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klr650-digest        Tuesday, November 24 1998        Volume 01 : Number 369




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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 23:57:11 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) RE:She got me a Supertrapp IDS Pipe!

<< In a message dated 11/23/98 7:43:03 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

 <<  I'd like to know how that thing
  holds up after more miles.  Specifically, is it touching on any plastic,
  and does it leak exhaust at the joint between the can and the intermediate
  pipe? >>

 Carlos,

 I haven't noticed any leakng. I used the high temp lube that came in the box
to fit everything together, it smoked for about the first 15 or so minutes as
it burnt off, but no leaking as of yet. Everything fit pretty tightly, it
didn't just slide together easily.I'll keep an eye on it though.

 Yeah it is the Quiet Core version.  I was glad that you let me hear your pipe
at the meeting, Because now I can give you a comparison between it and the
IDS. The IDS Quiet is quieter even with 7 discs in than I remember your bike
being. It really is only a little louder than stock (but waaay throatier) with
the 7 discs, so I imagine with fewer discs it could be as quiet/quieter than
stock.  I like it louder than stock though.

 The pipe(s) clears all of the plastic very well, and comes with a big spacer
to move it away from the bike in the back. No problems with the side panel
clearance either.
 I just had to mess with it a bit to get it set up just right, so it wasn't
touching anything. .It has a nice end cap with a tip that points down, and
points everything away from the fender. Works well.

 Hope this weather keeps up.....

 Talk to ya later,

Bill Swindle
A12
Montgomery, IL.

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 00:41:04 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) Traffic Signals and Motorcycles

In a message dated 11/23/98 5:44:21 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Big wheelies are
 always satisfying and you'll forget all about that stupid light.
  >>

Couldn't agree with you more!!! LOL.

Bill Swindle.
A12
Montgomery, IL.

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 00:45:47 -0500
From: "J.Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [Fwd: Re: (klr650) Night vis and safety (NKLR)]

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Carlos Yonan Gonzalez wrote:
  People get in the way of trains pretty often too,
> thinking that they have plenty of time. Although I've heard that large
> vehicles, such as trains (and your odd F-350) tend to mask their speed
> just due to their being large (which is translated in the brain to being
> slow), the fact that they actually have bright lights on them makes you
> think.

In support of your statement, I have noticed an increased propensity for
people to fudge city buses, dump trucks and other lumbering behemoths
for what I would guess is the same reason. I notice this mostly in right
hand turns on red lights (legal in Fla, elsewhere I cannot vouch) in
heavy traffic.

Jake

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 00:51:18 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) Traffic Signals and Motorcycles

In a message dated 11/23/98 5:44:21 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<<  If all else fails, pull a BIG wheelie.  Big wheelies are
 always satisfying and you'll forget all about that stupid light.

 Tom >>

Couldn't agree with you more! LOL.

Bill Swindle
A12
montgomery, IL.

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 03:21:45 -0000
From: "Eric Jasniewicz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Traffic Signals and Motorcycles

1.  If you're going to blow the light, and can't be sure of any cops around,
go real slow, and make it clearly obvious you are really, really being
careful.  Take it easy on the gas, mellow, mellow, mellow.  Put yourself in
the cop's shoes.  If he sees a bike at a red light, the rider is acting
pissed off, he guns it and blows through a light, he's gonna bag you.  Sit
up straight, and try to look as if you belong, as if you aren't doing
anything wrong.

Bluffing by looking as if you belong, works wonders in all areas of life.
Any of you guys ever walk into a Harley bar, after riding in on a crotch
rocket, wearing a long sleeve pink shirt, then get a pool table?  Done it at
the Red Dog, and that other bar, the Gatekeeper (?), in Middletown, CT.
Hey, I was just shootin' pool, so no lectures.

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 06:37:27 -0800
From: "Rob  Clement" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Night vis and safety

Skip, I'm interested in installing headlight oscillators on my bikes too.
Do you know a source for these, and what is their price?  Thanks.    Rob C.
'98 KLR650 3800mi
'98 Voyager XII 3300mi
'97 KLR250 1400mi
- -----Original Message-----
From: skip faulkner <[e-mail]>
To: KLR650 Page <[e-mail]>
Date: Sunday, November 22, 1998 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: (klr650) Night vis and safety


>
>flashing cycle lights
>>say that under most conditions where other illumination sources are
around,
>>that these are just about useless (and may be counterproductive since they
>>offer a false sense of security).
>>
>>The problem comes from two shortcomings. One is the simple lack of
>>luminance, which involves luminance contrast with competing sources of
>>illumination. The other is that the flash rate (apprx 6 Hz) is too quick
>for
>>night vision perception to take advantage of.
>>
>>You will notice that the 2-4 Hz rate of most emergency vehicles. These
>>involve spaced bursts of light, with high luminance. This gets your
>>attention. The bicycle flashers do not, or much less so, particularly at
>the
>>closing speeds associated with highways.   This all has to do with what is
>>called sensory memory, which could be the topic of a much longer post for
>or
>>by those interested in perceptual psychology.
>>
>>If you want to improve nighttime conspicuity, consider increasing the
>>luminance of your tail light, and pulsing when you apply your brakes, at
>2-4
>>Hz rate. There are halogen tail lamp bulbs available.
>>
>>Dr Robert
>>
>
>
>
>Dr Robert,
>   You`re right in the fact that frequency is very critical for
recognition,
>especially  at night with other light emitting clutter.
>    Up until 2 months ago, I had a small aircraft strobe with a red lens
>(aircraft strobes use xenon arc flash-tubes) mounted under my luggage rack.
>Apparently it worked too well, as I was stopped by the Hiway Patrol and was
>told to render it inoperative, there on the spot, and if I was caught
>operating it again, I would receive a citation as a hazard to traffic. I
>plan to appeal this, but haven`t had the time. I have some motor vehicle
law
>to research. The thing is it works so well, extremely bright (you can see
>aircraft strobes for miles) and it draws only 2.7 amps. I had a filter on
it
>to remove some of the glare to rearward traffic and tested it on people
>behind me that said it wasn`t TOO obnoxious.
>    I still have my headlight oscillator installed. I bought it at this
>summers BMW rally and it works great for daylight oncoming recognition.
>
>
>           Skip (who loves to be seen by others)
>
>
>

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>On 11/23/98, [e-mail] wrote: snip
>
>>It doesn't make sense to me to spend $1000.00 plus to try and
>>make it...[The DR650SEX]...what the KLR is out the box.
>
> I can't advise you on which dealership to get your klr from,
> but I can tell you that you need to unsubscribe from this list
> as fast as you can, or you may end up spending a lot more than
> $1000 in aftermarket goodies from reading the posts here...
>
> Redondo Ron (who has one for almost the price of two;-)
>
>

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 07:00:08 -0800
From: "Rob  Clement" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) new owner

KLR650s are both mechanically noisy (knocks, clatter) and durable, being
well-engineered (for example, the rod big end bearing is a roller rather
than a bushing type, and that's one source of the clatter).  I installed a
Cobra muffler (which I "relieved"  by drilling the internal baffle), which
not only gave me more power (#156 main jet installed); it also made the
mechanical noise less noticeable.  Now I just run the best oil I can find
(Amsoil), warm 'er up before I ride, and have a great time.  Previously, I
worried about the mechanical noise.  You (New KLR Owner) may want to compare
your bike's noise to another KLR's before you stop worrying; you may have a
problem if your bike is lots noisier.    Happy Riding!    Rob C.
'98KLR650A12 3800mi; '98 Voyager XII 3300mi; '97KLR250 1400mi.
- -----Original Message-----
From: James F McFaden <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Monday, November 23, 1998 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: (klr650) new owner


>At 11:46 PM 11/22/98 -0500, [e-mail] wrote:
>>
>>
>>As a new owner of a 91' KLR, I have a few questions about my new ride.
>>
>>1 - Low rpm thumping/banging that goes away after 2k rpm. (like a rod
>>knock) (  A knowledgeable friend heard the bike and says "most Kawasaki
>>singles make such a racket"  any comments??
>
>My new KLR650 made this annoying noise right out of the box (up to
>3000rpm's).  I listened to another '99 which made the same noise.  The
>owner didn't notice it as I do.  Kawasaki dealers and reps say it is normal
>for this engine.  I say it's poor design.
>
>>2 - Rattle from clutch basket that also goes away as clutch engages??
>
>Probably normal gear/clutch plate noise.
>
>Jim McFaden in Dallas
>
>

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 98 07:42:56 PST
From: "Marick Payton"   <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Headlight modulators

I think headlight modulators greatly improve one's daytime
visibility for city riding. I wouldn't ride without them.
Two good vendors are Kriss and Kisan Technologies. You can
find info on Kriss in the mags. I don't think Kisan advertises
as widely but, since I got mine from them, I can provide the
info:
Kisan Technologies
order line 1-888-004-kisan
www.kisantech.com

Good folks to deal with, in my experience.

Marick

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:10:38 -0600
From: "Bryce Hysjulien" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) RE: Pushrods

So, if Yamaha were to take half of its new 1600 it would be a 800 cc single
making roughly 45 ft/lbs. of torque.  They could probably stuff it in a
Super Tenere frame.  Where do I send the E-mail to try and convince them!

Bryce
KLR 650

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:47:26
From: "R. Kaub" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Carburetor

When working on the carb without removing it, should you swing the bottom
of the carb toward the chain side of the bike or the other way?  Thanks.
Bob Kaub
State University of New York
PO Box 6000
Binghamton, NY  13902
607-777-2715

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:25:42 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  (klr650) Carburetor

On 11/24/98, [e-mail] wrote: snip

>When working on the carb without removing it, should you swing the
>bottom of the carb toward the chain side of the bike or the other way?

 I rotate the bottom toward the left (chain) side.
 I now unscrew the starter plunger cap nut first.

 One time I used a little too much elbow grease and
 had the pleasure of finding that Kawa charges $12
 for that little black plastic cap >:-/

 Redondo Ron (a clown with two caps and no gown)

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:43:16 -0800
From: "Darrel & Deanna" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Bearing Surfaces

Hi Listers-
In the Premiere issue of DSN, Eldon Carl wrote:  "You can prevent damaging
your KLR's frame by lubing the bearing surfaces of your side stand pivot
each time you lube the chain.  Forget to do this and you will be welding
your frame someday to fix your side stand."

Would somebody mind expounding on this?  I don't see the connection (pun
unintentional)
between lubing the pivot point and having to weld the frame, unless the
sidestand welds itself to the frame.
Darrel A12 "Avenger"


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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:46:07 -0800
From: "Darrel & Deanna" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Metal Mass & Traffic Signals

- ----------
> > In a local motorcycle rag there's a column called "Ask The Sergeant"
where
> > a motorcycle cop answers readers' questions from a legal perspective (a
> > recent one was on the legalities of what to do when your bike won't
trip a
> > traffic signal.  If anyone on the list would like to know his answer,
I'll
> > be glad to post it).  I'll forward your question and post the response
if
> > any.   Darrel, A12 "Avenger",  SoCal
********************
> From: Brian <[e-mail]>

>     Recently some listers had this discussion with respect to the
legality of
> leaving a traffic signal that doesn't acknowledge a bikes weight or metal
mass,
> however most concluded that we could talk our way out of a ticket. I
would
> definitely like to know what Police consider proper legal etiquette.
*********************
Brian and the others who asked me to post the Sarge's advice (Bob and
Conall)-

The consensus of the infamous KLR listserve wasn't far from what the Sarge
had to say:

"There are several things you can do to increase the metallic signature of
your bike.  The first thing to try is covering as much of the sensor line
with your bike as you can.  Don't stop in the center of the square; stop
directly over one of the black lines and try to put your engine directly
over one of the *corners* of the square.

If this doesn't work, try a trick that we teach to motorcycle cops.  Put
your sidestand down directly on one of the lines of the square and let it
support the entire weight of the bike.  This works 99% of the time (I've
tried it--it works!-Darrel).

If all your efforts fail to trip the signal and you've waited a reasonable
time, you need to select another course of action.  You have several
options and I'm sorry to say that none of them are an ideal solution.

The first thought most of us have is to wait a reasonable time and then,
when traffic is clear, ride carefully through the red light.  If you are
caught doing this you could logically defend your action to the officer and
hope he has an understanding of this specific problem.  Most officers are
well aware of the situation and use a lot of discretion in dealing with it.
 Unfortunately, you might encounter a young, less experienced officer who
thinks you're just trying to con your way out of a ticket.  This is why I
would recommend safer alternatives.

If you are on a single lane road and the light won't change, I would
suggest making a right turn, going down a road a hundred feet and then
making a "U" turn (this might be illegal in some states - Darrel).  There
is a slight chance you will be cited for "right turn from improper position
(Calif. Vehicle Code section 22100a) but this is very unlikely, especially
if you do a diplomatic job of explaining your turn to the officer.

Another option is to put your sidestand down, walk over to the corner and
push the "walk" button, then return to your bike.  This will help if you're
going straight but it won't do you any good if you're stuck in a left turn
lane.

If the light for the left turn lane won't change, wait for the
straight-through signal to turn green and, when traffic clears, ride
straight the intersection.  Once again, go down the road a hundred feet and
make a "U" turn.  This could earn you a citation for "going straight from a
left turn only lane" (CVC Section 22101d) but this would be very unlikely.

 The most important thing to do when selecting a course of action is to
logically evaluate your options.  Choose the manuever that is the least
hazardous and that can be done with the most safety for you and the other
vehicles on the roadway.  Remember that, no matter how long you've been
stuck at the signal, you are never justified in making a manuever that
endangers other motorists or violates their right of way.

If you are stopped by an officer for one of these manuevers, be polite and
do your best to calmly explain your actions.  If the unlikely occurs and
you receive a citation, I strongly recommend that you contest it in court,
again calmly and reasonably explaining the situation to the judge.  You
might consider having a copy of this article with you to help support your
actions."

Ride Safe,
Sgt. Mike Brewer





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