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klr650-digest          Tuesday, March 9 1999          Volume 02 : Number 106




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Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:33:58 -0800 (PST)
From: [e-mail] (Conall O'Brien)
Subject: (klr650) Re:Motoport UltraII Cordura Jacket

To Tim Bootle:
Hello- I'm catching up with mail from yesterday.
I have a Motoport UltraII Cordura Jacket.
The Darien looks nice, but the Motoport is the mother of all protective
jackets,IMO.
Materials:
Outer- 1000 Denier Ultra Cordura. This new Cordure weave is stronger
than 1050 Denier Ballistic Cordura.
Inner- Breathable nylon mesh. It gets pretty hot here in Ca, in the
summer, so hot that the wind makes it feel hotter, rather than cool. I
wore my jacket through the interior of calif in 105'+ F. heat for
several days, and although I looked like a wreck, I wasn't really that
uncomfortable.
Keep in mind- low humidity compared to Florida.

It does breathe pretty well with big adjustable arm sleeves, underarm
vents, and more vents in the arms.
Different design philosophy(sp?) than others, it's not waterpoof by
itself (you knew that), but a waterproof liner jacket is optional.

The armour is really substantial. Shoulders, elbows,forearms,and back,
even the frontal chest area!  3/8" thick dual density memory foam with
E.V.A. (?) kinetic absorbing foam inner.Plastic membrane between the
layers of foam.
8 pockets, reflective striping , the usual stuff.
The pants look similiar, but I haven't boughten those yet, I want pants
with hip pads more than any other feature.
If you want protection the UltraII jacket is the one, and it does
breathe really well. Dries out fairly quick too.

Conall-  " people are more violently oppossed to fur than leather
because it's safer to harass rich women than motorcycle gangs."
[e-mail]
Fremont, CA USA
A4 (1990) "skyhawk" 57400 miles
http://www.angelfire.com/co/klr650/index.html

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Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 21:48:39 -0600
From: Kraka <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) RE: NKRL SUV

I personally will be purchasing a full sized CARGO VAN for my
SUV. I will use it to aid in the enjoyment of my KLR-650 and CR-500.
It is a totally practical choice... and at about $20K will serve
me better than any contemporary SUV with 1/2 the cargo space and 1.5
times
the cost.

there is my $0.02 worth.

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Jeff wrote:>>>>>
> I agree.  Buying SUV's has become a real status thing.  Talk about
> pretentiousness!  A MERCEDES SUV!  Please!  If that isn't a status thing,
> then I don't know what is.
> <<<<<<
>
> I am no BMW basher (I think the GS80 is one of the best bikes made), but the
> BMW GS1000 is the motorcycle equivalent of the MERCEDES SUV (and many other
> SUVs); all hat and no cowboy.
>
> Not looking for flames,
> Anonymous Pat

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Date: Mon,  8 Mar 99 20:06:54 PST
From: "Marick Payton"   <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) UltraII

Conoll,

I've been mulling over the choice between the Motoport Ultra II and
the Darien.  The Ultra II does sound like the ultimate in protection
and better for hot weather.  But, how well does that removable
waterprood liner work?  It is a hassle to put on when that sudden shower
surprises you?  Does it make the jacket realllllly hot during a summer
rain?  What's it like to have the whole outer shell soaked?

Marick

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Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 23:38:41 -0500
From: Tim Bootle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) RE: NKRL SUV

Actually, you can get a four wheel drive van!  I almost bought one last year
before I bought my Isuzu Trooper.  (my wife did not want another van)  Check out
the site http://sportsmobile.com  They sell motor homes but can sell you a 4x4 van
stripped if you want.  What a country we live in!  Whatever you can dream of
wanting, you can buy! -Tim

Kraka wrote:

> I personally will be purchasing a full sized CARGO VAN for my
> SUV. I will use it to aid in the enjoyment of my KLR-650 and CR-500.
> It is a totally practical choice... and at about $20K will serve
> me better than any contemporary SUV with 1/2 the cargo space and 1.5
> times
> the cost.
>
> there is my $0.02 worth.
>
> [e-mail] wrote:
> >
> > Jeff wrote:>>>>>
> > I agree.  Buying SUV's has become a real status thing.  Talk about
> > pretentiousness!  A MERCEDES SUV!  Please!  If that isn't a status thing,
> > then I don't know what is.
> > <<<<<<
> >
> > I am no BMW basher (I think the GS80 is one of the best bikes made), but the
> > BMW GS1000 is the motorcycle equivalent of the MERCEDES SUV (and many other
> > SUVs); all hat and no cowboy.
> >
> > Not looking for flames,
> > Anonymous Pat

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Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:43:12 -0800 (PST)
From: [e-mail] (Conall O'Brien)
Subject: (klr650) Thanks Fred

Fred in Moab took my order on a Sunday, so his hours are just as good as
Walmarts. Wed. they were here. I got the magnetic drain plug, K&P SS oil
filter, and rear brake master cylinder protector thingy. Add them to the
KLR must have accessories.
I shop at  local Walmart only when I have to, and there is a McD. inside
as well. But generally I don't like walking across a football-field
sized parking lot, to go into a store the size of a football-field, to
find a 19 yr. old kid who's been working there for 3 months and doesn't
know( expletive deleted) about the product. And what's with those
motorized shopping buggy's?

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Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 23:54:20 -0500
From: Tim Bootle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) UltraII

Wayne, the president of Motoport, told me the following about the jacket
this past Saturday.  (paraphrased)

"You can't wear the liner at over 85 degrees. The liner not only makes the
jacket waterproof it insulates.  He told me that the liner is a cold weather
piece. It is not for hot weather rain protection.  The summer solution is a
light rain jacket and the Ultra II.  He also said that you don't need the
liner for about the first 40 minutes of rain as the water will pour off like
off of a duck's back for a while.  (Is THAT true Conall?)   The jacket dries
really quick (much much quicker than a t-shirt) after being wet. "

By the way, I've decided to buy the Ultra II because I don't care if I'm wet
in the summer.  I do care if I die of heat stroke. (Acutally, I wouldn't
really die of heatstroke.  I just would not wear the jacket if it is too
hot.  And thats the whole point of spending the $350 isn't it!)  I've got to
have it cool so the Motoport Ultra II is my choice.
- -Tim Bootle, Largo Florida.


Marick Payton wrote:

> Conoll,
>
> I've been mulling over the choice between the Motoport Ultra II and
> the Darien.  The Ultra II does sound like the ultimate in protection
> and better for hot weather.  But, how well does that removable
> waterprood liner work?  It is a hassle to put on when that sudden shower
> surprises you?  Does it make the jacket realllllly hot during a summer
> rain?  What's it like to have the whole outer shell soaked?
>
> Marick

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Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 23:47:09 +0000
From: Tom Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) RE: Dare I ask (no KLR content)

>Andy asks:
>>Dare I ask what your views are on Harley's???????????
>>
>>Coming from England I'd be interested in how they are viewed over there.


    My perspective: Whelp, the build quality is there, at least in terms of
fit and finish, Paint is beautiful. You have probably figured that much.

    As for living with one...well, the last Harley I was on was my dad's '64
XLCH Sportster, up on the tank in front of him, doing about 105 down a
country road. I was about five...

    But aside from that, well, it can be hard to say just how good a bike they
actualy are because most of the folks that own them seem to put few miles
on them. Many of their owners claim excelent service, but then they might
have 5 year old bikes that have 6,000 miles on them. Its weird. It is often
observed that many Harley owners realy arent interested in owning a
motorcycle but rather are buying into a lifestyle, a state of mind, a
myth...whatever.

    I did manage to sit down and talk with a group of aviation mechanics out
of Atlanta at a motorcycle campground. They were on big touring bikes that
averaged about five years old and 35,000-50,000 miles on the clock, so for
once I had some Harley people that were qualified to tell me what the deal
was. They reported what sounded like what struck me as a somewhat excessive
number of mechancal problems, but overall they seemed to be holding up OK.
Its not like jumping on some Honda hydraulic-valved inline four (ultra-low
maintenece) but they were decent.

    I'll stick with my KLR, thenk you.


- -Tom
'96 KLR 650
32,000 miles

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Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 23:13:38 -0800
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Valkyrie

It was a beautiful bike.  I was the proud owner for 2 years.  Unfortunately
I never rode it as much as it deserved, so I felt that $20,000 (Canadian)
was an awful lot of money to not be used.  In a way I am  having regrets, as
this year I will have more time to ride (last year I built a house, and the
year before that I had to have a knee re-constructed).  At this point in
time the guy who bought the bike from me is married with no kids.  If he
ever needs to sell the bike to pay for the minivan I will offer to buy it
back from him.

Practically every publication has rated the valkyrie #1 in it's class for
the last few years running.  The only real fault that any seem to have is
with the love it or hate it looks of the bike.

Arne

>>Thanks for the response, but I'm grieving now...  Not only did I sell my
>>Valkyrie Tourer a couple of days ago,  The Tengai that I found last night,
>>and phoned on this morning - is SOLD.  I'll have to keep looking for this
>>relatively rare bike, as I think I have found what I was looking for.
>>Arne
>
>Hello Arne,
>I've had my eye lately on these Valkyries.  Did you have yours for long?
>How did you like it?
>I'm mostly curious, as I won't have the money to get anything that spendy
>for a good while (I'm a professional student).
>
>Thanks
>Carlos

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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 08:02:05
From: "R. Kaub" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Re: Fw: Prices

>X-ROUTED: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:48:06 -0500
>From: "Sandra Blackmer" <[e-mail]>
>To: "R. Kaub" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: Fw: Prices
>Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:44:07 -0500
>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4
>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4
>
>
>Hi Bob,
>
>Although our catalog does not list clear coated lines, we do offer them at
>the same price.  Simply add "S" behind the part number when ordering.
>
>Feel free to let this list of subscribers know that we offer this and we
>hope they will consider using Russell.
>
>We accept Visa and MasterCard and you may order via e-mail or phone @
>904-253-8980.
>A $5.00 flat shipping charge is added to any web site order shipped within
>the continental U.S.
>
>Thanks,
>Sandra Blackmer
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: R. Kaub <[e-mail]>
>To: Sandra Blackmer <[e-mail]>
>Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 12:58 PM
>Subject: Re: Fw: Prices
>
>
>>At 01:25 PM 3/2/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>> Dear Bob,
>>>
>>>We are pleased to provide you with the following information for your
>KLR650
>>>Kawasaki:
>>>#08316   brake line kit                          $46.59
>>>#40528  7mm x 1.0 Speed Bleeders    $12.97/set of 2
>>>
>>
>>Ms. Blackmer:
>>Thank you for your speedy response.
>>It has come to my attention-from subscribers to the KLR650 mailing
>>list-that the Russell stainless steel lines for the KLR650 do NOT have a
>>plastic or soft covering over the stainless steel braid and the brake line
>>will significantly chafe any bike parts that it rubs against while the bike
>>is moving.  In contrast, another supplier, "Fastline" is supposed to have a
>>clear plastic covering on their KLR650 aftermarket brake lines which
>>eliminates the chafing problem.  Is this the case?  If so, do you have a
>>recommendation for eliminating the chafing problem that might occur with
>>your line without requiring significant extra expense and installation
>>time.  Thanks.
>>Bob Kaub
>>State University of New York
>>PO Box 6000
>>Binghamton, NY  13902
>>607-777-2715
>>
>
>
>
>
Bob Kaub
State University of New York
PO Box 6000
Binghamton, NY  13902
607-777-2715

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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:52:23 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) E.A.R.  vs IDS

howdy,

Has anyone used both pipes on the same bike?  Like one right after the other.

Have any of you enterprising lads (or lasses) taken a decibel-meter to the two
pipes on the same bike for comparison purposes?

Would one be more apt to say the IDS is a significant (read: cutting down
sound) improvement over the EAR, or merely a mild step in the direction of
reducing noise?

And lastly, what is an acceptable interval before the repacking of fiberglass
is needed?

thanks,
Steve
(who reminds you that those who oppose us will stand ankle-deep in the blood
of their children)

98 R/XC 620
96 Virago 1100

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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 07:06:32 -0700
From: "Pokluda, Gino F" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) RE: Dare I ask (no KLR content)

Andy asks:
>Dare I ask what your views are on Harley's???????????
>
>Coming from England I'd be interested in how they are viewed over there.


I have owned two Harleys.  They were cool, neat and all hat stuff.  But just
not worth the money.  I'll take my Virago anyday.

Gino

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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 07:47:17 -0700
From: "Fred Hink" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) NKLR Encryption & Digital ID  NOT!!

Dear Digesters,

I want to appoligize for my blunder on my last post.  I didn't know that my
digital ID was an attachment.  Thanks to the "List Sweeper" CA Truk I am now
bleeding from every orfice.  I can blame my mistake on all the pain killers
making my brain turn to mush.
Thanks Ron for setting me straight. :<)

I won't do it again, until next time.

Fred

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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 09:06:20 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Cornell, Bob)
Subject: (klr650) Re: klr650-digest V2 #105

Andy asks:
>>Dare I ask what your views are on Harley's???????????


I have one and I love it.
I have a KLR and I love it.
I have a KDX and I love it.

Just gotta use each one for what it is meant to be used. I won't ride the
Harley in an Enduro, nor the KLR in a Hare Scrambles, nor the KDX to go out
to dinner.

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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 07:58:59 PST
From: "Juan Villarreal" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Rear brake lines

Is the plastic coating required for the rear brake lines?

Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR
"The Happy Hooligan"

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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 10:06:54 -0700
From: "Pokluda, Gino F" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) Rear brake lines

>>Is the plastic coating required for the rear brake lines?

No, since it runs through a nice loop that keeps it away from anything that
can be scarred by it.

Gino

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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:03:15 -0800
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR - Buy American ?

>Jeff & Lisa Walker wrote:
>>I prefer Jap and Euro engineering and
>>finish to American, and I have owned 14 different cars in the last 12
years.
>>Of those, only three were American...
>
>
>Hmmm...14 cars in 12 years...maybe you need to buy MORE American...seems
>like I see a lot of 14 year old American stuff still on the road...
>
My hobby was buying a car, fixing it up, cruise it for a while, sell it, and
buy another.  The time I spent on this hobby was therapy, and kept me out of
trouble.  Hey, most of those cars were bugs, and a few sports cars, like a
Triumph Spitfire, and a Fiat Spyder 2000.  I always had my bug and jeep
though, until my wife made me sell

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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 12:02:11 -0700
From: Bogdan Swider <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) new topic...

    Not as much of a bargain as you might think. Their taxes are
incredible, although they'll return motel taxes to you at the border. Wait
till you buy a bottle of booze, V.O. is at least twice as much as in
Colorado. It's all worth it when you eat at a chip truck. Fresh cut fries,
Yum!! Bogdan
> The loonie is 60 cents to the US $.  Everything but gas is a
> bargin...great
> roads and great people too!
>

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