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Subject: klr650-digest V1 #247
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klr650-digest Thursday, September 17 1998 Volume 01 : Number 247
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:26:16 +0000
From: snsi@win.bright.net
Subject: Re: (klr650) SS2000 Ride Report
Howdy All,
Peter GREAT JOB. And you didn't need the KLR secondary reserve. keep
us updated on your Butt Lite preps and good luck.
Jeff Smith Barnes, WI
'71 A-HD Sprint 350; '97 Kawasaki KLR650 (King o'La Road)
"Beware the dirt bike ... Ground shaking dirt bike" TMBG
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:45:38 -0600
From: "Josh Sammons" <sammons@nmhu.campus.mci.net>
Subject: (klr650) Honda Africa-Twin comes out later than thought
According to the source that told me that the Africa-Twin was coming to
America, the Twin will most likely debut as a year 2000 model. Just thought
I would pass that along. Sorry to disappoint anybody.
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:03:21 -0500
From: "Jim Sprecker" <jsprecker@uswest.net>
Subject: (klr650) African Twin to America?
I'll believe that when I see it. Although if they do that would be nice
considering the reputation in Europe. Honda will have to price it right
because if it's too high it will fall into the redone Triumph Tiger. And the
skeptics will remember the beloved Transalp. Which is a great bike.
If they do bring it here, price it right, and the graphics are right, sign
me up. We could use a machine like that.
Jim
- -----------------------------------------------
> jsprecker@uswest.net <
- -----------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:27:03 -0400
From: "Rick Clarke" <rpclarke@pop.mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Response from Mobil re: bike vs car oils
> >- Mobil's full synthetic base fluid technology provides maximum shear
> TOTAL HOGWASH, even Shell Oil admitted the the questionable use of this
> ability and basically stated that it was a non-factor.
>
> >stability, resisting viscosity breakdown in high performance engines and
> >transmissions where bikes use a common lubrication system for the engine
> >and transmission.
Not sure what you mean there.
Quick review of synthetic vs. conventional motor oil-
Conventional mineral based motor oil is originally a single
viscosity in it's base stock form. It's 5W or 10W or 30W or 40 or
50W. A 5W oil acts like a 5W at low temperatures (thin) and a 5W at
high temperatures (very thin). A30W oil acts like a 30W at low
temperatures (thick) and a 30W at high temperatures (moderate
viscosity). What is preferred is an oil that acts like a higher
viscosity oil at low temperatures and a lower viscosity oil at higher
temperatures. To accomplish this, a low viscosity base stock is
blended with _viscosity extenders_.
To produce a 5W-30 multi-viscosity oil, a 5W base stock is used and a
bunch of viscosity extender is added. Viscosity extenders are low
molecular weight linear polymers. At low temperature these polymers
coil up (spherical conformation) and have little effect on the base
stock viscosity. At high temperatures the viscosity extender
molecules uncoil (a more loose conformation) due to increased
solubility in the oil. This uncoiling increases the viscosity of the
extender and likewise the oil.
The longer a polymer chain is, the less shear stable it is. Tie a two
foot long 1/8" dia. rope to the back of your car and drive around all
day. It will probably be 2 ft long at the end of the day. Now take a
200ft rope and try the same thing. The rope is going to get snagged
and entangled and broken into smaller pieces. That too is what
supposedly happens to viscosity extenders under shear. They get
broken down into smaller molecular weight fragments that no longer
give an oil multi-viscosity properties. The oil reverts towards it's
original single viscosity base. The 5W-30 becomes more like it's
original 5W base. It has become shear-thinned.
Synthetic oil base stock already has multi-viscosity properties. It
acts like a low weight conventional oil at low temperature and acts
like a high weight oil at higher temperature. No extenders are added
to attain a multi-grade finished oil. There are no long chain
polymers added that are shear sensitive and break down during use.
The final synthetic oil formulation is more shear-stable as a result.
This is why synthetic oils maintain better viscosity retention that
conventional oils (or so I've read). There are other factors like
oxidation, etc. The breakdown of the extenders in conventional oil
reduces the high temperature viscosity of that oil over time. Since
synthetic oil has none of these vulnerable extenders, it loses
viscosity more slowly under the same conditions.
On to bike vs. cage.
I called Mobil and asked if their motorcycle oil was formulated
differently than their cage oil. They wouldn't tell me. I was asking
about zinc and phosphorus content in particular since these are high
pressure additives that are considered good for bikes and bad for car
exhaust catalysts. These are the additives that have been
disappearing slowly from car oil as the formulations continue to be
improved. The Mobil rep refused to answer my questions, because of
the proprietary nature of the formulation. He told me to put my
requests in writing and show via letterhead that I'm not working for
a competitor, and they'd consider an answer. I haven't bothered to go
that far.
I looked into buying some of the zinc additive so I could put it into
the oil myself (very little is needed). The only source I could
find was some place in England. Being in the US, I haven't pursued
that further. Oil works real well right out of the bottle, and I'm a
bit leary of snake oil. Adding zinc at home borders in my mind with
fixing something that ain't broke.
If any of you talk to a Mobil rep, be sure and ask them about the
high pressure additives. Try to find out if that part of the oil has
been changed compared with the cage oil. Maybe you'll have better
luck than I did getting an answer.
I also recommend you read the oil faq if you haven't already done so.
It's getting old, but it still has lots of relevant information-
http://vger.rutgers.edu/~ravi/bike/pages/pages/pages/docs/oil.html
- -Rick
R.P.Clarke (rpclarke@mindspring.com)
"What traffic?"
RTP, NC, USA DoD#5811
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:44:52 -0500
From: "Bryce Hysjulien" <bhysjuli@host1.dia.net>
Subject: (klr650) Cleaning of K&P filter
What is the preferred method for cleaning the K&P filter? Thanks in
advance.
Bryce
98 KLR
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:14:49 -0600
From: "Josh Sammons" <sammons@nmhu.campus.mci.net>
Subject: RE: (klr650) Honda Africa-Twin comes out later than thought
- -----Original Message-----
From: Juan Cort=E9s [mailto:jcortesf@moneda.cl]
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 3:17 PM
To: 'Josh Sammons'
Subject: RE: (klr650) Honda Africa-Twin comes out later than thought
I need something that is better than the KLR for travel on road. I also
don't have a budget for a Triumph Tiger or a BMW GS (I'm a young poor
college student). They do offer the KTM Adventure which is a 620 but I n=
eed
a little more power. I would love to find a nice used Ducati Elephante.
Well before I say I want an Africa-Twin I would just like to see one in
person, pictures can only tell you so much.
Later
Josh
'92 KLR650
We here in Chile import some Africa Twins from Europe and I can tell you
that it is a great bike but, nothing comparable to the lightest and easy =
to
drive off-road of a KLR. I had a Yamaha Super Tenere 750 another model th=
at
you do not have in the US, and I changed the Yamaha for the KLR for the s=
ame
reasons explained above. For long travels the bikes are fantastic, the
engines have closer to 70 hp so you can drive as fast as you can but a hi=
gh
revs. The KLR for me is an XR400 that allows you to travel long distance=
s
as well enjoy off-road riding.
Regards
Juan Cortes
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:20:00 -0600
From: "Fred Hink" <moabmc@lasal.net>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Cleaning of K&P filter
- -----Original Message-----
From: Bryce Hysjulien <bhysjuli@host1.dia.net>
To: KLR 650 list <klr650@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 5:45 PM
Subject: (klr650) Cleaning of K&P filter
>What is the preferred method for cleaning the K&P filter? Thanks in
>advance.
>
>Bryce
>98 KLR
>
I would say that the "prefered method" would be to use clean stodard solvent
and rinse till all contaminants were out of the filter. You can use about
any kind of cleaner and even dish soap and water. Use low air pressure from
the inside to help remove anything else.
Fred Hink (who just got in some Grunge Brushes and ScottOilers) Its a
viscous cycle!
Arrowhead Motorsports
http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html
>
>
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:57:24 PDT
From: "Juan Villarreal" <villarrealjuan@hotmail.com>
Subject: (klr650) A place to stay
Joe Volker wrote:
<NOW,,, is you offer in Panama still open??
<Joe
<in denver colorado
In what sense? Are you going to be needing a place to stay? If so, I
need two things:
1. Prior notice.
2. Firm arrival and departure dates.
The reason for both being that, since my arrival, I've become
everybody's favorite friend/relative. Funny how that works, huh?
Needless to say, it puts good scheduling at the top of my list of
priorities. But to get back to your original question - - yes, you and
anyone else who might need a place to stay can count on me for a four or
five day layover. I'm good for it.
Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR
Panama City, Panama
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 20:04:38 -0600
From: "skip faulkner" <msfaul@digisys.net>
Subject: (klr650) Re: (nklr650) tires
>Well, I am going to ask the tire question.... I currently have Pirelli
>MT40's and they are worn out.
>
>I want the best street and dirt/gravel road tire I can get I don't plan
>on deep mud, big rocks or other really nasty surfaces.
>
>It needs to be good in the rain!!!!, and should last at least 3.5-5k or
>more
>
>I am currently looking at the
>Avon Gripster AM24 combo, which in general seems to get a lot of praise
>in the list
>
Mike,
Per advice from the infamous members of this List (how can you trust
anybody that rides a KLR ?) I have about 600 miles on a new set of Gripsters
(AM24) and am very happy so far. I have been on quite a bit of gravel and
rock road (150 miles of it enroute to Idaho) a little mud and dirt forest
service road and much pavement. They have so far pleased me and I was
impressed by the asphalt traction in the lean (knees almost touching) .
I shied away from the AM33/34`s because they looked a little to street
oriented for me and would ruin my wild and rough reputation.
I think they are an excellent value for the money and overall appear to be
a very serviceable tire. We`ll see as I rack up more miles.
Skip ( who seems to rack up more than miles on this tall bike)
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 22:34:46 EDT
From: K650dsn@aol.com
Subject: Re: (klr650) Lowering
In a message dated 98-09-16 08:18:13 EDT, rkaub@binghamton.edu writes:
<< The guy there said they were strong enough but no aluminum
is as strong as forged steel. Has anybody out there had any trouble with
the lowering links failing in service? >>
If those links fail, your problems are just beginning. I have run the
aluminum links through Moab off road rides, hopping off curbs, hopping onto
curbs, and put them through about 6K miles of service. They remain perfect.
I wish more parts on the KLR were made as well as the Quality R&D links.
Gino
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 22:40:20 EDT
From: K650dsn@aol.com
Subject: (klr650) Fwd: gearing options
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Been watching and posting to the list regarding more "woodsy" gearing
options for my '93 KLX650 with no luck.
The "A" model comes standard with a 3.5 ratio while my "C" model is
like 2.86 or so. Know anybody with experience in dropping down? Any
suppliers have a solution? I don't know if it's best to go all theway
to 3.5 or stop somewhere between.
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 22:26:43 -0500
From: Chadd Thompson <chadd@accessus.net>
Subject: Re: (klr650) African Twin to America?
At 05:03 PM 9/16/98 -0500, Jim Sprecker wrote:
>I'll believe that when I see it. Although if they do that would be nice
>considering the reputation in Europe. Honda will have to price it right
>because if it's too high it will fall into the redone Triumph Tiger. And the
>skeptics will remember the beloved Transalp. Which is a great bike.
>If they do bring it here, price it right, and the graphics are right, sign
>me up. We could use a machine like that.
>Jim
>-----------------------------------------------
>> jsprecker@uswest.net <
>-----------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
Yep I agree sign me up also..
Thanks
Chadd Thompson
chadd@accessus.net
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 22:52:19 -0600
From: "Josh Sammons" <sammons@nmhu.campus.mci.net>
Subject: (klr650) can't remember kansas guy from rally
Hi
I was fortunate to ride with a guy from Kansas at the Trumper Rally in NM.
I can't remember his name. We attempted to ride up to Goose lake but had a
few, shall I say rocky incidents (can't believe his KLR lived though it with
no injuries). Well if you're on the list write me back. How was the trip
home?
Later
Josh
'92KLR650
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 05:35:28 -0400
From: "Darren Koepp" <darrenk@mnsinc.com>
Subject: RE: (klr650) Klr650 Questions.
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How powerfull is the KLR?
Powerful! Feels real good at 70 with plenty left for passing. Lots of
torque off road.
Is it any good for taking a passenger?
You certainly know someone is back there, handling and all. My wife has
several 200 mile days under her belt as a passenger. A stop here and there
is all she needs to stretch. We have even explored many trails off road two
up. We just take it easy.
Of all the accessories that I have seen on the net, I have not seen a
backrest. Is one available?
I have heard of this accessory. Not interested though personally.
I am from a small town,
Me too.
That is what is so great about this list.
Hope this helps!!
Cheers
Darren/Central Virginia
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