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klr650-digest        Wednesday, January 6 1999        Volume 01 : Number 448




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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 13:06:25 -0600
From: Rick <" kd4iyc"@airnet.net>
Subject: (klr650) unsubscribe

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:20:40 -0700
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) An Introduction

>I have a '93 KLR and I'm its third owner. Upgrades include a WP shock,
>Lindemann revalved forks, steel brake lines, K&N air filter. I have some
>Givi bags, but no mounts for the KLR yet. I'd like to make my own mounts,
>since it seems to me the conventional ones are oriented to allow a
>passenger, something I rarely have, and this makes the front end pretty
>light. I've been using soft bags in the mean time. Any thoughts?


Hey Phil welcome... tell us that story about the WP shock and the Lindemann
revalved forks (especially)...we've only heard about those forks from Eldon
Carl.

Kurt A12
Bountiful, UT

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:25:01 -0700
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) High End Dump...

Thought I would seek the collective wisdom. I drive my A12 like the grandpa
I should be (late start in fathering). But yesterday I honked on it pretty
good. Funny thing happened. Wound it to 7K in second and when I upshifted I
lost any throttle...the rpm's dropped to 5K and held there but the twist of
the throttle brought no response for a second or two and then it caught and
started to rev. Did the same in third and fourth.

I have a stage III kit with Trapp IDS 12 discs at 4,800 ft. Is this fuel
starvation? Could I possibly need a bigger jet? Or, have I lost the top end
from airbox mods? I figured I would start by swapping larger and smaller
mains and removing the airbox lid with each. But point me in the right
direction...

Runs like a Tiger otherwise...starts beautifully...runs strong in low and
mid-range...

Kurt A12

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 17:08:05 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) An Introduction

Welcome to the list Phil. You are a lurker no longer! What a great web site
you have. So much stuff, and great bike travel articles to boot! Great KLR
pictures also.
I have a feeling you'll be able to add alot to our group. Interesting setup on
the KLR. Let us know your opinions of your mods.

Bill Swindle
A12
Montgomery, IL.

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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 14:26:27 PST
From: "Juan Villarreal" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Sealed battery

"When you get the Power Max in your hands let us know Juan so that we
can confirm that a sealed battery in fact exists."
Kurt

Where are my manners?  I should have put out the info on the initial
e-mail.  For the record:

          Dennis Kirk. Dirt Bike & ATV Catalog '98
          Page 249, Part #20-0361, Current price of $73.99
          Phone [phone]

I called my order in today and was told they were in stock (shipment
date of today or tomorrow).  I've heard Fred Hink also carries them, but
I don't know for sure.  This thing can supposedly be charged over 90% in
less than one hour (on a regulated charger).  Well keep you all posted
on how it goes.

Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR
"The Happy Hooligan"





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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 18:06:48 -0500
From: FRED NEMIROFF <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) GIVI BAG Mounts

GIVI now has mounting brackets in stock for the KLR - its their own
bracket.  They are tubular and are purpose made for the KLR - that is,
they won't mount on another bike with just changing some hardware. I
have them and are very pleased with fit (finish ain't bad either).

Keep it on the wheels.

Fred

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 17:13:37 -0700
From: "Fred Hink" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) High End Dump...

- -----Original Message-----
From: Kurt Simpson <[e-mail]>
To: KLR List <[e-mail]>
Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 7:39 AM
Subject: (klr650) High End Dump...


>Thought I would seek the collective wisdom. I drive my A12 like the grandpa
>I should be (late start in fathering). But yesterday I honked on it pretty
>good. Funny thing happened. Wound it to 7K in second and when I upshifted I
>lost any throttle...the rpm's dropped to 5K and held there but the twist of
>the throttle brought no response for a second or two and then it caught and
>started to rev. Did the same in third and fourth.
>
>I have a stage III kit with Trapp IDS 12 discs at 4,800 ft. Is this fuel
>starvation? Could I possibly need a bigger jet? Or, have I lost the top end
>from airbox mods? I figured I would start by swapping larger and smaller
>mains and removing the airbox lid with each. But point me in the right
>direction...
>
>Runs like a Tiger otherwise...starts beautifully...runs strong in low and
>mid-range...
>
>Kurt A12
>
>
>

Kurt,

I would suspect that your hesitation is caused by the cold air temp. and
maybe that your bike might not have been warmed up to operating
temperatures.  The CV carb can mask all sorts of problems.  They operate off
of engine vacuum to open the slide.  If the slide is gummed up or is
sticking then that could cause your problem too.  If your bike seemed to be
jetted correctly last year then I don't think I would go changing jets just
for the cold.  I believe it is good to every now and then to "run it through
the gears".  Babying an engine is not always good for it.  Carbon is formed
by low exhaust temps that can cause missing.

You might try putting back the air box cover and see if that helps.  Just
make sure your engine is warmed up good before testing it out.

Fred  (red lines were meant to be tested) that's my story officer and I am
sticking to it.

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:45:21 -0500
From: don roger <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) In (partial) defence of Joe Rocket Jackets

In Conall's link to jacket reviews, the was a short gripe disguised as a =
"review" of the Joe Rocket Ballistic Jacket.

I own one (Joe Rocket) and also have an Aerostich one-pc suit that I can =
use somewhat for comparison.

Here are my observations after 11/2 yrs of ownership.

Rather than "fashion statement" I find it a bit "basic", and could use =
some more pockets.

The zip-in vest is a bit of a joke.

On me, the waist is a bit on the high side.

On me, the neck is a bit small, so closure with extra layers underneath =
is difficult

On the good side,-

The newer ones have better armor in the  shoulders and elbows, it is =
comparable to the kit that Fieldsheer sell.

It seems quite waterproof.

It zips to the Joe rocket pants that I bought on the strength of my =
satisfaction with the jacket.

It washes easily, in fact its first three washes were done with soapy =
water, a brush and a hose, and me still in the jacket!

With a heavy polar fleece (Malden mills) jacket inside, and a polar =
fleece neck warmer, it kept me warm downhill skiing in -18 celcius at =
night.

It is good value for the money. At roughly $220US it seemed to me to be =
a good cost/features trade-off.

Based on my experience with my Aerostich suit, I'd have to say a Darien =
jacket is better for more money; but has the difficulty for me of a =
cross-border mail order thing that has the potential for customs =
hassles.

By the way (or BTW as some folks type it); any offers on a low-mileage =
aerostich one-piece? It is gray with black trim  and is US size 40. It =
really is free from any road scrapes and hasn't been used much. (I =
bought it used, and sort of hoped it wouldn't be too tight. It was and I =
also "grew"!

Don Roger

Oh! - the Joe Rocket ballistic pants are OK, a bit warm at 85F, and a =
bit cool in the crotch below about 40F.

They have only one pocket though, on the thigh, and its lined with some =
clammy-feeling material.
=00

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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 20:26:36 -0500
From: "J.Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) [Sorta NKLR] Ahhh, the list soothes my soul

Let's see, in 24 hours I have found out what I needed to know about the
rear shock, earmarked another $75 for Juan's newly discovered sealed
battery (pending his first class evaluation), Read a groovy review on
jackets (gracias Conall), Had Stuart from Juno Bch threaten to let me
see what another KLR looks/smells/sounds like, found out that Avons,
like marriage, are a long term commitment, met Phil and his web page,
found Eric's Godsend of a message declaring more electrons ARE available
with a new regulator and that CA Ron is in a gas battle with what I
think is his alter (evil) ego Hiro masked by one of those funky
anonymous emailer programs found at http://www.warez.com! Oh, and we
contemplated changing the format of this list just a few short weeks
ago....... Now if we could just get those d@#& DR 350 people to go away!

Jake, fat, dumb and pappy in ffreezing Florida (my low may be your high
today!)

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:11:42 -0700
From: "Steven \"scooter scum\" Johnson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) RE: Maxxis 6006

>          Just got back from the dealers where he was raving about
>Maxxis 6006 - said they were fantastic off road, and still good on
>road.  He was pretty down on Gripsters as far as dirtability went, which
>flys in the face of everything else I've heard.  What are the Maxxis'
>like for touring ie getting TO the dirt?  Anyone running them long
>distance on pavement?

Rick,
I ran a Maxxis 6006 on my KLX650C.  I loved them right
up to when I took them to Moab.  I drove down I70 for
350 miles and the tires disappeared!  For commuting, they
are great, for off-road, highly recommend them, for extended
periods of time on the Interstate...no way.

I can't remember the details, but I ran the tires, going
back and forth to work (about 7 miles each way) and
racked up around 500 miles.  The tires looked basically
new.

Then I did my trip to moab for a trip around the white rim.
I lost 1/3 of the tread going down the interstate at about 75 MPH.
Rode several dirt trails, no noticable wear, came back and lost
another 1/3 of the tread depth.

I love taking my KLX on the occasional tour, and have not
used the tires since.

The tires are priced right,  a 130/70-17 is mail order around
$53.  For commuting, dirt I would highly recommend them!

Steven "scooter scum" Johnson
'95 KLX650C - cheaper than therapy
'95 KLX250/321 - Just call me yellow britches
'95 K1100RS - Mileage Monster
'92 TDM850 - Dual sport of course

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:44:37 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) New member

Hello All--

My name is Jason and I'm a fairly new subscriber to the list and I love it!  I
have a '99 KLR and now know which mods to perform and how to actually do
them--great stuff and super website!--Anyways, I live in Phoenix, AZ and am
looking for info on trail riding outside of Phoenix, also looking for a riding
buddy--any help is appreciated!

Thanks,

Jason

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 20:27:09 -0700
From: "josh sammons" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) In (partial) defence of Joe Rocket Jackets

Speaking of waist belts.  Does anyone have one that fits in the right place?
I am tall, but a couple friends have tourtech jackets and a joe rocket and
the don't fit quite right either.  I really don't want to (and can't afford
to)spend mucho dinero to get a jacket that fits absolutly perfect.  I guess
i will have to spring for the kilimanjaro one of these days.  Hopefully it's
better than most in the waist dept.  Gimme you opinions.
josh





- -----Original Message-----
From: don roger <[e-mail]>
To: Klr650 Mail List (E-mail) <[e-mail]>
Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 5:40 PM
Subject: (klr650) In (partial) defence of Joe Rocket Jackets


>
>In Conall's link to jacket reviews, the was a short gripe disguised as a
"review" of the Joe Rocket Ballistic Jacket.
>
>I own one (Joe Rocket) and also have an Aerostich one-pc suit that I can
use somewhat for comparison.
>
>Here are my observations after 11/2 yrs of ownership.
>
>Rather than "fashion statement" I find it a bit "basic", and could use some
more pockets.
>
>The zip-in vest is a bit of a joke.
>
>On me, the waist is a bit on the high side.
>
>On me, the neck is a bit small, so closure with extra layers underneath is
difficult
>
>On the good side,-
>
>The newer ones have better armor in the  shoulders and elbows, it is
comparable to the kit that Fieldsheer sell.
>
>It seems quite waterproof.
>
>It zips to the Joe rocket pants that I bought on the strength of my
satisfaction with the jacket.
>
>It washes easily, in fact its first three washes were done with soapy
water, a brush and a hose, and me still in the jacket!
>
>With a heavy polar fleece (Malden mills) jacket inside, and a polar fleece
neck warmer, it kept me warm downhill skiing in -18 celcius at night.
>
>It is good value for the money. At roughly $220US it seemed to me to be a
good cost/features trade-off.
>
>Based on my experience with my Aerostich suit, I'd have to say a Darien
jacket is better for more money; but has the difficulty for me of a
cross-border mail order thing that has the potential for customs hassles.
>
>By the way (or BTW as some folks type it); any offers on a low-mileage
aerostich one-piece? It is gray with black trim  and is US size 40. It
really is free from any road scrapes and hasn't been used much. (I bought it
used, and sort of hoped it wouldn't be too tight. It was and I also "grew"!
>
>Don Roger
>
>Oh! - the Joe Rocket ballistic pants are OK, a bit warm at 85F, and a bit
cool in the crotch below about 40F.
>
>They have only one pocket though, on the thigh, and its lined with some
clammy-feeling material.
>
>From [e-mail]  Wed Jan  6 18:18:34 1999

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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:39:05 -0600
From: "Daniel L. Hill" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Sometimes you get what you need

Hey: last Sunday the weather got above 32f, so I broke out on my 97 KLR-650.
I ran across a VFR-800 at a stop light. I almost bought one, but my
insurance company wants 2k to cover that bike. I went with the used klr-650
sitting in the dealers back room. The insurance was 1/10 the coverage of the
new VFR. At the stop light, I looked over at the red rocket and then look
over my sitting tall KLR with a new sack of raw hide chews for my dog
strapped on the back. Man, sometimes what you want is not what you need. The
KLR-650 is one cool bike! Let the good times roll.

Daniel Hill
http://members.visi.net/~dlhill
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 23:38:37 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) [Sorta NKLR] Ahhh, the list soothes my soul

In a message dated 1/6/99 6:24:52 PM Mountain Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Now if we could just get those d@#& DR 350 people to go away! >>

Eh, excuuuse me?  If it weren't for some of those d@#& DR350 people, this list
would not exist, thank you very much.

Gino

'95 KLR650
99 DR350SE

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:38:05 -0700
From: "Bruce  H." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) High End Dump...

You said:
>I have a stage III kit with Trapp IDS 12 discs at 4,800 ft. Is this fuel
>starvation? Could I possibly need a bigger jet? Or, have I lost the top end
>from airbox mods? I figured I would start by swapping larger and smaller
>mains and removing the airbox lid with each. But point me in the right
>direction...

Kurt: I had asked the list about an off idle problem some time ago.  The
list was great and suggested looking at my pilot screw.    Turns out it was
5 turns out.  My point is, being in the 5,000ft altitude area you are almost
for sure too rich with your 150 main.  Here in Albuquerque, also 5,000ft. am
running the Stage 3, 12 discs, airbox mods and a 140 main.  Bangs redline in
the first four right now. (for a KLR)

One way to check, according to my Mikuni tuning guide, is to open the
throttle wide open, under a load, like a moderate hill. (3rd or 4th gear).
Back off about 1/4 throttle.  If the bike actually accerelates better at 3/4
than full throttle, you are TOO RICH.  When I tried the DynoJet 150 main, I
had the same problem.

BTW, DynoJet Tech support responded to an Email and said at 5,000ft I should
probably only be running the 140, or a 142 max.  Remember, the 150 is for
those guys around sea level.

Another good source for carb tuning is www.factorypro.com.  Great info on
Keihin carb tuning.  Wish DynoJet would have something similar.

Let us know where you find the problem.


>I have a stage III kit with Trapp IDS 12 discs at 4,800 ft. Is this fuel
>starvation? Could I possibly need a bigger jet? Or, have I lost the top end
>from airbox mods? I figured I would start by swapping larger and smaller
>mains and removing the airbox lid with each. But point me in the right
>direction...

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