the list and good luck in your search.

Kurt


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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 11:24:46 -0700
From: Tobin Lampson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR600 Purchase Advice

Don Davis wrote:
>
> I am currently hunting for a dual sport and definitely leaning toward a
> KLR. I would prefer to buy a good used bike to start off with, but there is
> not a great selection of used dual sports here in Houston Texas. The only
> one I know of currently is a 1985 KLR600 in good condition with 10K miles
> on it. The seller wants $1200 for it. Is this a fair price for it? Seems a
> bit high for a 15-year-old bike, but compared to the cost of a new bike it
> is a little more palatable.
>
> I am under the impression that there is not much difference between a 1985
> KLR600 and a 2000 KLR650. Is this true? I am familiar with the new
> KLR6550's so knowing of any differences would be helpful.
>
> I am new to this list and have been following it for only a week. I am
> already familiar with many of the names on this list. With a group like
> this, I can almost experience owning a KLR before purchasing one. This is a
> great resource.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Don

    Before answering your question I wonder if you might say a
little about your riding experience. What bikes you may have owned.
And, why a KLR/dualsport?
    This can help me hone the most helpful possible response
I can offer you. I've been riding over 35 years, am 43, have owned
numerous bikes, and currently own an 84 KLR 600, 85 KLR 600, 93 KLR
650, and a 79 IT 400 Yamaha.
    You are barking up a good tree!
    Two other questions: Do you have dirt riding experience?
Where mostly will the bike be ridden?

                        Thanks Toby Lampson

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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:25:33 -0600
From: Bogdan Swider <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) Enough, enough

    How can you have both a life AND a R69/2 ? Bogdan


    > PLEASE, remove this recipient from this list....I have a life and
an
    > R69/2..go away
    >     Rich

    Only if you ask nicely.

    Arne



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