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klr650-digest       Wednesday, October 21 1998       Volume 01 : Number 319




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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 20:38:08 -0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) Baja Designs has Ohlins shock for KLR

I recently emailed them with a few questions, they were very helpful, they
do work with KLR related stuff, not just the more dirt-oriented bikes.  They
have the Progressive and Ohlins shock for the KLR.  Ohlins are top of the
line, but you do pay for what you get.  Web site looks very dirt oriented,
don't let that fool you.  They've got a variety of stuff that could apply to
the KLR.

http://www.bajadesigns.com/

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:04:01 -0400
From: "J. Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) KLR/KLX exhaust

After a conversation w/ Fred today I got to thinking about KLX exhausts.
I see alot more listings in the catalogs for KLX 650 exhausts vs. the
KLR. Is there a reason that would preclude our using KLX exhausts (like
routing clearance, head tube size/shape, etc.)? Was just curious and
decided to think out loud. Knew you all would have the answer.

Jake

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:34:59 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) Non KLR related

Might anyone know of a dealer that discounts FirstGear products.
Looking for a set of pants to compliment my Kilimanjaro jacket.
Has anyone grown tooo large for theirs ???
Thanks
Steve

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:58:15 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) (NKLR)Nolan N100 helmet leakage question

In a message dated 10/20/98 3:20:57 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<<  The gasket around the shield does not appear to be as
 substantial as my old Shoei (though I have not ridden with the helmet in
 the rain.)  Has anyone had any leakage problems with the N100? >>

Nope.  Mine has held the water out just fine.

Gino

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 20:46:53 -0500
From: waynef <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Re: dealer woes

One thing that I have learned in working with the various dealers:
always make decisions based on your best interest.  I have bought enough
over priced tires, helmets, etc. without any nod to reciprocal treatment
that I currently always try to act in my own best interest.

> In a message dated 98-10-20 18:06:56 EDT, you write:
>
> << bunch of guys that like to ride motorcycles and that
>  don't have a clue as to what it takes to run and manage a customer
>  focused business.  In today's world of multiple options if you don't
>  meet the customer's expectations they can and will take their money
>  elsewhere. >>
>
> As a sales and marketing person, I know how fickle customers can be
> and how
> important it is that they at least have the perception that you are
> trying to
> take care of them.  The Kaw, Yam, Suz and Hon dealers simply do not
> meet my
> expectations.  They offer pathetic service.  Usually unknowledgable.
> Aftermarket parts and accessories are usually expensive and must be
> ordered.
> I deal with the big mail order guys, not becasue I like to, but
> becasue it
> makes more sense.  I wanted to buy some pants from the local jap
> dealer.  He
> said he would order for me, but if I did not like, then I would have
> to pay
> 25% restocking charge.  The same pants could be had thru the mail for
> about
> 10% less money and in the event of return, I merely paid for the
> freight.
> Frankly, I have had it with my local jap delaer.  He does sell alot of
> bike
> and I do enjoy seeing his used bikes on Mondays.  The weekend trade
> ins are
> often interesting.  That's how I found the Tengai.  Amazing how many
> people
> buy cycles and trade them at such low miles.  I have over 100,000 on
> my RS.
> Have had it for 18 yrs.Have had other BMWs since, but keep the old RS
> (sentimental me).  I hope this Tengai can take the miles as I intend
> to use it
> for around town and short (uner 3 hrs) trips.  Good luck to you

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:41:00 -0500
From: "Bryce Hysjulien" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Big Gun Exhaust

Has anyone heard any more rumors on the Big Gun header and exhaust pipe for
the KLR?
Bryce
98 KLR

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 22:50:40 -0400
From: "Steve Young" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) Re: dealer woes and slang

"Rice Burner" works interchangeably for "Jap Bike"


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I dread bringing this up....but the term "Jap" bike is generally very
offensive to most asians. I used the word all the time until a friend of
mine
(asian) explained it to me.  Hope I wasn't to preachy and we can make an
easy
fix by saying "Japanese" bike instead.  Take care everybody.  :-)

Walter
89 KLR 650

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:54:11 -0700
From: "Robert Morgan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: dealer woes and slang

And the whole time I thought they were talking about that "princess" thing.
Morgan

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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 07:15:00 -0400
From: Todd Emsley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) 16T sprocket: impressions

I also just installed a 16T front sprocket. Once again I have also
recieved top-notch service from Fred at Arrowhead. This sprocket has
helped to prove a theory I've had about at least the A11, possibly all
KLR's.

I think the flywheel inertia does more to hinder acceleration of engine
rpm than the actual rolling inertia of the bike/rider.

My findings:

MY KLR seems to accelerate at the same rate, if you LISTEN to it. As in,
the amount of TIME the engine takes to pull through each gear is the
same. The RATE, (mph) is just higher.  Therefore, the engine can
overcome more load from the rolling inertia (higher final drive ratio
via 16T) with the same amount of power. I wonder about a lighter
flywheel, perhaps from a older KLR?

I am going to take a chance and guess that Carlos's engine is near
stock. (no jetting cahnges, stock exhaust ) If I am wrong please tell
us, Carlos.

I think the extra power of the popular engine mods that some of us have
made is more noticable with the 16T sprocket. The mods preserve the
"squirt" that Carlos felt he lost with the 16T. I know Kurt has worked
on his motor, and I have also, and I sure haven't lost any "squirt". If
I removed the speedo, I think it would be very hard to tell the sprocket
change.

But, speed piles on pretty good now.  To cut through all this gibberish,
I think it is a complete improvement. I think the torque lost through
the gearing change is too hard to use in the dirt without full knobbies,
and I don't know of any of us running those.


                Todd   A11    Faster every day

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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 07:17:17 -0400
From: Todd Emsley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Radiator Hose Protection

How about that braided steel hose like the kind
>used in race cars.  I have found some sources for it but has anyone
>converted their radiator hoses over to it or come up with other solutions?

Talk about a "trick" looking motor! If it won't break the bank, I'll be
looking for those.



                    Todd   A11  still plain tubing

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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 06:28:50 -0500
From: waynef <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Sucessfull valve adjustment and dealer headaches

No, Austin, Tx.

J. P. Zucht wrote:

> waynef wrote:
>
> > After 6000 miles on my '97 KLR I have just attempted and completed
> my
> > first valve adjustment.
>
> Hey, Wayne, are you in Calgary  ?  Sure sounded like it, with you
> mentioning
> TJ's and a nearby Kaw/Honda dealer (Blackfoot ?) .  It especially rang
> a
> bell because I've heard that TJ's is a good place, and recently heard
> from a
> Gold Winger that Blackfoot's service ain't great !
> --
>
> hungree
>
> [e-mail]
>
> VROC 72
> WOTI
> Guardian Whale
> South Sask Beemer
>
> J. Philip Zucht, Regina, Saskatchewan ... Canada, eh!
>
> 86 CH250 Elite  ...  87 1200 Aspencade  ...  89 650 KLR
>
> Far away is only far away if you don't go there.

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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:13:28
From: "R. Kaub" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) NKLR  Dealers vs. Customers

    About a year ago I stood at the parts counter of the nearest
Yamaha/Suzuki/Kawasaki dealer looking for a part for my RD200 (I still
haven't gotten it).  Next to me stood a shabbily dressed, 30-something
woman holding a two year old girl who was dressed in worn and dirty
clothes, needed a bath and definitely needed a new pair of shoes.
    This woman was ordering a pair of accessory chrome footrests for a her
motorcycle and was digging into her pockets (and into the pockets of the
guy with her) pulling out crumpled bills trying to come up with enough cash
to pay for these parts in advance.
The fat ass parts guy didn't offer her any discount.  He happily took all
her money.  Money that, IHMO, would have been far better spent on shoes for
the kid.
    About the same time, I had a conversation with the same fat ass parts guy
about discounts.  I was asking for one.  He said that "we're in the toy
business and we charge toy prices".  I took this to mean that they sell
stuff we really don't need and they are gonna charge all they can for it
because they know we WANT it and will probably pay more than it's really
worth.
    I think this attitude may be widespread among motorcycle dealers.
Certainly there outstandingly good and bad dealers out there but in general
I think that when we walk into a bike shop the folks in there look at us
and say to themselves "here comes a person looking for something they
really don't need but that they really think they have to have.  They are
probably willing to pay more than they should for it.  If I don't take
their money, the guy across the street will.  So, why not me?"
    When you walk into a BMW dealer, they think the same thing but in more
flowery language.
    I doubt any of us would walk into a car dealership expecting the salesfolk
to just give us a good deal.  Why should we think a bike dealer is any
different?  Thanks.
Bob Kaub
State University of New York
PO Box 6000
Binghamton, NY  13902
607-777-2715

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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:03:17 -0600
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Re:  klr650-digest V1 #315 (16T sprocket)

>>I don't want 1st gear to be any higher. Some of the technical
>>trails around here require an even lower 1st gear than what came stock. So
>a sprocket
>>change won't help me because I'm looking for the best of both worlds. My
>>question for the list- has anyone tried changing the gearing in the
>transmission?
>
>I was thinking I'd just carry a 15T sprocket around and change gearing when
>I needed to.
>
>Stuart

Better yet, make it a 14T....

Kurt

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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 06:33:00 -0600
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) 16T sprocket: impressions

>But, speed piles on pretty good now.  To cut through all this gibberish,
>I think it is a complete improvement. I think the torque lost through
>the gearing change is too hard to use in the dirt without full knobbies,
>and I don't know of any of us running those.
>
>
> Todd   A11    Faster every day


Yes...but will you still be able to put on those 1st-3rd gear wheelie
clinics....

Kurt

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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:47:05 -0400
From: Bill Haycock <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) LaSal Mountain Loop - Moab, Utah

Fred Hink sent me an article on a great 110 mile loop ride around the
LaSal Mountains near Moab.  Great work providing detail mileage figures
and even GPS coordinates of the loop.

Take a look and print it out if you think you might ride in the Moab
area.

Also, note the many other trail write ups referenced in this article.
For those planning on going to the KLR rally in Moab this June (first
week of June) it would be handy to print out all the trails we have
posted to date.

Fred's article is at:  http://www.geocities.com/~klrdsn/page47.html

Bill Haycock

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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:53:08 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Fwd: (klr650) Re:  klr650-digest V1 #315 (16T sprocket)

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In a message dated 10/21/98 7:33:11 AM EST, [e-mail] writes:

<< >I was thinking I'd just carry a 15T sprocket around and change gearing
when
 >I needed to.
 >
 >Stuart

 Better yet, make it a 14T....

 Kurt
  >>

Funny you should mention this, Kurt.  I have switched to a 14t full time on my
'93.  I have all the basic mods (SuperTrapp with 14 discs, K&N filter and jet
kit stage 3, modified air box, no cover on air box, etc.) and I can still pull
over 100 mph (indicated).  In fact, I have the same top end, the difference is
that I can pull red-line in 5th, where I couldn't with the 15t.  Now, if I
were to go on a LONG ride (like to Moab from MN) then I'd go back to the 15t,
or even the 16t, but when riding the twisties around here, I have a ball with
the lower gearing.

The point here is:  Different strokes for different folks...   I for one am
thankful that we're all just a little different from everyone else so that we
can all learn something.

MN Ron

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>>I don't want 1st gear to be any higher. Some of the technical
>>trails around here require an even lower 1st gear than what came stock. =
So
>a sprocket
>>change won't help me because I'm looking for the best of both worlds. My
>>question for the list- has anyone tried changing the gearing in the
>transmission?
>
>I was thinking I'd just carry a 15T sprocket around and change gearing wh=
en
>I needed to.
>
>Stuart

Better yet, make it a 14T....

Kurt




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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:16:20 -0500
From: "Smith, Ron" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Tire Recommendation

    Don't want to take up too much space here, but what's a good tire
choice for the KLR? I just purchased an A7 and will ride pavement 90% and
gravel or hard-packed trails 10%.

    Does anyone have an aftermarket pipe for sale? The stocker looks
awfully heavy.

    Please reply directly to me.

    Thanks,

    Ron

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