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klr650-digest         Saturday, July 18 1998         Volume 01 : Number 144




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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 08:48:08 -0300
From: "Naegele, Guenter G" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Shop Manual

Hi all,

Just purchased a 95 KLR, love the bike, but looking for a shop manual.
Are there any after-market manuals available?

Thanks:  Gunter

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 07:42:15 -0500
From: "John Bennett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Shop Manual

>Just purchased a 95 KLR, love the bike, but looking for a shop
manual.
>Are there any after-market manuals available?


What with the number of KLR's in existence I was sure that there would
be a Clymer or Haynes manual for them.  Unfortunately, there is not.

The best resources are the shop manuals, this list, and the list
archives.

Well, I'm off to Houston (120mi south) today to look at motorcycles
and drool.  I can't actually afford another one, it's just the kids
are at their aunt's house for the day and me and the Missus couldn't
think of anything better to do.  (Well, she probably could, but it
would cost money.<g>)

John Bennett


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Visit my page!  http://www.lcc.net/~jbennett

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 09:22:23 -0600
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) List notes...NKLR reminder...

A reminder to all. A touch of courtesy when posting way off-topic is to use "NKLR" in
the subject line. The recent interest in games brings this to the fore.

For those who might not realize the value of the "NKLR" inclusion.  It allows any of
us to set up a filter in our email software to ignore posts with "NKLR" in the
subject header. In other words it allows for the best of both worlds. It allows for
those who are only interested in a narrow focus to stay active with a list that also
includes those who are okay with occasional off-topic posts and threads.

For the digest people, it allows for a quick ignore of that message and moving on to
the next.

"NKLR" in the subject line is a nice "peace" (pun intended) of netiquette that goes
far in reducing the squabbling that always rises up on lists. Please use "NKLR" in
off-topic posts.

Thanks,

Kurt Simpson (list administrator)

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 09:16:13 -0600
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) Purpose of the counterbalance?

Ted Palmer wrote:

> Anybody who's ever ridden a non-counterbalanced big single, like a
> Yamaha XT500 or SR500, will tell you it's worth the extra complication
> of the counterbalancers.
>

Good balancer discussion!  However, I must say that after having had both
XT500 (still have) and SR500, albeit without the benefit of fully
instrumented hands, I believe that the perceived handlebar vibration of even
the best-adjusted KLR650  at most rpm ranges is no better than either of
those models.

FWIW.

El Vell Bruixot
" Time: it's what keeps everything from happening at once."

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:37:51 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Purpose of the counterbalance?

On 7/18/98, [e-mail] wrote: snip
>.....However, I must say that after having had both XT500 (still have)
>and SR500....I believe that the perceived handlebar vibration of even
>the best-adjusted KLR650  at most rpm ranges is no better than
>either of those models.

 I had an sr500 until I passed it on to my son. Never got to ride it after
 that ('87). I have an xt500 in the garage now that I'm fixing for a friend.
 As soon as I get the carb sorted out, I'll do a vibe comparison.

 CA Ron (with an appreciation for history)

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 12:07:44 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) counterbalance system

Ted Palmer <[e-mail]> wrote:

>It tries but is not entirely successful.
>Rotating things are not perfect at balancing oscillating things,
>and especially things like conrods.
>About the best counterbalance system exists in the Ducati Supermono,
>but that is more heavy and space consuming than we'd really like
>on a traillie.
>But as singles go, the Ducati can rev like few others.

One more thing about any moving or rotating object that comes to mind is
that all physical things have natural frequencies ( a frequency at which
the object vibrates very easily ). The best example of that would be a
tuning fork which is designed to vibrate at its natural frequency after
it has been struck. It has to do with the stiffness of an object and the
mass (weight). Motorcycle engines run at frequencies of 500 rpm to 8000
rpm (about?). So not only does the designer have to worry about how to
minimize the inertial forces  using a counterbalance but he has to also
keep in mind that the system (engine) should not have a natural frequency
that is in the operating frequency ( 500 - 8000 rpms ) of the engine.
This causes a compromises in design of any engine counter balance system.
The engine would literally explode ( fly apart ) if it hit its
(fundamental) lowest natural frequency. Usually designers try to have a
very high fundamental frequency ( well above the operating frequencies).


Alex
KLR wanna be






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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 12:35:46 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) HD's

Hey Guys, please stop beating up on those Beemers riders! We are all riders,
first. OK Except HD"s.

Do you know the difference between a golden retriever and a Harley Davidson?

No?

WEll there is none, they both like to ride in the back of a truck!.

Ride Safely,

Yann

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 09:46:24 -0700
From: "Dean Harrison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) List notes...NKLR reminder...

That is an extremely good point to make, thanks. I do want to compliment
this list on staying pretty well focused on 'relevant' issues to the KLR
and the style of riding it encompasses. It is amazing the subjects that can
take off on a list (like the VFR list) that I cannot fathom. On that list
there was a two week discussion of significant volume  on how to turn off
your bike- should I use the kill switch, the ignition switch, the kickstand
kill switch- I wish I were making this up. Anyway, as far as I can see, you
all do a pretty good job (at least since I've been reading). Thanks.
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> From: Kurt Simpson <[e-mail]>
> To: List KLR <[e-mail]>
> Subject: (klr650) List notes...NKLR reminder...
> Date: Saturday, July 18, 1998 8:22 AM
>
> A reminder to all. A touch of courtesy when posting way off-topic is to
use "NKLR" in
> the subject line. The recent interest in games brings this to the fore.
>
> For those who might not realize the value of the "NKLR" inclusion.  It
allows any of
> us to set up a filter in our email software to ignore posts with "NKLR"
in the
> subject header. In other words it allows for the best of both worlds. It
allows for
> those who are only interested in a narrow focus to stay active with a
list that also
> includes those who are okay with occasional off-topic posts and threads.
>
> For the digest people, it allows for a quick ignore of that message and
moving on to
> the next.
>
> "NKLR" in the subject line is a nice "peace" (pun intended) of netiquette
that goes
> far in reducing the squabbling that always rises up on lists. Please use
"NKLR" in
> off-topic posts.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kurt Simpson (list administrator)
>

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 12:48:47 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  (klr650) HD's (NKLR NBMW NKLEven)

on 7/18/98, [e-mail] wrote: snip
>Do you know the difference between a golden retriever and a Harley
>Davidson?WEll there is none, they both like to ride in the back of a truck!.

 Hey Yann my golden retriever is offended by that remark!!

 CA Ron (who if it's humanly possible, is a pooch)

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:29:49 -0600
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Fw: BOUNCE [e-mail]:    Non-member submission from [Rob Gendreau <[e-mail]>]

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Date: Saturday, July 18, 1998 10:53 AM
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>Robert Morgan asked
>
>>Hi gang
>>     I've been contemplating luggage options, hard options....soft options,
>>lately I've been looking at aerostitch's courier and
>
>Not sure if you only intend to use these as saddlebags...but if not, if
>you intend to use them as shoulder bags, I suggest you check out Timbuk2
>courier bags. Available from most places that sell bicycle gear, REI,
>etc. They strap on with a shoulder and a an under shoulder strap, and
>hence are much more stable than the alternatives.
>
>
>Rob Gendreau
>Oakland, California
>[e-mail]
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:09:53 -0500
From: Jim Barthell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Re: Shoulderbags

I've always wondered about these, my fear is getting off the bike at speed with a bag and
8lbs worth of crap hanging around my neck. I know it's over your shoulder but in a get
off it is essentially around your neck. Sounds like a good way to break it. Your neck I
mean.

Jim

Kurt Simpson wrote:

> >Robert Morgan asked
> >
> >>Hi gang
> >>     I've been contemplating luggage options, hard options....soft options,
> >>lately I've been looking at aerostitch's courier and
> >
> >Not sure if you only intend to use these as saddlebags...but if not, if
> >you intend to use them as shoulder bags, I suggest you check out Timbuk2
> >courier bags. Available from most places that sell bicycle gear, REI,
> >etc. They strap on with a shoulder and a an under shoulder strap, and
> >hence are much more stable than the alternatives.
> >
> >
> >Rob Gendreau
> >Oakland, California
> >[e-mail]
> >
> >
> >



- --
Jim Barthell - TX

'97 'C-O-O-O-W'...asaki KiLleR 650
FSSNOC #2421

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:25:44 -0700
From: "Dean Harrison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Clutch reliability question

I pulled out a long term evaluation of a 88 KLR from Motorcycle Consumer
News date Feb., 1997. The cost breakdown of ownership  for 10 years and
25,000 miles was $715 (maintenance items only, no accessories). The only
item of significant operating consequence was an ignition unit CDI unit for
$195. The rest was basic maintenance stuff. There was no mention of clutch
basket problems.

So here's my question, how common is the problem with the clutch basket (or
is it clutch springs) I've heard mentioned on this list a few times? It's
easy to draw the wrong conclusions from information provided on lists
because few know how many people are on the list nor does anyone keep track
of how many people have had a particular problem.  On the VFR list there
was always talk of voltage regulator problems. Somebody finally solicited
comments on this problem and when the numbers came back it didn't seem that
significant (as unscientific as that statistical method is).

Is this such a problem statistically that if you plan a long journey
(Alaska, for example) you'd better carry an extra clutch and hope for no
collateral damage if failure occurs? Are there any hard numbers on this
problem? If this truly is a problem, is there a year of bike after which
the problem seems to diminish (I thought someone mentioned this but I've
forgotten)? Has anyone ever done a survey on the list regarding this issue?


TIA, Dean in Seattle       94KLR, 95 VFR

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 14:28:58 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  (klr650) Re: Shoulderbags

On 7/18/98, [e-mail] wrote: snip
>I've always wondered about these, my fear is getting off the bike
>at speed with a bag and 8lbs worth of crap hanging around my neck.
>I know it's over your shoulder but in a get off it is essentially
>around your neck. Sounds like a good way to break it. Your neck I mean.

 Jim you're right. It's enough of a trade off wearing a helmet without
 adding luggage to our weak-link necks. I use these to augment my
 other luggage. When they're on the bike they are attached with an
 ingenious system that allows removal in less than a second. If you
 want to see it I can send you a jpeg of one of the various mounting
 schemes.

 CA Ron (seeking to save his.......at break-neck speeds)

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 06:10:12 -0400
From: "Christian Kindarji" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Shipping

1- Let me start to thank everybody that replied to my Tampa-Montreal
message, it was a great help.

2- Last thursday as I was browsing the messages, I came across couple of
ones discussing towing, I called MTS and got myself a membership. Guess
what? today (2 days later) my '98 KLR wouldn't start and I had to call them
up. By the way I got great service, the truck was there in less than an hour
and drove me to the nearest Kawasaki dealer which is very far from where I
had it die on me, and at no extra charge. Thank you MTS for a great service.

3- Just a word of advice to everybody, DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT get your bike
shipped by sea. I shipped mine from Hawaii to Tampa. Every single metal
piece in the bike is being attacked by corrosion, the whole bike is covered
by a white film of corrosion and now I have to find a way to clean-up the
mess.

Christian Kindarji

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:11:00 -0400
From: Sconzo <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Cobra Pipes

Hello Listers,

I'm very interested in running a cobra exhaust on my '98 KLR 650. Anyone
have any experience with the ISDE or the regular 4 stroke pipe? Could
you please post your opinion on them? I am also looking for info on
where to get it at the fairest price. Am I going to have to put a jet
kit on at the same time that I install the muffler? Thanks for any help
in advance.

Scott
'98 KLR 650

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 17:25:44 -0600
From: "Joshua Sammons" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Four Stroke Singles Rally in NM?

What is the word on the Four Stroke Singles Rally in Red River, NM?  I don't
live that far away from there, but have never heard of this rally.  Are any
dealers expected to be there?  Might go there on Monday to check out the
riding in the area.  I will tell you how it is.  Later
Josh '92KLR650

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:37:22 -0600
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Fw: BOUNCE [e-mail]:  Admin request: /^subject:\s*help\b/i

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>I took off the right side cover on my '89 KLR650 today. I wanted to
>fix the oil leak that is coming from the water pump. I have all the
>parts on hand and I'm ready to put everything in. To replace the
>water pump seal, the cover needs to be removed. Most of the labor for
>this job is scraping the old cover gasket off the engine. (In hell,
>people are forced to spend eternity scraping old gaskets off aluminum
>cases, and every time they nick the aluminum, they're jabbed with a
>hot poker.)
>
>While I was cleaning off the old gasket, I also pulled out the oil
>pump inlet sieve. It's held in by the right side cover, so it slid
>right out.
>
>Much to my surprise, there was a bunch of metal behind the sieve.
>It looks like the metal fragments used to be a spring. There are
>enough little pieces of beat up metal to make a spring with about 20
>turns. The spring would be about 8mm OD with a 1mm wire diameter.
>
>The engine was running ok when I took the cover off. I'm not sure
>where this spring came from.  I'm not the first owner of this bike,
>so I can't say if anything has been fixed in the past.
>
>Can anyone identify where these pieces came from?
>
>-Rick
>
>R.P.Clarke ([e-mail])
>"What traffic?"
>RTP, NC, USA    DoD#5811
>
>

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