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klr650-digest        Monday, November 16 1998        Volume 01 : Number 359




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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 23:26:33 -0500
From: Bill Haycock <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Question for the LIST

I am putting a copy of a question sent to me on the LIST for you guys to
answer - Chris, The KLR650 LIST is a good place to get answers and
opinions on KLR type questions.

If you want to be on the LIST - check out the first page of the KLR650
Web Page and click on "LIST FAQs" - it will tell you how to sign on!

Let me know if you need help getting signed on.  Guys/gals on the LIST,
please reply to Chris both direct and via the LIST - He might not be on
the LIST for your reply - thanks

Bill

  Name: Chris Black
 E-mail address: [e-mail]
   Homepage URL:
       Comments:
I have just purchased a '89 KLR650 and picked up new fork
boots.  Could someone mail me the easiest way to get these
installed.  I would also like to know where to get the
silver/grey frame paint for touchups.  What is a tengai
version of this bike?  Thanks, great website.

           Date: Sat Nov 14

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 08:57:40 -0700
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Question for the LIST

Chris, here is an excellent post from our archives on changing the fork boot
(come back Jeff, I'm a gun enthusiast too...)....

Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 20:39:45 -0700
From: "Jeffrey L. Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Fork Boot Replacement - A Desperate Plea...

>I just removed my front wheel so I could install the new fork boots I
>got from Fred at Arrowhead and... There's no way they are going to slip
>over the bottom of the fork, especially the top part of the boot. It
>looks like the bottom of the fork leg MUST be removed for this job to
>get done! Is this correct? If it is, how difficult is it to remove the
>bottom of the slider?
>
>Am I missing something?!? Please Help Me!!!


I just did this last night, in addition to adding progressive springs.  To
do the job, you have to remove the forks.  I propped my bike on my trusty
milk crate, with a 2 x 4 on top of the crate, under the bikes frame as far
forward as I could get it, before the frame curves upward.  This raises the
front wheel about three inches off of the ground.  I then removed the front
wheel.  Before you remove the fork tubes from the steering head clamps, make
sure to loosen the top cap, as gripping the fork tube once its off is
impossible.  You then loosen the eight 12 mm bolts that hold the fork tubes
in place and slide them out the bottom.  The boots slide off of the top, and
the new ones slide on the same way, easy as can be.  Be sure to take this
opportunity to change your fork oil and get the level right, if all you
planned on doing was the boots.  Fork oil is cheap, and an ounce of
prevention.... You should also take the opportunity to clean any gunk off of
the fork oil seal, and inspect them to see if they leak or not.

The hardest part of the job is propping the bike up on the milk crate.  I
had to have my wife slide the crate and board under, while I lifted the bike
from the back end.  The cool thing I discovered is that if the board is
positioned right, its easy to rock the bike slightly forward, and place the
"budget swing arm stands" under the swing arms and get the bike off of both
tires.  What can I say to you pro mechanics out there with the bike stands
and hoists, I'm cheap.

By the way, put 50 miles on the new springs today, and I really like them.

................................

As for the Tengai...we've never had anyone spell out the differences completely.
Gino is the guy to do it...they have different forks and brakes, different rear
shock, different bodywork. They were only sold in the US during '90-'91...

Most listers who have tried the progressive spring mod are very pleased with the
results....

Kurt A12
Bountiful, UT

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 09:40:18 -0700
From: "Fred Hink" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Rally accessories

- -----Original Message-----
From: Paul Christenson <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Saturday, November 14, 1998 9:21 PM
Subject: (klr650) Rally accessories


>I'm looking for accessories for my '96 KLR650 to make rallying easier.
>
>First and foremost are things to increase riding comfort.  These things
>are often 1000 miles or more, plus the distance to get there. (Plus,
>there's the IronButt...)  So, anything that helps in touring would be of
>great help.


How about a Scott Oiler?  http://www.actionstation.com/oiler.html  I sell
the Mk6 kit for $114.95 and the touring model for $148.95.  Anyone
interested in doing the "Iron Butt" contact me as I have a deal you can't
pass up. http://www.actionstation.com/promotion.html

Fred Hink
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                    Arrowhead Motorsports
http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html
                           435-259-7356
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 08:37:40 -0800
From: "Darrel & Deanna" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Windy City Breakfast Report

Alex Jomarron wrote:

> The gathering of KLRists of Northern Illinois has now entered the annals
of KLR history.
<snip>
> I also want to let the attendees know that I washed my bike on the way
home. Now it is > only slightly dirty!!!!!


Glad to hear the Chicagoland cadre of KLRists enjoyed some Kameraderie.  I
used to reside in Mundelein, IL and quite familiar with the N. Illinois and
S. Wisconsin area.  Made me want to hop on the scoot and make the ride with
you.  Alex, if you used one of those pressure washers, beware that they can
wreak havoc on your motorcycle bearings (especially considering the
seemingly lightweight grease KHI uses).

Ride Sane,
Darrel
SoCal

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 09:20:51 -0800
From: "Darrel & Deanna" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Headlight Protector

Pete-  I noticed in your ad in DSN that your '97 KLR has a headlight
protector.  Would you mind posting the part number and or the source for
this item?  Is it made specifically for KLRs or a modify to fit type
set-up?
Thanks in advance,
Darrel A12

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 13:10:38 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Fwd (klr650) Winter Madness

 This is the best price I've seen for the year and mileage.
 And the price is negotiable! Winter must be drawing near.
 Redondo Ron (happy hunting)

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
 FOR SALE 97 Kawasaki KLR-650 Price $2,900.00 OBO
 1 owner like new only 630 miles
 Jim - Phone [phone]
 eMail - [e-mail]
 Redlands, California

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 10:46:42 -0800
From: "Rob  Clement" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) NKLR/More on Oil Changes; TBN

A little more on oil contamination and oil changes.

If our oil doesn't "break down," and our filters keep the particles out of
it, that's great, but there's still fuel, water, and acid contamination.
Each is a product of burning gasoline, and some gets into our oil.  Unburned
fuel blows past the rings and mixes with the oil.  Water and acids arrive
the same way.  Getting the oil hot, as in letting the engine run a long
time, tends to evaporate all three out of the oil.  In "smog-legal" engines
they are recycled from the crankcase as vapors and run through the air
intake tract into the engine again, before being expelled as exhaust.

Oils with a high PH combat acidity.  "TBN," or total base number, is the
specification.  Diesel engine oils have a high TBN, due to the sulfur in
diesel fuels, and the extended drain periods (30,000 miles or so) many truck
operators use.

I use Amsoil 15-40 synthetic diesel engine oil in my '92 Cummins/Dodge
(95k), my '98 Voyager XII, my '97 KLR250 and my '98 KLR650 (A12).  TBN in
this oil is 12.  Film strength exceeds that of any 10-50 or 20-50 petroleum
or synthetic blend oils I've seen (according to lab testing reports), and
equals other synthetic oils.  And I have greater protection against acid
corrosion of metal in my engines, than if I used not-diesel engine oil.

It's expensive (around $8.50 per quart, in 2.5 gallon containers), but I
don't worry about my oil!  In practice, non-diesel synthetics with a lower
TBN should perform as well for most motorcycler owners, since most won't run
their oil long enough to get an acid condition anyway.  Since I run my oil
6,000 miles in my engines once they're broken-in, and have run over about
5000 miles, it's not a bad idea for me to get the highest TBN I can.

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 11:02:29 -0800
From: "Rob  Clement" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) NKLR/Detonation vs. Preignition

Skip, concerning detonation vs. preignition:  I understand that detonation
is caused when an advancing flame front compresses unburned fuel/air
mixture, which then "explodes" with a damaging "spike" of combustion
pressure which damages piston, bearings, and other engine parts.  But
preignition caused by advanced ignition timing can cause detonation, can't
it, by creating excessive combustion pressures (when the piston is still
rising)?  In the same way, too-low octane fuel can cause detonation because
it burns faster, and mimics the effect of too-advanced timing?

Is it correct to say "knock" is from detonation, and "ping" is from
preignition?

Anyway, I thought I'd clarify my earlier question.  I look forward to your
reply.  Thanks, Rob C.    A12

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 11:19:50 -0800
From: Dreas Nielsen <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) masterlinked chains  NKLR

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    Eric Rhoads [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Saturday, November 14, 1998 3:38 PM
> To:    KLR List
> Subject:    (klr650) masterlinked chains  NKLR
>
    []  <snip>
>      I have, however, heard a few (rare) reports of these links failing.
    []  <snip>
> The
> thing is that motorcycles are not mini-bikes and the result of a failure
> could easily be catastrophic. (to either rider or countershaft or both)
>   []  <snip>
>
Here's another report for you.  I had a master link fail once, over 20 years
ago, on my Jawa 350.  I was stopped in traffic, and when I put the bike in
first and slipped the clutch to go (easy, no jackrabbit start), the bike
lurched about two inches and the revs went way up.  I looked down to see my
chain lying on the ground.  I can hardly imagine a more harmless way to
break a chain.  Just lucky, I guess.

Despite this, I don't have any special concerns about master-linked chains,
and ran one on my KLR600 from 1990 through this June without any trouble
whatsoever.

Dreas Nielsen
Issaquah, WA

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 15:06:37 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  (klr650) NKLR -  XR600 for sale

On 11/14/98, [e-mail] wrote: snip

>... http://www.cycoactive.com/horsethief which is a ride-report of a
>Washington state loop we did midsummer this year.  Some cool photos
>of a cool place. Many of you will say "If an F650 can go there then so
>can I".  That may well be true, but the guy on the F650 is a pretty
>incredible rider.....

 Great site Tom. To call that stubborn Viking, Helge Pedersen an
 'incredible rider' is an understatement. His show in Fullerton and
 accompanying book were more than worth the price.

 Your big fenderbag works as advertised and I've been very pleased
 with it. But do you really think you'll be able to get someone from
 the klr list to downgrade and buy your xr ? ;)

 Redondo (CA) Ron   A10   (just a friendly inquisitive fellow lister)


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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 15:24:35 -0500
From: John Buffett <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Life Above the 45th Parallel

Hi Fellow Listers and Riders:

Weather here is -5 degrees Celsius and calling  for snow.

Please sob with me, if you will, as today I put away the KLR after the
last short ride for 98.  There it sits lonely in the garage until the
spring which cannot come soon enuff.
At  times like these I envy the Southern List Members.

I sure find this list useful even if I  only lurk on it.
Till   the  spring then...

John
Northern Ontario

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 17:30:55 -0500
From: Tom Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) OT NX 650 question: parts interchangeability

    A friend of mine just pickled up a 1989 NX 650 (a Dominatior in European
terms) at a very reasonable price. He wants to know about the number or
parts that were lifted from other Honda bikes of the same era. The engine
is straight out of an XR650L, right? How different is the seat and
suspention? Any information would be useful.


Thanks:

- -Tom
'96 KLR 650

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 20:49:53 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) Rally accessories

<< Things I'm looking for:

 - Saddle (I'm contemplating the Russell Day-Long)
 - Windshield or replacement fairings >>

I purchased a Russell Day-Long seat a couple of months ago.  It is very
comfortable and worth the wait and price.

I installed a full size Slipstreamer universal windshield on my KLR650 and
it's like riding a Goldwing.  It comes off in less than a minute also. Price
was about $60.

Greg, A2

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 07:04:47 -0500
From: Bill Wright <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Life Above the 45th Parallel

John Buffett wrote:

> Hi Fellow Listers and Riders:
>
> Weather here is -5 degrees Celsius and calling  for snow.
>
> Please sob with me, if you will, as today I put away the KLR after the
> last short ride for 98.  There it sits lonely in the garage until the
> spring which cannot come soon enuff.
> At  times like these I envy the Southern List Members.

John,

This is exactly the reason I moved from Michigan to Georgia.  Last winter
I rode the KLR about 4000 miles between November and March.  Today's
forcast is clearing and highs in the low 70s.  Sorry! :-)

Bill Wright
Hotlanta, GA.
98 KLR650 - "Special K" - 20k miles

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 00:55:08 +1000
From: Ted Palmer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR/Detonation vs. Preignition

Rob Clement wrote:

> Skip, concerning detonation vs. preignition:  I understand that detonation
[and stuff]

How I see things:

ping=detonation
In some motors it sounds like "ping", in others it sounds like a
"knock".

Pre-ignition is not detonation, but can lead to it.
Pre-ignition can occur where a too hot spark plug or chamber deposits
or somesuch can ignite the mixture before the spark does.
Combustion is relatively normal, and has a similar effect as over-
advanced igniton timing.
It doesn't necessarily lead to detonation, but can.

Detonation is an uncontrolled explosion of the mixture, kind of like
a spontaneous explosion of the mix. The pressure rise is very rapid
and would happen well before the crank is in a postition to get any
significant benefit from the pressure.
Correct ignition causes the mix to burn predictably, mostly thoroughly
and gives a gradual pressure rise in the cylinder, timed to occur to
give the most useful push on the crank via the rod and piston.

As for octane rating:
A higher octane rating fuel is better at resisting detonation from
above spec chamber pressures and/or temperatures, than a low octane
fuel,
so can tolerate higher compression ratios.
The higher the compression ratio, the higher the engine efficiency.

Mister_T
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:19:43 -0300
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) 1999 KLR 650 Manual

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