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klr650-digest       Thursday, February 11 1999       Volume 02 : Number 030




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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:12:44 -0800
From: Tom Myers <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) How to Carry Extra Fuel?

>Anyone want a 10gal plastic tank for their KLR?..=)

Sounds cool, but if I was on a trip beyond 4 or 5 or 6 gallons I'd want a
steel tank that can be repaired using a welder or epoxy.

Tom

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:44:37 -0500
From: Stuart Heaslet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Dear Abby-FAQ You

At 01:20 PM 2/11/99 -0500, [e-mail] wrote:
> Dear Fireball Stu,
> Between my airbag suit and 200 lbs of gear, tools, and auxiliary
> fuel, I have often wondered how fast one could exit the bike in
> case of fire. Would you recommend carrying a fire extinguisher
> and if so what type/size and where would you stick it?
> Signed, Warming up in Redondo

I knew this would be a warm, furry evening.   Just when LA is posting
record lows, people close their houses and crank up the heat.  No factor
for HVAC ventilation and excess carbon monoxide (over and above normal
dose).  Where's Hiro?

I'll make sure your question is first on the list.

Stuart

"I was told that I needed to blow up a bus to join the righteous, but now
my lips are burned."


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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:54:10 -0500
From: Bill Haycock <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Getting it Up!

Just posted an article by Gino on "Getting it Up! Lifting your bike the
correct way.

check it out from the Home Page of dual Sport Web Site.

Bill

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:37:06 -0600
From: Alex Jomarron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) full circle

Gino wrote:
>To carry the fuel low, youwillneed a fuel pump to get it to the high =
carburetor. You begin to reachdiminishing returns quickly >with this =
project.
Which brings us full circle.
How many amps does a fuel pump draw, and can my KLR's charging system =
handle it?  ;-)))))

Alex Jomarron<--with earplugs inserted to avoid hearing the groans.....
Oak Park, IL USA

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:30:51 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) Smaller Tank?

I know I'm going to sound like a heretic around here, especially with all of
this talk about needing to carry MORE gas, for Gods sake, but I have a
question.

Will a KLR 600 tank fit on a 650?  I rarely need 6 gallons of fuel, and my
tank was filled with epoxy to fix a leak by some Mensa graduate in the dim
distant past, so I want to get another tank, and would like something smaller.

In a perfect world, I'd like my Urban Assault Vehicle to look more like a dirt
track bike than the Exxon Valdez.  I know that there are plastic tanks
available, but the one I'm familiar with also holds something like 5 gallons.

Anybody?  Any ideas?  I can do some mount fabrication if necessary.

Dennis, saving for a Big Gun now that the Cobra has fallen off and the stock
pipe is strangling the bike again.

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:27:08 PST
From: "Juan Villarreal" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Extra fuel, schmextra fuel...

>As with any non-standard fuel cell, you're taking a risk that can
threaten
>your life, a forest, all the animals and all the people in their
cabins.
>Think about it.  Ride conservatively and transfer the fuel into a safe
>container (your MC gas tank) as soon as space becomes available.

EXCELLENT POINT TOM!!!!!  Those thoughts have been on my mind throughout
this whole dialogue.  So glad you saw fit to highlight them.  Too often
these "other factors" get lost in our quest to go
"higher-farther-and-faster."  Nothing could eliminate our off-road fun
faster than some half wit torching a few thousand acres of Northern
California outback, not to mention the sheer waste and stupidity of such
an incident.  I agree, let's think about what we're doing...

Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR
"The Happy Hooligan"


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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 99 18:15:24 PST
From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Gas Cap Leaks

List,

Every time I fill up the gas tank and then ride any distance gas seeps =
out from under my gas cap. I am careful not to fill up the tank above the=
 neck of the tank but still get the seepage from under the cap. After abo=
ut 50 miles the seepage stops. This has been happening ever since I got =
the bike used with 1400 miles on it. Any body also have a similar problem=
?

Alex
'97 KLR (3300 miles =3D 5200 km)

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:25:05 -0700
From: "Fred Hink" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) (NKLR) Vote NO on more "Wilderness"

Environmentalist (Wilderweenies) are trying to lock everyone out of OUR
public lands.  CNN is conducting an opinion poll that you can take part in.
Check out http://www.cnn.com/TECH/science/9902/09/utah.wilderness.enn/ and
make your vote count.

Fred Hink
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                    Arrowhead Motorsports
http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/index.html *NEW*
                           435-259-7356
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:39:27 -0800
From: "Robert Morgan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) (NKLR) Vote NO on more "Wilderness"

Remember folks, VOTE EARLY...VOTE OFTEN!
Morgan
I voted 5 times

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:32:21 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) wilderness values

i will not take any "motorheads" advice on voting down more wilderness. more
natural lands are imperative as a mitigation to our "effect" of creating a
desert out of every type of "land use" we create. we are already in an
overpopulation situation. and these last remaining wild lands are to valuable
for cleanliness & quantity of water, air, biodiversity,  open space,  habitat
for the other biology & services we depend upon and recreation oportunities
much more important than our pastime of riding over the land on motors. that
includes jet skiis & snowmobiles.  motorcycles (and all motors)
morally should be deligated to practical, functional purposes, like
transportation inorder to reach natural areas where we can do higher quality
forms of recreation in (such as hiking, non-motorized, less impact forms,
natural expressons, climbing, river running,
mountaineering, mtn. biking, forms that require our own physical interaction,
appropriate technology, more sustainable, healthier, etc.) we need to look
beyond our own self interest (riding motrcycles) and think of the greater
good. can we do that?
we've never done it yet. we need to change our attitudes to healthier less
impact choices.
hey i love to motorcycle- but i use it for transportation- not the final
recreation goal-
the other non-motorized forms of recreation are more fun, healthier (on mind &
body) and gentlier on  our future.
i will always vote to preserve nature during this era of subsidized fossil
fuels (changing our attitude to devalue nature) we do nothing to give back to
nature, we always take & take. it can't go on much longer and still keep our
quality of life high.
if your an astute naturalist you already have seen severe degradation in
wildlife, rivers, all freshwater habitats, the ocean, the forests (4% of
pristine old growth left, etc.) riding motorcycles is nothing compared to the
pleasures of enjoying the wonder of nature- naturally.
don't lose your perspective.
mark schuette
"bicycle carriers for motorcycles"

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:41:34 -0800
From: "Robert Morgan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) wilderness values

The tire on my mountain bike does not do any more damage than the tire on my
motorcycle.
I don't believe my lungs put out any more co than my 4 stroke does per mile.
I don't think anybody that walks instead of rides has any more rights to the
real estate that my tax dollars support than theirs does.
Watch out here pardner, your on thin ice!
Morgan

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:04:59 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) wilderness values

On 2/11/99, [e-mail] writes: snip
>...think of the greater good.

 I always strive to Mark. It seems to me that you've fallen short
 this time. Is the 'overpopulation situation' you're talking about
 the same one that was preached back in school? Then don't support
 crisis hotlines, support abortion! And while you're at it don't preach
 to me that your mtn.biking or rafting are somehow closer to God
 than my preference for moto. When will we have enough preserves
 for your taste? I'm not supporting opening areas that have already
 been set aside, but where does it end? I have found a way to enjoy
 nature while on my motorcycle. Hiking to the top of Half Dome is a
 different kind of enjoyment. I want and now have both. I suggest you
 rethink your perspective.
 Yours Truly,
 Citizen Redondo Ron

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:30:36 -0700
From: "Skip Faulkner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR Dear Abby-FAQ You

>
> Dear Fireball Stu,
> Between my airbag suit and 200 lbs of gear, tools, and auxiliary
> fuel, I have often wondered how fast one could exit the bike in
> case of fire. Would you recommend carrying a fire extinguisher
> and if so what type/size and where would you stick it?
> Signed, Warming up in Redondo
>

 Ron,
    There are several places you could stick it, but only one of them is
worth the effort. Since I`m a macho male, I choose to carry mine somewhere
more readily accessible. I carry my 9" Halon bottle in the side pouch of my
Eclipse tank bag. Great for runaway camp fires.

 Skip ( who makes good use of the Halon after the Texas Chili)

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 04:35:33 +0000
From: Sarah Barwig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) wilderness values

Robert Morgan wrote:

> The tire on my mountain bike does not do any more damage than the tire on my
> motorcycle.

True

>
> I don't believe my lungs put out any more co than my 4 stroke does per mile.

Right. I believe they put out less.

>
> I don't think anybody that walks instead of rides has any more rights to the
> real estate that my tax dollars support than theirs does.

Agreed.

But making it a wilderness area means that noone can go in it. At least, that's
what I've been able to gather from having read a Draft Environmental Impact
Statement from the BLM about one of my favorite pieces of desert.

Have you read any more about this than what's on the commonly available news
servers (watered-down pap IMHO)?

Sarah

>
> Watch out here pardner, your on thin ice!

we all are. What happens when there's no more oxygen left... Pretty fragile
planet for us to keep on pissing on it like we do.

>
> Morgan

- --
Work like you don't need the money
Dance like noone is watching
And love like you've never been hurt
                --Mark Twain

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:37:27 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) wilderness values NKLR

In a message dated 2/11/99 7:55:33 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Watch out here pardner, your on thin ice! >>
Uh Oh, this could get real ugly! Remember NKLR everybody!!!

Oh, by the way, Illinois has a lot of preserved areas, but barely any we can
ride a motorcycle on. Snowmobiles and mountain bikes...but no motorcycles. Why
is that I wonder???

Bill Swindle (Who goes to other states to ride on preserved land)
A12 "Moose"
Montgomery, IL.

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:45:13 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) Tengai start - (thnx MrT & Kurt)

I got the Tengai started and want to thank those who gave me advice --
especially Mr. T and Kurt.  You guys were real helpful in my thought process.
It is with some embarrassment that I admit that the non starting problem was
due to my own carelessness.  I attatcked  too many things at once and, in
short, did some wire wrong.

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 99 21:03:29 PST
From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Gas Cap Leaks

Brian,

There was fuel leaking out from under the gas cap. It turns out that the =
previous owner had reversed the hoses that go from the tank to the cannis=
ter. I fixed it. So, next fill up I will see if it is a cure.

Thanks for the reply

Alex
- ----------
>     Are you referring to actual fuel leaking out ? If so, I've never =
heard of
> this, however if you are referring to a vacuum leak from the gas cap, =
then
> yes. My A12, and many others listers have mentioned it occurs for almos=
t a
> complete tank of gas. Back in October / November there was a discussion=
 on the
> list with the different cures, at the time it wasn't an
> issue for me, so I missed the ultimate cure.
> Check :    http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=3Dklr650
>
> Brian
>
> "[e-mail]" wrote:
>
> > List,
> >
> > Every time I fill up the gas tank and then ride any distance gas seep=
s out
> from under my gas cap. Alex
> > '97 KLR (3300 miles =3D 5200 km)
>
>

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:04:21 -0700
From: "Skip Faulkner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR wilderness values

>transportation inorder to reach natural areas where we can do higher
quality
>forms of recreation in (such as hiking, non-motorized, less impact forms,
>natural expressons, climbing, river running,
>mountaineering, mtn. biking, forms that require our own physical
interaction,
>appropriate technology, more sustainable, healthier, etc.) we need to look
>beyond our own self interest (riding motrcycles) and think of the greater
>good. can we do that?
>
mark schuette
>"bicycle carriers for motorcycles"


 Mark,
    I don`t want to start another "non-KLR" discussion here, but I will say
that while I respect your opinions and agree to a point with some of them,
you can`t go stating that what is "recreation" to you, should be "recreation
" for everyone else. For your views to be respected, you have to respect the
views of others, whether you agree or not. Just because you don`t use your
motorcycle for recreation, doesn`t give you or anyone else the right to
dictate that I shouldn`t use MY bike for recreation. That`s your choice, and
while we still have a Constitution and a Republic form of government, I have
MY choice.
   One last thing; here in Montana , we are having a serious problem with
damaged areas in our wilderness areas due to soil erosion caused by , guess
what, too much mountain bike use and too high  a density of hikers wearing
aggressively soled footwear. Go figure.
   I mountain bike quite a bit and was doing so long before it was a fad,
but because I only ride Forest Service roads, everyone else should limit
their travel to the same, right Mark?
   That`s a very small amount of my .02 worth, and all I`ll say. I promise

  Skip

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:11:09
From: Guy Cheney <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Mime-Version: 1.0

Hello All,

My '96 came to me with a Cobra exhaust (yes, very loud) and a K&N jet kit
(I'm not sure what size jet or what groove the needle is set at).  The top
of the air box was drilled out with 15 1/2" holes and the air filter was
stock.  The pilot screw plug has also been removed but I do not know how
many turns out the screw has been reset at.  All this seemed to be in
balance, I had no flat spots, the bike started easily, idled smoothly and
pulled well from idle to redline.

Yesterday I put in a K&N air filter and the performance changed.  It still
starts easily, and idles well. It pulls strongly from 5000 rpm on up, maybe
even a little stronger than before  The trouble is a sense of "flatness" in
the midrange, between 2000 and 4500 rpm at less than full throttle.

I've been to the archives and searched for and read many of the posts that
pertain to setting up/rejetting/adjusting carbs.  I'm a bit lost, I must
admit. Your input as to logical sequence of steps to resolve this condition
would be greatly appreciated.  HELP!

Thaks,

Guy Cheney

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