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klr650-digest        Monday, October 18 1999        Volume 02 : Number 1033



(klr650) (NKLR) New Addy
Re: (klr650) NKLR Street Helmet
Re:(klr650) 6000 mi service horror
Re: (klr650) 6000 mi service horror
RE: (klr650) 6000 mi service horror
Re: (klr650) La KLR
(klr650) Fwd: Dr. Seuss (NMC)(Joke)
(klr650) Fwd: Dr. Seuss (NMC)(Joke)
(klr650) 1988 KLR650 for sale
(klr650) Re: NKLR Age Poll
Re: (klr650) KLR wins over GS
Re: (klr650) KLR wins over GS
Re: (klr650) (NKLR) New Addy
Re: (klr650) CAM BEARING SURFACE, UH-OH
Re: (klr650) Exhaust mod update

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:43:02 -0700
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) (NKLR) New Addy

Not that I'm expecting a flood of personal e-mail after this, but for the
record, my e-mail address has changed from [e-mail] to
[e-mail].

My old ISP just wasn't up to snuff...

Cheers,

Arne
KLR650 Listmeister
Eh 13

www.mac-d.com    MAC-D Homepage



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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:22:24 -0400
From: "Eric Jasniewicz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR Street Helmet

Crikey, the heck with that $65 anti-fog solution, just get a Fog City stick
on thing for around $15 I think.  I've got one on my Shoei RF800 and it
works perfectly.

Eric J
www.angelfire.com/ga/ericjazz KLR page
'98 KLR 650 20,000 miles


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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:53:53 -0700
From: "r. scott lamorte" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:(klr650) 6000 mi service horror

heya. speaking of horrors...


>Two questions: How often people find problems like this with dealers?
>Sounds like a lot of you have had bad service with your dealers.

yup. i was in a hurry to get some 'streetier' tires on my bike for a recent
2000 mile road trip. got a great price on tires and install... BUT... when
he put the rear tire back on, he put BOTH brake pads on the right of the
disk rotor. so basically i ground aluminum caliper for 200 miles before it
started to feel funny.

a mechanic is just some guy in a shop, but he's just some guy just like you
(unless you are a gal). he might be great, or he could be weak. but he's
not some wizrd with an inate way of doing bike repair the "right" way.


>Second question:  Is there a good way to make this 2 left-handed, 10 thumbs
>aerospace engineer/physicist into a decent mechanic?  I want to know just
>from hearing that I'm 'sucking air somewhere'.  Are local college courses
>reasonable?  Suggestions?

a class might be good, but i found the best way is to learn along the way.
get to understand your bike, and pay attention when things sound or feel
different. take it to someoen who knows how to explain the problem to you,
or get the manual and try to translate it from mechanic to english.
disassemble the part carefully, and try to understand the physics involved.
draw pictures about it. get the right tools; you are a tool-using ape, make
the best out of it.

above all, learn from your mistakes.

scott
(who just discovered he has an "A4L" not an A5...)



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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:17:02 -0700
From: "r. scott lamorte" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) 6000 mi service horror

>"Righty tighty, Lefty Loosey",

good god, i thought i was the only one that still said that in my head!!!

and i still have images of my shop teacher telling me how to correctly use
tools like tin-snips and files. thanks, mr. casell!


>The best service
>manual I ever owned was for my VW Bug.  It was titled "How to Keep Your VW
>Alive, A Step by Step Guide for the Complete Idiot."  Absolutely grand.  It
>was through this manual that I became proffecient at wrenching on VW's, and
>then I realized that with a good manual, I can maintain or repair ANYTHING!

YES! that manual rocks! in fact, i would recommend that whatever vehicle
you buy, you also buy that VW manual, if you want to learn how to work on
mechanical items in general.

- -scott



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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:21:32 -0700
From: "r. scott lamorte" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) 6000 mi service horror

>It is a bummer to check my valves, find them ok, and end up with a valve
>replacement needed.  All due to an apparent movement of the timing chain.
>Which was not described as being a possible source of trouble.

[snip]

>Unfortunately, mechanics is not like that.  There is an assumed basic
>knowledge base.  Which I, and probably others do not have.

true. there is a basic assumed knowledge. i know about timing chains
because i dropped one once into the engine of my datsun 510, and found that
to be a very exxpenssive mistake. i had to disassemble almost the whole
motor to get the thing back.


>The whole intent of my post is to learn how to avoid the assholes who claim
>to be providing me a service, namely a dealer.

agreed. expensive, often shoddy work.

s



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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:02:06 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) La KLR

In a message dated 10/18/99 12:32:48 AM Central Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< http://www.kawasaki-fr.com/ >>
Did anyone check out the KLE 500 on this site???  Not too bad looking...
nice bash plate and instruments too.

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:28:24 EDT
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Subject: (klr650) Fwd: Dr. Seuss (NMC)(Joke)

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I realize this is non-miata related, but we all use computers right?

Brad and K.Bee (the bug slaying Miata)


> What If Dr. Seuss Wrote Technical Manuals?
> -------------------------------------------
>
> If a packet hits a pocket on a socket on a port,
> And the bus is interrupted as a very last resort,
> And the address of the memory makes your floppy disk
> abort, Then the socket packet pocket has an error to
> report!
>
> If your cursor finds a menu item followed by a dash,
> And the double-clicking icons put your window in the
> trash,
> And your data is corrupted 'cause the index doesn't hash,
> Then your situation's hopeless, and your system's gonna
> crash!
>
> If the label on your cable on the gable at your house,
> Says the network is connected to the button on your mouse,
> But your packets want to tunnel to another protocol,
> That's repeatedly rejected by the printer down the hall.
>
> And your screen is all distorted by the side effects of
> gauss,
> So your icons in the window are as wavy as a souse,
> Then you may as well reboot and go out with a bang,
> 'Cause as sure as I'm a poet, the sucker's gonna hang!
>
> When the copy of your floppy's getting sloppy on the disk,
> And the microcode instructions cause unnecessary RISC,
> Then you have to flash your memory and you'll want to
> RAM your ROM,
> Quickly turn off your computer and be sure to tell your
> mom!
>






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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:31:18 EDT
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I realize this is non-miata related, but we all use computers right?

Brad and K.Bee (the bug slaying Miata)


> What If Dr. Seuss Wrote Technical Manuals?
> -------------------------------------------
>
> If a packet hits a pocket on a socket on a port,
> And the bus is interrupted as a very last resort,
> And the address of the memory makes your floppy disk
> abort, Then the socket packet pocket has an error to
> report!
>
> If your cursor finds a menu item followed by a dash,
> And the double-clicking icons put your window in the
> trash,
> And your data is corrupted 'cause the index doesn't hash,
> Then your situation's hopeless, and your system's gonna
> crash!
>
> If the label on your cable on the gable at your house,
> Says the network is connected to the button on your mouse,
> But your packets want to tunnel to another protocol,
> That's repeatedly rejected by the printer down the hall.
>
> And your screen is all distorted by the side effects of
> gauss,
> So your icons in the window are as wavy as a souse,
> Then you may as well reboot and go out with a bang,
> 'Cause as sure as I'm a poet, the sucker's gonna hang!
>
> When the copy of your floppy's getting sloppy on the disk,
> And the microcode instructions cause unnecessary RISC,
> Then you have to flash your memory and you'll want to
> RAM your ROM,
> Quickly turn off your computer and be sure to tell your
> mom!
>






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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:33:04 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) 1988 KLR650 for sale

Good condition.  17,800 miles.  Used primarily for street use.  Russel
Day-Long seat.  Russell SS brake lines. Throttle lock.  AVON AM24 Gripsters
(in good condition).  Removable topcase and windshield.  Spare Clearview +10"
shield.  Fresh brakes.  New front rotor.  Recent battery .  DID X-ring change
and new Sunstar sprockets.   Improved balancer parts.  Factory manuals.
Stock exhaust and carb.  Buying new home.  Need to sell.  $1750 OBO.  Wk.
[phone]  Hm. [phone].  20 miles south of Gainesville, FL.
Greg Sholar

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:24:39 -0500
From: "John Houchins" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Re: NKLR Age Poll

> We have heard from the ladies, Gino. Now how old did
> you say you were?
>
>I really did repy to this earlier, but it went off into the ether like a
KTM
>parts order.
>
>I'm 45 years young and still run two or three marathons a year.
>
>Gino

Must have gone to the same place as Ducati part orders! I'm slow
anserwing, have been camping for 4 days, mountain biking, little
fishing.

Wow, 45!  You look younger Gino, keep up the running if thats what
makes you look so good. Excuse me while I run to the frig..... seriously
I'm 52 with 70 yr old knees, I can bike though. Thats my story and I'm
stickin to it.

John


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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:35:08 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR wins over GS

In a message dated 10/17/99 8:59:37 PM, Smi5o writes:

<<
     Was that the Manhattan BMW on West St.? I was thinking of going over
there to look at their wares, but I was afraid of being snivelled at when
they found out I had (and was happy with!) a KLR. Nice to know the way is
clear.
>>

Oh. do it man, there's one salesman with long black hair and he's the one I
hung out with.
They are really cool there-neil

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:39:38 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR wins over GS

In a message dated 10/18/99 3:05:59 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<<Which racks of Tim's do you have?  I have his (mine now) Northwest Rack
with the E36 Givi saddle bags.
>>

I have the basic su racks in taxicab yellow for my softbags.  The way I see
it, if I hit a tree with my soft bag I may not crash and my bag may survive
- -neil

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:56:40 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) (NKLR) New Addy

In a message dated 10/18/99 6:44:26 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<<Not that I'm expecting a flood of personal e-mail after this, but for the

record, my e-mail address has changed from [e-mail] to

[e-mail].>>

So Nookie, how long did you have to look before someone allowed you to use
that name?
- -neil

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:41:38 +1000
From: Ted Palmer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) CAM BEARING SURFACE, UH-OH

Fred Hink wrote:
[cam bore damage]
> Sounds like your engine was run out or low on oil.
[etc]

I'll go with Fred on this.

There aren't many ways to fix it. If you _really_ wanted to fix it,
you would need another head or maybe the bores could be welded,
the head stress relieved and then the journals rebored. It would
probably be cheaper to get another head unless you had compelling
reasons to keep the original.
Gone are the days of Z900s with their individual, replacable cam
bearing shells.

Mister_T



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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:01:41 +1000
From: Ted Palmer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Exhaust mod update

I wrote:
[...]
> At least now I can draw up a meaningful dyno test regime so I don't
> have to hang around the shop umming and ahhinng and then forgetting
> to test something really interesting and then having to go back some
> other time to finish the job.
>
> Fun times ahead,

In the words of the Australain Toyota advert, "Bugger".
I was out roadtesting the muffler on Sunday night when the engine
made some internal noises and stopped. At that stage I was
accelerating from a set of lights.
I'm assuming I've slipped the camchain so I'll flip the lid on the
head this week and check.
Just as well it didn't let go at full power on the dyno, that would
have been much more embarassing.
No big drama as long as it's an easy fix...
If the fix is more involved, then it's just more time and money.
The only other hassle is that I didn't get a chance to dyno the
exhaust.
If there are fixes to be made that would in theory change the
efficiency of the motor and cloud subsequent dyno tests, then it's
no big deal to put the stock muffler back on and fit the DynoJet
recommended DJ136 main jet and graph a new baseline.
As is the custom, "it was going really well, just before it went bang"

"Bugger".

Mister_T



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