> legs (razors) - making all of these products produces toxins, and use =
of these
> products is only for aesthetics (read not needed)
> >
> > Well, I could go on and on, but I don't want to waste my time. Before
> preaching to others about their likes and dislikes that effect the envi=
ronment
> be sure your blameless.
> >
> > Alex ( who does not use - fingernail polish, hairspray, hair dye, mak=
e-up )
>
>
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 23:44:11 -0800
From: Mike Magier <magier@bentonrea.com>
Subject: (klr650) Nolan N100, melonhead
Anyone know if the N100 is available in XXL? I wear XXL in HJC helmet, and
am thinking of upgrading. I especially like the flipup chinbar concept.
Anyone using this helmet on the list? Is it as practical as it seems?
BTW, thanks to all for help in the Headlight Confusion of a month ago. Of
course, as everyone suggested, it turned out to be a fuse. I went ahead and
replaced the glass fuses with mini-blade types, mounted on the frame. So
far, so good . . .
Mike Magier
97A12
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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 07:45:04 +0000
From: Sarah Barwig <sarah@weddingchannel.com>
Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLRwilderness values
List, Sorry about this, I've been replying to the person directly in an effort to keep the non KLR list traffic down, but I just couldn't help myself here. Hit delete now if you're not interested.
"alyef@iname.com" wrote:
> Rob,
>
> I was responding to Sarah comments.
So, I was in fact correct when I said that you insist/assume that women use all those nasty products to fit into your own aesthetic (and I know what that means, thank you very much).
> I guess I was not very clear and direct with my points.
I don't know. I think you were quite clear. I just don't think they said what you wanted them to say.
> 1) Almost anything that we do has a negative impact. The best thing for the environment is for all of us to cease to existing. Most of us,however are not willing to do this because we like living and rightly so.
Rightly so? Rather presumptive. I see you feel in the majority here.
> 2) Often we see the speck that is in our brothers eye, but do not notice the log that is in our own eye. (human nature)
Ah. A parable. How lovely. I've got a tweezer's right here, if I could only get the angle right...
>
> 3) How can one judge another without knowing the person and all he does?
You judged me on the fact that my name is female. Yet you didn't feel that was wrong. Speaking of logs...
> When he is part of a group that is considered environmentally "bad", he is an easy target.
When he is a pompous ass, he is a fun target.
> How can anyone pass judgement on a person based on what he does 5% of his life? What about the other 95% of his activities.
Well, it's been a favorite pastime of the human race since we became verbal enough to have such concepts. Not really logical, but judgement usually isn't entirely logical anyway.
> 4) If we teach by example more than by condemning, we will be more successful.
<sarcasm>Ah wise one. Teach me. I have soooooooo much to learn from you. </sarcasm>
> 5) The examples that I gave were exaggerations, but there are many who really think that way. They just do not say it in public because 95% of the people would turn against them.
Many who really think which way? Clarity man! I thought you were subjecting the entire list to this tirade because you were going to make a f***ing point. So, I take it that you still feel you are in the majority here as to being one of those who would turn on the ecoterrorists? Or am I unclear on your point?
> 6) I have met people that put "saving the earth" above all else. It is wise to not waste the earth's resources, but sooner or later regardless of what we do the earth will end!
Yeah, milliseconds after the sun explodes.
> So we need to keep things in perspective. From my experience the "Earth Savers" want the wilderness without me in it, but want my tax dollars to "protect" it. I would like to go where my dollars go.
To Washington? I don't think you'd fit in a Senator's pocket, but if you wanna try...
> 7) Finally, thinking that people can somehow destroy the earth by their actions is very egotistical and erroneous.
It's true. The earth will not be destroyed by our actions here on the surface. It will continue to roil away inside long after it has shrugged us and all of our creations off like a skin rash.
My point is, I like the planet pretty much how it is right now. (Except for those bad smog days when it hurts to breathe.) But I like living in semi-wilderness and semi-pavedness, and rightly so (if I may quote you). My question is what will be done when all of the groundwater in the LA basin is either gone or poisoned by PCE, TCE, BTEX, MTBE, and everything else we leak into
it? (I ask this question as a geologist who spent the last 2 years working in a job where I cleaned up some of that mess.) And what will be done when the air blown in by the Santa Ana winds isn't any cleaner than the air it's blowing out. And what will be done when the only way to have undeveloped land as far as the eye can see in all directions is to pay to go to
Antarctica?
I know this isn't going to happen in my lifetime. But I fear that it may happen in 3 generations. Which is still too soon.
> > > 6) Don't use fingernail polish, hairspray, hair dye, make-up, shave your
> > legs (razors) - making all of these products produces toxins, and use of these
> > products is only for aesthetics (read not needed)
> > >
If you're going to make the wacky assumption that I don't know what aesthetics means but you do (and for the record, I believe that aesthetics are very necessary in making our lives bearable on this planet, but I don't personally subscribe to the Barbie doll model of aesthetics),...
>
> > > Well, I could go on and on, but I don't want to waste my time. Before
> > preaching to others about their likes and dislikes that effect the environment
you could at least use the right word above (it should be affect)
>
> > be sure your blameless.
and maybe even make the contraction above instead of using a possessive adjective.
>
> > >
> > > Alex ( who does not use - fingernail polish, hairspray, hair dye, make-up )
But we're wondering how you get the drag queen effect without it...
