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From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #25 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Tuesday, February 9 1999 Volume 02 : Number 025 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 15:14:21 -0800 From: Brian <brbo@uniserve.com> Subject: [Fwd: (klr650) Buying in Canada...NKLR] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------D0DBD5183565E54FB9B5EF81 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --------------D0DBD5183565E54FB9B5EF81 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <36C0BEF1.4DDADCCD@uniserve.com> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 15:04:17 -0800 From: Brian <brbo@uniserve.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kurt Simpson <ajax@xmission.com> Subject: Re: (klr650) Buying in Canada...NKLR References: <004501be5318$c41b5a40$b00946a6@kurt> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------B2A7712C2E3D232230BB134D" - --------------B2A7712C2E3D232230BB134D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kurt,, I said that I would check into it and had a chance today, so I thought I would pass along the information I got. Now remember that all the information with state law refers to Washington, which should be relatively similar to Utah. Now this is NOT a grey market bike, it is a new exported bike that is road worthy. You need 2 things changed: 1. speedo must have miles (Canadian version does not) 2. must have an EPA sticker (Canadian version does have) So initially the only modification required is the speedo. All Canadian taxes - PST (provincial sales tax) and GST (goods and services tax) are refunded from US Customs on account that exported vehicles do not require to pay taxes. If you licence it to ride on the road in Utah you will have to pay you local state tax on the value. Finally the last factor that matters is that duty does apply - - 10% on first $1000. and .7% on balance. So this means that on $5482.(the quoted Canadian price from a dealer - with one left for '99) the duty applicable would be $131.37 Canadian. Here's how it adds up,,, $5482.C = $3654US (@1.50%) Retail Price $ 131.37 = $ 87.US (@ 1.50%) Duty Price $------- = $ your local tax $------- = $ speedo ($200.max) ____________________________ $3941.58 + local tax (ie.7%) = $ 4217.49 >From my discussion, I got that a lot of Americans do this on account he knew exactly what all the perimeters where, he said that on a $5500 bike the savings will be app. $400-$600 US, it really becomes a big savings once you start talking about $10K bikes like the F4. He says on an average being right on the border they sell 10-15% of their business to Americans. FYI Brian. - --------------B2A7712C2E3D232230BB134D Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Kurt,, I said that I would check into it and had a chance today, so I thought I would pass along the information I got. Now remember that all the information with state law refers to Washington, which should be relatively similar to Utah. Now this is NOT a grey market bike, it is a new exported bike that is road worthy. You need 2 things changed: 1. speedo must have miles (Canadian version does not) 2. must have an EPA sticker (Canadian version does have) So initially the only modification required is the speedo. All Canadian taxes - PST (provincial sales tax) and GST (goods and services tax) are refunded from US Customs on account that exported vehicles do not require to pay taxes. If you licence it to ride on the road in Utah you will have to pay you local state tax on the value. Finally the last factor that matters is that duty does apply - 10% on first $1000. and .7% on balance. So this means that on $5482.(the quoted Canadian price from a dealer - with one left for '99) the duty applicable would be $131.37 Canadian. Here's how it adds up,,, $5482.C = $3654US (@1.50%) Retail Price $ 131.37 = $ 87.US (@ 1.50%) Duty Price $------- = $ your local tax $------- = $ speedo ($200.max) ____________________________ $3941.58 + local tax (ie.7%) = $ 4217.49 From my discussion, I got that a lot of Americans do this on account he knew exactly what all the perimeters where, he said that on a $5500 bike the savings will be app. $400-$600 US, it really becomes a big savings once you start talking about $10K bikes like the F4. He says on an average being right on the border they sell 10-15% of their business to Americans. FYI Brian. </html> - --------------B2A7712C2E3D232230BB134D-- - --------------D0DBD5183565E54FB9B5EF81-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:46:06 -0700 From: "Kurt Simpson" <ajax@xmission.com> Subject: Re: (klr650) Buying in Canada...NKLR >Kurt,, >You need 2 things changed: 1. speedo must have miles (Canadian version does not) > 2. must have an EPA sticker (Canadian >version does have) > >So initially the only modification required is the speedo. >All Canadian taxes - PST (provincial sales tax) and GST (goods and services tax) are >refunded from US Customs on account that exported vehicles do not require to pay >taxes. If you licence it to ride on the road in Utah you will have to pay you local >state tax on the value. Finally the last factor that matters is that duty does apply >- 10% on first $1000. and .7% on balance. So this means that on $5482.(the quoted >Canadian price from a dealer - with one left for '99) the duty applicable would be >$131.37 Canadian. Brian, Vik, Hungree and others, thanks for all your help. I called Blackfoot in Calgary yesterday and got a similar price, around $3,600 American. Then I started making the calls to customs, the state, etc. It looks like there are distinct issues. The GST is one. Blackfoot won't sell to an American unless they ship it via a bonded shipper to a customs port. They offered to have one of their staff members appear on the sale however. So, this does not seem to be a problem. The state, Utah is very relaxed about things...all they want is paperwork including a manufacturers statement of origin MSO and receipts. Then a customary safety check. The big issue is customs as if you get this wrong they can confiscate the bike. I couldn't get the Blackfoot sales rep to do anymore than check with one of his colleagues who told him it isn't a problem because it is a street/dirt bike. He wouldn't couldn't tell me if the bike has an EPA sticker. This is the biggee as it has to meet the EPA standards and have a stamp, certificate or whatever. I searched online for the EPA stuff and it will take some more work. I wonder if the speedo is a DOT issue...if it is and (not a state) than that would have to be done before the bike cleared customs. Your info is much more definitive. Can you give me a contact name? I'm kind of up for an adventure and I'm having trouble getting anyone to match Gino's 4,300 for the DR350SE. Thanks again, Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:13:29 -0500 (EST) From: miketortuga@webtv.net (michael Stecyk) Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR & tank bags Dear List I have same magnetic Tecknic tank Bag as MR. Vic----I second the recomendation--Mike (montreal a11) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:59:33 EST From: Cloudhid@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Big Gun... The first run of Big Gun exhausts for the klr are ready now. To order call Mike Young, (909) 948-7029 8am - 5pm (PDT) Redondo Ron (To: CA Stu, if you don't post your impressions on the list, I'd still like to hear your feedback.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:21:54 -0500 From: "Brian Schoonveld" <schoonb@iei.net> Subject: (klr650) spin control - ------> Simplicity of design is another area that a DR350 excels in. It has no water hoses to snag or radiator to puncture in those occasional trail mishaps! But does the ..350 wish it had water cooling, to make it more durable and sophisticated? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 18:44:15 PST From: "Juan Villarreal" <villarrealjuan@hotmail.com> Subject: (klr650) Kawasaki tank bag "Can anyone recommend a good tank bag that will fit the KLR other than the one made by Kawasaki? I understand the Kawasaki one may not be too durable." I have the Kawasaki tank bag-- it proved to be a disappointment on a recent trip. The expansion zipper fell off before I was able to use it. Okay I asked for it... I should have known better than to take it out of the box. The clear plastic separated from the black vinyl in no time flat. My fault again... I was staring too intently at the map it was holding. I ripped the rest of the plastic out, took it to a shoe repair place and had them sew the little map slot shut and re-install the errant zipper-- all for $2. You gotta love these Panamanian sweatshops! I'm pleased as punch with it now. For what it's worth... Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR "The Happy Hooligan" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 20:53:21 -0600 From: "J.P.Zucht" <hungree@sk.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: (klr650) Soft bag supports Fred Hink wrote: >Supposedly there are some side racks made by Kawasaki for the KLR. I have >not seen them nor can my Kawasaki dealer find a part number for them. The >rumor is that they should sell for around $80. >Has anyone seen these racks or know of a part number??? I just saw a pix and description in the "Fire + Steel" Accessories catalog at my local dealer. Also a P/N. He couldn't find it on his microfiche... I can get the P/N if someone wants it. hungree (I also wondered how they would compare with Tim's) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 20:00:12 From: Guy Cheney <guycheney@mindspring.com> Subject: (klr650) High Octane Fuel The local motorcycle parts and accessories emporium has 5 gallon cans of 108 octane "Racing Fuel." It's about $5 a gallon, about the price of ethyl at the pump in Canada, eh? As usual I have a laundry list of questions. (If you do not ask, Grasshopper, how are you to know?). Here goes: 1) If used regularly, can this gas harm the engine? (Burn valves or such?) 2) Does timing or anything else (carburetion?) need to be adjusted? 3) 93 octane is the highest one can get out of the pump around here. Mixed half and half you'd get about 100 octane. Anybody played around with this before? How much faster will I be able to get to the next traffic jam? Guy "What's a little gas between friends" Cheney ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:05:57 -0800 From: "Robert Morgan" <robertlmorgan@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: (klr650) Kawasaki tank bag I too shared a similar failure to Juan with my Kawasaki tank bag. The plastic separated from the edge banding leaving the bag unclosable. Prior to that I used it daily and liked the design and mounting method a lot. I think mine is probably easily repaired by the local sailmaker, I am going to try a different window material if possible. I would like to take this opportunity to praise Tim Bernards side racks again. Too cool, too hip, too now! No really great addition to the bike, superb craftsmanship, great fit and finish. It is my understanding that Tim may have a new soft luggage/rack innovation on the horizon but I won't steal his thunder. I like my Kawasaki tank bag but I think it could be improved. A nice addition would be a loop under the plastic to suspend a pocket watch or a strapless wrist watch for easy viewing. Possibly a little more volume and maybe side pockets for keys and stuff you don't want to fish for. Morgan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 14:05:34 -0800 From: "Boyd/Blair (Doug)" <bblair@bc.sympatico.ca> Subject: (klr650) KLR ? Here's one; What does K L R stand for? Doug Boyd Vancouver A 12 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 23:44:35 EST From: FTabor231@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) High Octane Fuel Guy, the higher octane will let you lug the engine a little lower on the tach, but will not get you much without higher compression. Save you money and get your other honey a Vday gift Frank ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 23:47:35 EST From: FTabor231@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Kawasaki tank bag Morgan, wouldn't a $25 bicycle speedo work well for average speed, odometer, time, date and maximum speed? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 23:27:20 +0000 From: Tom Simpson <bullet45@usit.net> Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR & tank bags Personaly, I run a Tourmaster TB-12 (the little one) perched atop the hump of the gas tank. It works well. - -Tom '96 KLR 650 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:22:09 -0700 From: "Skip Faulkner" <msfaul@digisys.net> Subject: Re: (klr650) Soft bag supports , is it >>necessary to get a set of metal braces to keep the bags off the sides of >>the plastic? >> >>If so, which are the preferred? >> >>Norm >Hi Norm, > >Supposedly there are some side racks made by Kawasaki for the KLR. I have >not seen them nor can my Kawasaki dealer find a part number for them. The >rumor is that they should sell for around $80. > >Has anyone seen these racks or know of a part number??? > >Fred Hink >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Fred, Mine are due in the 12th. Cost, $47. They have supposedly been beefed up from the original design. I`ll let you know if it`s thumbs up or down. Skip ( who`s got a feeling it`ll be thumbs down ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:21:07 -0000 From: "Eric Jasniewicz" <ericjazz@mindspring.com> Subject: (klr650) Arai Dual-Sport opinions? I'm considering the Nolan N100, Nolan X1001, Arai Quantum, Arai Dual-Sport. I've never heard any comments or recommendations regarding the Dual-Sport. Anyone out there care to comment/suggest? TIA Eric J ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:35:03 +0000 From: Tom Simpson <bullet45@usit.net> Subject: Re: (klr650) Soft bag supports At 10:22 PM 2/9/99 -0700, Skip Faulkner wrote: >, is it >>>necessary to get a set of metal braces to keep the bags off the sides of >>>the plastic? >>> >>>If so, which are the preferred? >>> >>>Norm > >>Hi Norm, >> >>Supposedly there are some side racks made by Kawasaki for the KLR. I have >>not seen them nor can my Kawasaki dealer find a part number for them. The >>rumor is that they should sell for around $80. >> >>Has anyone seen these racks or know of a part number??? >> >>Fred Hink >>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >Fred, > Mine are due in the 12th. Cost, $47. They have supposedly been beefed up >from the original design. I`ll let you know if it`s thumbs up or down. > > Skip ( who`s got a feeling it`ll be thumbs down ) > > My approach was to cut and bend a piece of aluminum plate to bolt to the exaust system underneith the RH side cover, preventing it from being pressed into the hot muffler. The plate is oversized and hang down well below the bottom of the panel, guargin the entire exhaust system. No further heat damage to the side panels has occured. I have a piece of sheepskin laced into the straps for the saddlebags as a seat cover, with extra flaps of the sheepskin hanging down to protech the side panels from the rubbing of the bags. - -Tom Hoping to overhaul his websight soon. '96 KLR 650 ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V2 #25 ***************************