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klr650-digest        Sunday, September 13 1998        Volume 01 : Number 240




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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 00:47:21 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) brake fluid?

> Fred Hink:
> Your mechanic is correct.  Dot 3 is the old standby that has been around for
> a very long time, while Dot 4 is just a more refined version of Dot 3.  Dot
> 5 on the other hand is a silicone based brake fluid that will not mix with
> either Dot 3 or 4.

However, if you fully purge the DOT 3 or 4, is there any reason to not use the
DOT 5 fluid,  especially considering its advantage of being nonhygroscopic?

- --rr

I WOULDN'T ADVISE IT!
What would you purge it with?
I tried this with my Laverda back in the 80's, and the seals in the master
cylinder ceased to function.
You are looking at a complete system rebuild (seals and line.)
BTW, while DOT 3 and 4 is indeed hygroscopic, I like the feel of it better
than the silicone based DOT 5. New seals will work with either type (done it.)

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 21:54:46 PDT
From: "Juan Villarreal" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Camping equipment

I'm wondering if those of you with some dual-sport camping experience
can help me out here...  Next year I plan to make my way back to the
States via my KLR (I'm currently stationed in Panama) and I'd like to
set myself up for campout should the need present itself (I WILL NOT
ride at night).  What pieces and brands of equipment do you recommend?
Website addresses are preferred, as those are the easiest and most
efficient ways to shop when living overseas.  I've already checked out
REI's website (and it's a good one), but I'd like to have the peace of
mind that comes with additional comparisons.  Thanks in advance for any
help you can send my way.  Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 01:08:15 -0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) Scottoiler chain luber info

UK home page:
http://www.scottoiler.co.uk/
US distributor page:
http://www.actionstation.com/

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 07:57:33 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) Camping equipment

Yes, I do. Try these:

www.micapeak.com/WetLeather/pages/camping.html

or

www.ridgecrest.ca.us/~mrosen/ibmc.html


What pieces and brands of equipment do you recommend?
>
>Website addresses are preferred, as those are the easiest and most
>efficient ways to shop when living overseas.  I've already checked out
>
>REI's website (and it's a good one), but I'd like to have the peace of
>
>mind that comes with additional comparisons.
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 06:59:11 -0600
From: "Fred Hink" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) No start,,

- -----Original Message-----
From: BrBo <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Saturday, September 12, 1998 10:51 PM
Subject: (klr650) No start,,


>Please a lit'l help,,
>
>Yep, you got it, wipe out.....the left side of the bike ingested
>gravel,, 2 points for holding up well though,, don't worry I'm ok.
>Now it will ONLY start in neutral when the clutch is engaged. Put it
>into gear, No way regardless of the clutch position. Leave it in Neutral
>with clutch disengaged, No way.
>So I have concluded that the problem is to do with the clutch switch
>(wherever that is), I guess..
>I pulled apart the kick stand (left side),  cable and switch actuator
>assy. all seems well (affixed and working), so I pulled apart the left
>handle bar assy., adjusted cable fully in and out to see if it would
>engage start mechanism, nothing. So I have run into a gravel wall (so to
>speak),,,
>
>Any ideas, PLEASE help...
>Brian.
>
>
>

Brian,

Check out this page: http://www.geocities.com/~klrdsn/page23.html  It should
answer all your questions about your safety switches.

Fred Hink
Arrowhead Motorsports
http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 07:31:38 -0600
From: "Fred Hink" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Scottoiler chain luber info

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: KLR List <[e-mail]>
Date: Saturday, September 12, 1998 11:53 PM
Subject: (klr650) Scottoiler chain luber info


>UK home page:
>http://www.scottoiler.co.uk/
>US distributor page:
>http://www.actionstation.com/
>
>
>
Anyone interested in a Scott Oiler let me know.  They sell for $115 for the
standard model and $149 for the touring model.  Neat lil gizmo.

Fred Hink
Arrowhead Motorsports
http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 10:39:50 -0400
From: "Robert frey" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) IMPORTANT land use issues

The following letter was forwarded by The Blue Ribbon Coalition. For those
of you that do not know, they are the largest protector of our
off-road(dual-sport) freedoms.

As you may already know, the Greenies are placing pressure upon the NFS to
close roads throughout the National Forest System. This means more limited
access to MANY users, not just dual sport motorcycles. Please read, act and
pass on. let's help keep our public lands open to the public.

While this may or  may not be high on your priorty list, please consider
that thousands of dual sporters across the US will be effected by this
aggressive closure.

As a member of various environmental organizations, I too believe that we
should protect our public lands, but not to the extent that these
organizations wish to CLOSE lands and access.

Robert Frey
Withlacoochee Dual Sport Riders
Florida, USA

Date: Friday, September 11, 1998 1:03 PM
Subject: Send comments on House subcommittee on FS road decommissioning


>
>
>-------------Forwarded Message-----------------
>
>From:   Don Amador, 74133,1407
>To:     CLARK L COLLINS, 73563,1551
>
>Date:   9/11/98  8:49 AM
>
>RE:     Send comments on House subcommittee on FS road decommissioning
>
>Please review (and comment if you like) and get this out on your own
>email network.
>
>Various user groups should send in their own comments ASAP as
>the House and the Senate are either holding hearings or taking
>some other action on this issue.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Don
>
>
>                      September 11, 1998
>
>
>
>The Honorable Helen Chenoweth
>Chairman, House Subcommittee on Forests
>and Forest Health
>US House of Representatives
>Washington, DC 20515
>Attn: Ann Heissenbuttel
>
>Sent via fax to: [phone]
>
>Re: Sept. 15 Hearing on FS Road Decommissioning
>
>Dear Chairman Chenoweth:
>
>     As someone with slightly more than a working knowledge of the current
>"roadless" issue, I
>would like to submit a few comments to be entered into the record during
>your hearing on the
>Forest Service's  (FS) current road decommissioning program.
>
>BE CAREFUL OF TARGETING "GHOST ROADS" FOR DECOMMISSIONING
>     While Congress should be commended for holding hearings on the FS's
>road de-
>commissioning program, I would urge your committee to refrain from
>targeting so-called ghost
>(non-system) roads for decommissioning without careful site-specific review
>(NEPA, EAs,
>EIR/EIS, user group and other FS "partners," local "ad hoc" advisory
>committees, ADA, etc.).  As
>I have testified before, many non-system roads/trails are important access
>and socio-economic
>elements of any Forest's recreational and resource management framework.
>
>URGE LOCAL ROAD DECOMMISSIONING "ad hoc" ADVISORY COMMITTEES
>     Many forest user groups (e.g. motorized and non-motorized
>recreationists, sportsmen's
>organizations, environmental and conservation clubs, forest products
>industry, ranchers, fire
>protection agencies, local law enforcement, chambers of commerce, etc.) may
>support a certain
>level of road decommissioning IF said groups were genuinely included by the
>FS during the
>initial planning stages of road rehabilitation.
>
>DEVELOP A ROAD DECOMMISSIONING MATRIX
>     While many FS road engineers and hydrologists may be well meaning and
>sincere, there
>does not appear to be adequate oversight and cost/benefit analysis on
>either a site-specific
>or forest-wide basis.  From my own observations as chairman of a state
>recreation agency or
>as a former heavy equipment operator,  a road decommissioning matrix should
>be developed
>that factors cost per/mile (current costs may range from $15,000 up to
>$100,000 per/mile
>depending on terrain, number and size of culverts pulled, etc.),  actual
>qualitative - not subjective
>or emotion based - watershed or environmental improvements,  cultural
>impacts,  loss of historic
>access, support of local "ad hoc" committee, degradation of recreational
>opportunities, socio-
>economic impacts, access for fire and resource management, impacts on
>commodity uses, and
>disabled access.
>
>
>
>Page 2
>Road Decommissioning
>Sept. 11, 1998
>
>
>
>     Thanks for taking time out of your busy schedule to review my
>comments.  Please feel free
>to contact me if I may be of further service to your subcommittee.
>
>
>Sincerely,
>
>
>
>
>Don Amador
>CA/NV State Representative
>Blue Ribbon Coalition, Inc.
>555 Honey Lane
>Oakley, CA 94561
>[phone] Office
>[phone] FAX
>
>
>
>cc: Motorcycle Industry Council
>     American Motorcyclist's Association
>     Resource Education Network
>     Mike Dombeck - Chief, USFS
>     Region 5 - USFS
>     Western Communities for Environmental Solutions

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 10:49:05 -0400
From: "Robert frey" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Land Use 2!

More from the land use front! This too was sent by the Blue Ribbon Coalition
regarding a divide and conquer strategy being employed in the western
states. While the article mentions OHVs, we, as dualsporters, are considered
OHVs by these groups whether you like it or not. This article primarily
pertains to noise in the wilds, and those of you looking to hop up your
exhaust system, my want to do a rethink.

Remember, your actions as a dual sport rider effects our access throughout
the US.

Robert Frey
Withlacoochee DualSport Riders
Florida, USA

>PESKY FEW RUIN FUN FOR EVERYONE
>
>by Adena Cook, Public Lands Director
>BlueRibbon Coalition
>1540 North Arthur
>Pocatello, ID 83204
>(Adena can be reached at [phone] or
>[e-mail])
>
>     OHVers have long acknowledged the troublesome few within our
>ranks that cause us problems.  They're the hill-bangers who scar
>the outdoors.  They're the discourteous and the noisy.  Sometimes
>called the "bad ten percent", no one has ever verified their
>exact number; but everyone agrees that their effect is far
>greater than the actual few that they are.
>
>     Organized OHVers have expended much energy reducing the
>numbers of these miscreants.  Peer pressure, aggressive use of
>all media for ethics information, and support for enforcement
>have all been used extensively to change destructive behaviors.
>While achieving gradual progress, organized OHVers acknowledge
>that a few bozos are still around and redouble their efforts.
>
>     Organized backcountry horsemen have also tackled this
>problem among their ranks with enthusiasm.  They've had the
>additional burden of changing traditional practices that did have
>serious impacts on the resources, as well as addressing common
>thoughtlessness.  Mountain bicyclists have worked among their
>enthusiasts as well.
>
>     There's another bunch, another "bad ten percent", running
>rampant on the land.  They're undaunted by the howls of their
>victims, and actually encouraged by some land managers.  Their
>recreation preference is irrelevant.  They're the conflict
>specialists.  They're an actual industry because they're highly
>paid and well funded.
>
>     OHVers are typically their target of choice.  Claiming that
>no other outdoorsfolk can pursue their fun while OHVers are
>allowed, they poison wells of cooperation and trust.  They rend
>the social fabric as destructively as hill-bangers scar the
>environment.
>
>     A booklet sponsored by the Predator Project produced
>especially for the State of Montana, says, "People who head to
>the backcountry on their feet, by bicycle, or on horseback also
>tend to find motorized use extremely disruptive....studies show
>that motorized users do not mind sharing trails with non-
>motorized users, but that hikers, horsepackers and cross country
>skiers consistently try to avoid areas with motorized activity."
>It does not provide any backup data to verify this conclusion.
>
>     Recently, the conflict specialists have been stimulating
>friction through a "quiet trails" campaign in Montana, Colorado,
>and Alaska.  The Quiet Use Coalition in Colorado accuses
>motorized users of myriad sins and then sums it up, "But it is
>the noise generated by these machines that has come to symbolize
>all of the negative effects..."
>
>     Backcountry horsemen are not immune from these kinds of
>attacks.  The recent Draft Wilderness Management Plan for the
>Grand Canyon says, "Although few stock users consider meeting
>hikers as inherently unpleasant, hikers generally find it
>undesirable to meet stock in wilderness...For many wilderness
>users, meeting parties with stock or finding evidence of stock
>use, such as manure or corrals, also detracts greatly from their
>experience."
>
>     Mountain bicyclists have also been hit.  The Continental
>Divide Trail Society appealed the Targhee Forest Plan on the
>basis that insufficient attention had been given to the Forest's
>decision not to exclude mountain bicycles on the Continental
>Divide Trail. Part of their appeal states, "There are growing
>numbers of reports from the hikers/ walkers on footpath type
>trails and trail segments that the mechanized trail user going by
>on a "mountain bike" is viewed as an intrusion on their
>experience and solitude....Solitude, however, is not the only
>concern.  Hikers are concerned about safety.  Bicycles travel
>significantly faster than hikers, yet can be quite silent in
>their approach.  Hikers have reported their feelings of
>endangerment when they suddenly realized that bicycles were
>approaching from behind at great speed."
>
>     Do you detect a common thread here?  OHVs are too noisy,
>bicycles are too quiet, and horses stink.  Nobody can get along
>with anybody, or so the conflict specialists would have us think.
>No wonder the Wildlands Project promotes core areas with "little
>or no human use".
>
>     What can be done?  Targeted recreation groups have protested
>to little avail.  The great uninformed majority, out there
>enjoying the woods, are unaware of this strife and discontent
>nominally waged on their behalf.  They won't speak out.
>
>     It's up to land managers.  They readily take action against
>the few who tear hillsides.  They need to more aggressively stand
>firm against the conflict specialists, also a minority.
>Managers need to stop rewarding them with closures and
>restrictions on other users.  They need to stop giving conflict
>specialists promotional space in planning documents, like the
>Grand Canyon Draft Wilderness Management Plan.  They need to stop
>trying to divide up the recreation resource pie and say, "Get
>along or else."

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 10:54:49 -0400
From: "Robert frey" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Protecting Our Land

For those of you interested in some groups protecting our access to public
lands, such as the (Blue Ribbon Coalition, TREAD LIGHTLY!, and American
Trails); and for groups that wish to limit our access (Sierra Club),
checkout the WDSRC DualSport Site at
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Canyon/5245
Go to the menu page, scroll and click on environmental organizations.

Robert Frey
Withlacoochee DualSport Riders
Florida, USA

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 10:40:52 -0600
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Fw: jcrumley@telepath

- -----Original Message-----
From: Joe Crumley <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Sunday, September 13, 1998 6:00 AM
Subject: jcrumley@telepath


>I am interested in the purchase of a klr 650 for the purpose of
>traveling to Costa Rica in the Spring of 1999.
>

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