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From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest)
To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: klr650-digest V1 #100
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klr650-digest Tuesday, June 9 1998 Volume 01 : Number 100
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Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 08:12:00 -0600
From: Kurt Simpson <ajax@xmission.com>
Subject: NKLR...Re: (klr650) Bearings
>remove the old bearings. So I sprayed them down really well with good ole'
>WD-40, let them dry, then packed them as best as I could with them
>installed. you can carefully pry out the bearing seals, and squeeze and
>press grease in there with your fingers. Very messy work, guaranteed to
>make you mean.
This reminds me of a painful memory...I'm imfamous for misplacing
things...keeping track of my wallet, keys, cell phone, pager is a necessary
ritual for me...however, I very very seldom actually lose something. The
nearly one exception was a big one. Lost my wedding ring while repacking
front wheel bearings...slid right off while I was trying to clean my hands
with some rags. Needless to say, it was doubly messy to go through all of
the shop rags and paper towels trying to find it...which I never did. I
won't tell you what happened to the marriage...
Kurt
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 08:37:40 -0600
From: "Fred Hink" <moabmc@lasal.net>
Subject: Re: (klr650) 500 Mile Service
>On top of this, I have a sneaky suspicion that my dealer may have lied to
>me about checking valve clearances at the 500 mile check. I have no way of
>knowing for sure, and I've looked at bolts and nuts just to see if I could
>detect any tool wear, but there's nothing I can see or hear. Makes me
nuts.
>
>Stuart
>"Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean no one is behind me."
Taking your bike to your dealer is like taking your kid to the doctor. If
you can't trust the "experts" then it is time to find another one that you
can trust. You must have a reason for not believing your dealer. The
dealers reputation is very valuable. They try hard to earn your trust or at
least should try. If not then it is time to look else where or like Kurt
get yourself a manual and do it yourself.
Fred Hink
moabmc@lasal.net
Arrowhead Motorsports
http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 11:44:46 -0500
From: Ed <etonline@radiks.net>
Subject: (klr650) Catch up
Hi all.
Been a bad month and just getting caught up on the list.
1) Syn Oil. I just but a blend in my 95 KLR and am sarting to
experience clutch slippage. Will be changing this weekend and report
back. I think the big key is wet vs. dry clutches in this issue. The
m/c oils made for wet clutches have additives to help clutch
performance.
2) Was there an answer to the fork brace question. I have wondered
about that for a while. It seems to me that the forks twist some in the
corners and at general highway speeds.
3) I e-mailed Matthew about the Fac. directed mod (didn't want ya all to
think I was a bum).
Later
Ed
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:44:14 -0500
From: Ken Belfatto <ultraman@inil.com>
Subject: RE: (klr650) 500 Mile Service
Does anyone have the part number for the factory service manual?
I don't trust my dealer to get it right.
CAD/CAM Kenny 98KLR 790mi
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:27:17 -0500
From: Ken Belfatto <ultraman@inil.com>
Subject: (klr650) Oil additives
I added 4oz. Of Motor Up additive to my 98 at 700mi. Just to see what happens. So far So good.
Metal Bonding seems better (won't clog filter).
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:49:35 -0700
From: "Darrel & Deanna" <elcid24@gte.net>
Subject: (klr650) Air Filtration
Subject: Re: (klr650) Air Filter?
IMHO I'd say K&N.
Anyone with a minute, tell the list if you have any opinion
>about which one is best for LEAST RESTRICTION. Thanks.
LEAST restriction of course would be nothing at all. Seriously though, I
don't know all the types of filters available but K&Ns are hard to beat in
low restriction, good filtration, and durability. If you don't mind the
hefty price, I believe they even come with a 1,000,000 mile warranty (no
joke). Darrel A12
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 22:15:27 -0700
From: "Darrel & Deanna" <elcid24@gte.net>
Subject: (klr650) Gun Bunnies and GPS
Jeffrey L. Walker writes:
>Anyway, this guy had
>been in for a while, earned his first looy silver bar and all, was the XO
of
>his battery, and he couldn't read a map, with a piece of equipment that
>makes reading the map that much easier. These are the people that we
trust
>the security of the nation to people.
Jeff- Cut the guy some slack! The last time I checked, a 1st Lt was an
O-2. The reason that he was out there was to get some training. He
obviously needs some good enlisted leadership from guys like you.
>Anyway, after I got the guy orientated to his map, I
>left out of there, throwing the best gravel rooster tail I could manage on
>him and his Humvee.
ROTFLOL!! That's one way to blow-off some steam. Good thing your not in
anymore ;>)
On the subject of riding off-road on miltary installations; as I was
driving past acres and acres of trails on Camp Pendleton last week, the
thought occurred to me that it sure would be nice to be able to tap in to
some of that. Anyone have any idea as to if it's possible to get clearance
to ride aboard the Marine Corps base?
Darrel A12
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 02:11:59 EDT
From: <Cloudhid@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Gun Bunnies and GPS
In a message dated 6/6/98 10:12:13 PM, elcid24@gte.net wrote:
>Anyone have any idea as to if it's possible to get clearance
>to ride aboard the Marine Corps base?
Should be no problem Darrel. The Jarheads at Pendleton are
always lookin' for some live fire moving targets. Semper Fi
CA Ron (who learned to duck at an early age)
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 02:38:09 EDT
From: <Cloudhid@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (klr650) 500 Mile Service/Manuals
In a message dated 6/6/98 9:45:47 PM, ultraman@inil.com wrote:
>Does anyone have the part number for the factory service manual?
>I don't trust my dealer to get it right.
>CAD/CAM Kenny 98KLR 790mi
Kenny, you'll need 2 manuals, (unless you also read French).
The base manual,
"KLR600 Service Manual" K#99924-1050-01
and more specific,
"KLR650/500 Supplement" K#99924-1080-55
The base manual contains procedures that
are not covered in the supplement.
CA Ron ( who trusts everyone.......but still brands his cattle )
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 03:18:56 EDT
From: <Cloudhid@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Catch up - Syn Oil
In a message dated 6/6/98, etonline@radiks.net wrote: snip
>1) Syn Oil. I just but a blend in my 95 KLR and am starting to
>experience clutch slippage.
This is interesting Ed. I don't recall anyone here saying they had
actually experienced this problem, only that it was a possibility.
Will you tell us what brand syn oil you used, how many miles you
have on the bike, and how many miles before the problem started?
I switched to Mobil 1 (15w50) over 1000 miles ago, and haven't
noticed my clutch slipping. I'll give it a thorough shake down
test tomorrow........just to make sure ;-)
CA Ron '96 A10 5,455miles (94,545 left to go)
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 09:08:40 -0500
From: Ed <etonline@radiks.net>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Catch up - Syn Oil
> what brand syn oil you used
>
I'm using Bel-Ray EXP blend oil .
> how many miles you
> have on the bike, and
>
I have about 4500mi on the bike.
> how many miles before the problem started?
>
I noticed it about 800mi after the change. It seems most noticeable on
a hard shift into second which I'm not sure I had done until recently.
Later
Ed
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 09:41:37 -0500
From: Ed <etonline@radiks.net>
Subject: Re: (klr650) 500 Mile Service
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> They did clean up the bike (I don't wash
> it very often).
>
> check the bike over and replace a bolt that fell out
>
I know there is a group that feels KLR should not be washed but it is a
great time to "bond" with the bike and look for loose bolts oil leaks
and the like.
Later
Ed
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<PRE>They did clean up the bike (I don't wash
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<PRE>check the bike over and replace a bolt that fell out</PRE>
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I know there is a group that feels KLR should not be washed but it is a
great time to "bond" with the bike and look for loose bolts oil leaks and
the like.
<P>Later
<BR>Ed
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Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 09:48:34 -0500
From: Ed <etonline@radiks.net>
Subject: Re: (klr650) oil additives
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> So I'm contemplating replacing my clutch due to its juddery, inconsistent,
> sometimes grabby, sometimes slippery action.
>
Jeff,
Tell me more about the sometimes slippery action. Maybe I'm barking up
the wrong tree??
How many miles on the bike, what year, whne does it happen??
Later
Ed
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Jeff,
<P>Tell me more about the sometimes slippery action. Maybe I'm barking
up the wrong tree??
<P>How many miles on the bike, what year, whne does it happen??
<P>Later
<BR>Ed
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Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:54:31 EDT
From: <AB763@aol.com>
Subject: (klr650) Thanks for the Great Info
Hello to the list!
Many thanks to those of you who've been contributing your experiences for
public consumption, from one who has been lurking until now. The various
postings have inspired me to begin doing something creative to my bike, other
than intermittently plastering it with mud, before hosing it all off again.
So far, the mods listed below are mostly recent, and all successful. In
particular, I've been really pleased with Kawi's tail bag/trunk/whatever you
call it: great place to stash a clear visor, a phone, a leatherman, some eats
and water... you name it. And, as claimed on the list, it really is solid as
a rock, mounting-wise. Good product, highly recommended. Even if you do end
up paying $85, straight through ya nose, like this hoser did.
Anyway, if there's anybody out there who rides in the NH/ME/VT area, drop me a
note. I ride with an old buddy of mine, who's also a KLR rider ('88 ex-police
bike in his case), and our favorite haunts are around the Lake Winnipesaukee
area, NH's White Mountains, and throughout western Maine. Maybe you'll see us
at the Loudon race/rally in about three weeks... look for the only two geeks
within 20 miles wearing helmets, who will also no doubt be doing wheelies
through a sea of Harley riders squatting on their chromed thundersleds. Hey,
did that chick just answer the crowd's pleading to "ShowUsYerTits!"?!? At
least we have a higher perspective on these tall white bikes... :)
See ya
+AB+
'87 KLR 650, original owner
- - Stainless front brake line -
- - Kawasaki Tail Bag -
- - No Windshield (Windshieldectomy) -
- - Various bits of running-light & supplemental-brake-light silliness -
- - Metzelers -
- - Otherwise screamingly bone-stock -
- - Oh did I mention the reflective tape? -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 20:30:06 -0400
From: "Rick Clarke" <rpclarke@pop.mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: (klr650) speeding rear tires
Jeff wrote:
>The spokes at the top of the wheel, not in contact, have greater
>LINEAR velocity than the spokes at the bottom, even if they all have
>relatively the same ANGULAR velocity.
With respect to the ground yes. With respect to the bike no.
>This is due to the force of static friction being applied
>tangentially to the wheel at this point.
Not exactly. The bike could be flying through the air over a jump and
the wheels could be coasting along, spinning.
>Now, how this applies to motorcycles: The center of the hubs of the
>front and rear wheel have the same velocities, but the wheels have
>different angular accelerations, due to the different radii of the
>wheels. The formula (if anyone cares) is: V(velocity of center of
>mass of wheel) = Omega (angular velocity, in radians) * R (radius of
>wheel). So you can see, since the velocity of the hubs are the
>same, and the radii of the wheels are different, the angular
>velocity of the rear wheel is higher than the front because of the
>smaller radius. This is roughly why the rear wheel wears faster
>than the front, because the surface that comes into contact with the
>street is doing it more often than the front tire. I'll lecture
>about torque on the tires due to static friction later.
That doesn't account at all for a nearly double wear rate on the rear
tire. There rear tire wears faster because a lot of power is getting
transferred from the engine to the rear tire contact patch, plain and
simple.
> I'm really not sure what you mean by a 10 % slippage. Either the surfaces
> of the tires and street are slipping, or they are not. Since the
> coefficient of static friction is roughly twice that of kinetic friction,
> We're talking about static friction and hence no slippage.
Guess again. Elastomers (rubber for instance) slip via Schulamach
waves. A fold propagates along the surface of the rubber opposite the
direction of the force applied. Static friction still applies (kind
of) but the rubber "slips". 10% slip is quite reasonable.
Friction (tribology) of rubber is quite complex. If y'all wish I can
give some good references, but the hell if I understand it well
enough to completely explain it for tires.
- -Rick
R.P.Clarke (rpclarke@mindspring.com)
"What traffic?"
RTP, NC, USA DoD#5811
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 01:08:41 +0300
From: "=?iso-8859-9?B?Qt1ST0wgU0FZ?=" <saymer@superonline.com>
Subject: (klr650) need help
Hi listers,
At least Ihave my lovely bike again. After the accident it took two months
to get my new radiator&fan but the tank and left air scoop is still missing.
I got the tank repaired. What I only need is left air scoop.
Can anybody send me a left air scoop for my 97KLR650 dark green Californian
model? I live in Turkey and I'm going to pay all postage&handling. (UPS is
better)
If anybody does me this favor I'll be more than happy.
Please inform the list about the situation.
Postal adress:
Dr. Birol Say
SAYMER MED. LTD.
Kosuyolu Halili sok. No:10 Kadikoy
Istanbul TURKEY
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 23:21:31 -0600
From: mollye faulkner <msfaul@digisys.net>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Fork air
Eric Rhoads wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mollye faulkner <msfaul@digisys.net>
> To: Eric Rhoads <eroads@europa.com>
> Date: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 11:21 PM
> Subject: Re: (klr650) Fork air
>
> >Eric Rhoads wrote:
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Skip Faulkner <msfaul@digisys.net>
> >> To: Eric Rhoads <eroads@europa.com>
> >> Date: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 11:34 AM
> >> Subject: Re: (klr650) Fork air
> >>
> >> >
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >From: Eric Rhoads <eroads@europa.com>
> >> >To: mollye faulkner <msfaul@digisys.net>
> >> >Date: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 12:21 AM
> >> >Subject: Re: (klr650) Fork air
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Hey Skip
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>> anytime you'd care to put up more oil
> information it would be fine........ I'd be interested to see what you've
> learned from the industry reports you mentioned.
> .....you say you use multigrade yourself....but you say the singles are
> "superior"? I'm not sure why you'd use the multi if you also say the
> singles are inherently better....'course I know there's a reason. :)
> thanks,
> eric r.
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Eric,
Sorry to sound like Slic Willy there. The research recently done by
Mercedes and Shell oil was in regard to mineral(petro)based oils only
and that agrees with what I`ve experienced with aircraft engines when
I`ve done major teardowns or overhauls, that the singlegrades were
superior.But I wanted to try Amsoil based on recomendation by some
motocycle racers and long-distance tourers and Amsoil is fully
synthetic, therfore not subject to the above mentioned research and
experience. I haven`t gotten any info on whether synthetic oil breaks
down like mineral oil does. I would prefer the Amsoil in a singlegrade
but was told it was not available.
- -------------Skip (with a mountain KLR in the works)
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 23:30:09 -0600
From: mollye faulkner <msfaul@digisys.net>
Subject: (klr650) Charging system
I need the exact output rating of my 1995 KLR`s charging system before
I can finish some mods I`m doing to my bike. Any help would be greatly
apreciated but no guesses please.
- -------------Skip-------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 22:37:01 -0700
From: "Eric Rhoads" <eroads@europa.com>
Subject: (klr650) Hey Gino!
I was interested in the lower front fender....saw your post re:
Acerbis.....you said 'call a dealer' .....really? is there any better way
like direct order from them (if possible)?
...or someone else vending that you could recommend?
thanks,
eric
..hey, I'm cheap because because I'm poor.....
...I'm no rocket scientist like you :)
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 08:32:26
From: Robert Kaub <rkaub@binghamton.edu>
Subject: (klr650) 500 Mile Service
Thanks for the comments:
I was very disappointed that the dealer did not check the valve clearance
(the primary reason I took the bike in). When I asked why he didn't, he
said that he's never seen one that needed adjustment that soon. Well, if I
hadn't been a list member, I'd never know the difference. Basically, what
he's saying is to bring the bike right back in (in 1000 miles) for another
round of $65.00 service which , if he had checked the valves as recommended
in the maintenance schedule, would be totally unnecessary.
I don't like the way this went as I paid $60.00 for a wash and replacement
of a missing fastener.
You guys are right. Time to buy the manual and do it myself and time to
look for another dealer. They were nice enough, however. Thanks.
Bob Kaub
SUNY Binghamton
Watson School Student Shop
PO Box 6000
Binghamton, NY 13902
607-777-2715
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 08:47:46
From: Robert Kaub <rkaub@binghamton.edu>
Subject: (klr650) Highway Pegs
I received a set of highway pegs from Drive Line last Friday.
I tried to install them but they don't fit. Two problems; the first was
the fact that the two "ears" that slide over the motor mounts were bent
slightly toward each other. This was easily corrected with a 12 inch
adjustable wrench by bending the ears slightly away from each other. Cover
ears with rag to prevent scratches. This was very easy to do.
The second problem is that the holes in the ears and the motor mounts don't
line up. The first bolt goes in, of course, but the second will not.
Measurements with a vernier caliper and some calculations revealed that the
center to center distance between the mounting holes on the ears is 2.437"
(2 7/16"). The distance between the hole centers on the motor mounts is
2.350", a difference of .087" which is just a little too much to try and
force it together. (ugh)
The hole diameter on the ears is .312" (5/16") versus a 9MM (.350) in the
motor mounts.
I haven't called Tim Barnard yet because of the time difference but I'm
disappointed. This is pretty simple stuff and I really don't think I
should have to file and hand re-work these parts to get them to fit.
There's no way to get the welded peg assembly into a mill or drill press to
modify the holes neatly so you gotta do it by hand with a file. Ugh. Your
thoughts? Thanks.
Bob Kaub
SUNY Binghamton
Watson School Student Shop
PO Box 6000
Binghamton, NY 13902
607-777-2715
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 10:41:00 -0400
From: Peter Dahlheimer <dahlheim@UMDNJ.EDU>
Subject: (klr650) hands off
yeah, if they aren't too sharp of course...
i found there are a couple of ways to do it. one way is to lean to the
turn side, however you have to start leaning early because the bike will
take a few seconds to respond. another way is to use your legs as
"rudders", which works basically for the real slight bends. a third way
is hard to explain, but it's kind of a "jerk" to the side you are
turning, which is like the leaning thing but makes the bike respond a
bit faster and a bit more erratically.
_pete
97KLR650
Todd Emsley wrote:
> Pete,
>
> Could you handle the curves in the road with no hands also? I
> can zip
> up my jacket with no problem.
>
> Todd A11 hanging on these days
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 09:48:18 -0500
From: John Tranter <twocomm@bellsouth.net>
Subject: (klr650) 500 Service
Robert Kaub wrote:
>
> Thanks for the comments:
> I was very disappointed that the dealer did not check the valve clearance
> (the primary reason I took the bike in). When I asked why he didn't,
SNIP
> Bob Kaub
Just had the same experience. Was told they had never seen a KLR in need
of valve adjustment at 500 mile service so they just listen with a
stethoscope. Anyone out there know if this is legit? The dealership has
a reputation for honesty.
- --
John Tranter
'98 KLR 650
'93 Concours
Montgomery, AL
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 08:45:02 -0600
From: Kurt Simpson <ajax@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Highway Pegs
> I haven't called Tim Barnard yet because of the time difference but I'm
> disappointed. This is pretty simple stuff and I really don't think I
> should have to file and hand re-work these parts to get them to fit.
> There's no way to get the welded peg assembly into a mill or drill press to
> modify the holes neatly so you gotta do it by hand with a file. Ugh. Your
> thoughts? Thanks.
Bob, Tim is a fine guy, I'm sure he'll share your
disappointment and take care of you. Mine had to be bent out
as well. But I didn't have the problem with the holes lining
up. Maybe, Tim needs to recheck his jig. I had the same
problem with fitting my IMS front pegs, the leftside went on
well, the right side needed a lot of encouragement...
Kurt
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 08:48:26 -0600
From: Kurt Simpson <ajax@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: (klr650) 500 Service
John Tranter wrote:
>
> Robert Kaub wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the comments:
> > I was very disappointed that the dealer did not check the valve clearance
> > (the primary reason I took the bike in). When I asked why he didn't,
> SNIP
> > Bob Kaub
>
> Just had the same experience. Was told they had never seen a KLR in need
> of valve adjustment at 500 mile service so they just listen with a
> stethoscope. Anyone out there know if this is legit? The dealership has
> a reputation for honesty.
> --
John and Bob, your dealers are smoking dope. I did my own
valves and two were way tight at the 500 mile mark. I can't
imagine wanting to ride around with that uncertainty for
another 1000-5000 miles. One other lister had the same
experience. So, tell them there are at least two people who
have had tight valves and that is enough for you...
Kurt
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 09:06:20 -0600
From: Kurt Simpson <ajax@xmission.com>
Subject: (klr650) Super Motard KLX...
(NOTE: This post is forwarded for Dave, BTW, he sent me the
pics and his bike is
black and awesome looking, KURT)
Don't get into the whole Super Motard business! It quickly
becomes an
all consuming obsession. Here's my story (and pictures if
you mail me):
Having ridden MX-bikes as a kid and since then countless
other bikes, (a
couple of strokers, the odd race rep and so on) I one day
happened upon
a KLX that had only 3000 klicks on it. A '93 street model.
The thing is
that in Stockholm (where I live) the insurance premiums for
multi-cylinder bikes with lots of power are horrendous. For
a dual
sports bike on the other hand they are quite cheap. Seeing
the
opportunity of saving some money, and at the same time a
chance of
adopting a more relaxed and slower riding style, I bought
it. At first I
was very disappointed with the power, but then again - I had
bought the
bike because it was slow, so I tried not to think about it.
Then last summer I went to Paris with my girlfriend (not on
the KLX) -
big mistake. It turned out that every Galoise-smoking, self
respecting
Paris-dweller rides either a V-max (big, terrible handling,
overrated
power) or a Super Motard (mean looking, great handling,
cool). The most
popular bikes to give the motard treatment seemed to be
Yamaha XT's and
KLR/X's. I was hooked. So this winter I tore my KLX to
pieces and did
some mods (listed below) and now I'm the owner of a Super
Motard. The
bike is now really fun to ride, and I get stopped almost
every day, by
despatch riders, who want's to know what just passed them on
the inside.
The only problem is that I need more power. A lot more power
to be
frank. Nothing cams, re-jetting, pistons and a new pipe can
give me. At
first I wanted a Duke, but after having ridden one - nah,
not quite
powerful enough (and quite heavy actually). And besides,
although they
look cool, they are not 'proper' Super Motards. But now I
have found my
ultimate dream bike - a '98 600 cc Husaberg enduro bike
(Swedish made -
hooray!) This is a real racer, capable of utterly crushing a
Duke, a
FireBlade or whatever. It weighs a full 50 kg less than my
KLX, it has
an electric start and a balancer shaft (although it vibrates
quite a lot
anyway). And you can order it all motarded up. You even get
the choice
between a 4 or 6 speed gearbox (due to the massive torque, a
gearbox is
almost superfluous - Joel Smets who is the reigning 500cc MX
World champ
uses a three speed box), conventional or upside-down forks
etc. A French
magazine called "Moto Revue" tested it and said (and I
quote): "Caution
dynamite...just imagine handling a missile making a CBR 900
a laughing
stock". I can now no longer sleep nor eat; I just want for
someone to
buy my KLX so that I can get this awe-inspiring machine.
On the other hand, my KLX is now in a top notch condition
(only 10 000
km on the clock) and as I heard people asking for input on
motards, this
is what I did to it:
*Swapped rims (and spokes) for Spanish Acront 17 inchers
*Fitted Pirelli Dragons 120/160
*Removed all graphics
*Removed all unnecessary (for the street) plastic, such as
brake and
hand protectors
*Changed turn signals to smaller ones
*Cut rear frame off, made it more narrow and shorter, turned
it "upside
down" - welded it back on.
*Changed rear fender for a more modern upward-pointing one
from a Honda
CR500 (see above)
*Junked the huge luggage rack
*Fitted a new rear light and mud guard-assembly (UFO)
*Changed front mud guard to one from a Yamaha crosser (UFO)
*Powder coated frame black (it was mint-green would you
believe! Leave
it to the japs...), and painted the brake-calipers
yellow/gold
*Re-skinned saddle black (It too was mint-green!!!)
This bike is now for sale, if there are any Swedish people
on this list.
But I warn you; once bitten by the motard bug, you won't
stop until you
end up on a real racer...
Cheers//David
PS: if you want some pictures of the finished article, drop
me a line
on: david.andersson@almen.se
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:38:16 -0600
From: "Vikram Banerjee" <marbach@nucleus.com>
Subject: Re: (klr650) 500 Service
> John and Bob, your dealers are smoking dope. I did my own
> valves and two were way tight at the 500 mile mark. I can't
> imagine wanting to ride around with that uncertainty for
> another 1000-5000 miles. One other lister had the same
> experience. So, tell them there are at least two people who
> have had tight valves and that is enough for you...
>
> Kurt
I don't know if Kurt was referring to me, but my KLR had to have the valves
adjusted at 500miles. My dealer checked the clearance found it wasn't to
spec and then added some shims.
Cheers,
Vik
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 12:35:17 +0000
From: Alex Jomarron <alex319@IDT.NET>
Subject: (klr650) dual sport lessons!
As a new KLR owner and a strictly pavement rider for the last 20 years, I was wondering if there
was a MSF-like course for dirt. I found this dual sport course in Minnesota and I thought I'd share
this with anyone who may be interested in learning something before you do it the "hard knock"
method!!
Here's the scoop.
The $50 class runs from 8 to 4 on July 11, August 22, and September 5. They all have space
available.
It will be located in Coon Rapids, Minnesota. I believe it is very close to Minneapolis.
The classes will be limited to 8 students. Rental bikes are available for $35.
The lessons include: Advanced skills development of riding while standing on the pegs, weight
shifting for traction, lower body control for turns, surmounting obstacles, turns on hills, U turn on
hills and traversing hills.
For more info you can call 612-784-1488.
If you are interested, I plan on sending in my check for the 8/22 date.
Mail your check to:
Comprehensive Safety Systems
100 83rd Ave. N.E.
Suite 107
Fridley, MN 55432
Include your name/address/phone number.
Don't forget to include the date you are registering for!
Alex Jomarron
Oak Park, IL
88 BMW K75S
98 Kawasaki KLR650
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 13:50:01 -0500
From: Jim Barthell <Jim.Barthell@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: NKLR...Re: (klr650) Bearings
Kurt Simpson wrote:
> slid right off while I was trying to clean my hands
> with some rags.
I know this one!! "Lessee I know I had it when I started digging up that
spinkler out of the mud." So I re-dug up the sprinkler meticulusly examining
every muddy dirt clod. Finally found it 2 weeks later in the bucket I used to
wash the car with... after the sprinkler job.
- --
Jim Barthell - TX
'97 'C-O-O-O-W'...asaki KiLleR 650
FSSNOC #2421
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 13:56:12 -0500
From: Jim Barthell <Jim.Barthell@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Highway Pegs
Robert Kaub wrote:
> center to center distance between the mounting holes on the ears is 2.437"
> (2 7/16"). The distance between the hole centers on the motor mounts is
> 2.350", a difference of .087" which is just a little too much to try and
> force it together. (ugh)
> The hole diameter on the ears is .312" (5/16") versus a 9MM (.350) in the
> motor mounts.
> I haven't called Tim Barnard yet because of the time difference but I'm
> disappointed.
Call him, something is wrong, mine were snug but everything fit together just
fine.
- --
Jim Barthell - TX
'97 'C-O-O-O-W'...asaki KiLleR 650
FSSNOC #2421
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:02:32 -0400
From: Dave Wormmeester <davew@kvi.net>
Subject: RE: (klr650) 500 Service
Just had the same experience. Was told they had never seen a KLR in need
of valve adjustment at 500 mile service so they just listen with a
stethoscope. Anyone out there know if this is legit? The dealership has
a reputation for honesty.
I was told the same thing. Checked it myself at 3600 miles and found
them to be O.K. Checked again at 8600 found one tight exhaust valve.
I know of a dealer who charges for checking valves when they do
"break in maintenance" but never does. This is a highly respected
Dealer. It has been my experience that dealerships do not want to do
valve clearance checks. Anyone else found this to be the case?
Dave W.
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:38:01 -0700
From: "Eric Rhoads" <eroads@europa.com>
Subject: (klr650) lower front fender
HI....I checked out the Acerbis 'lowered front fender kit' it's a
universal mount with "most of the hardware you'll need". From the
description, it's a short little thing, which comes in white or black,
non-paintable plastic, for $40.
I would prefer matched color in something more made-for the bike.
....after market stuff...ah well.
The lower fender looks good on the Swiss version of the bike but I'd
imagine it's a rather different front suspension system as
well...differently made forks, different size wheel ( 18" I think). ....I
am gonna be happy with what I got.....even more so after it gets lowered
1.5" !
eric
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:32:13 -0400
From: Matthew Duftler <duftler@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR Fact. Dir. Modification
Hey guys,
I finally dragged the FDM info. out of Kawi and my dealer. The Factory Directed
Modification was addressed in Service Bulletin # MC94-09.
It affects the following:
Model: KL650-A9
Engine Number Range: KL650AE027617 thru 027788
The jist of the mod. was to place washers under the retaining screws for the
Oil Filter Cover. The Oil Filter Cover itself appears to have not been changed.
I have scanned and forwarded the file to the few people who sent me e-mail
asking for it. It is quite large (approx. 1MB). The poor quality of the scan
reflects the poor quality of the inkjet printout I received from my dealer. The
letters that are missing from the right-side margin are also missing on the
original printout I have.
For anyone who is curious, I got the bulletin # from Kawasaki's Consumer
Services Division. Their number is: 1-714-460-5688.
The man I spoke with (his name was Richard) was helpful with the exception of
his comment: "Hey buddy, your dealer is an independent business, we can't do
anything. And no, I cannot recommend another dealer, I don't have that kind of
information available." (I got the Cons. Svcs. Div. number from an operator at
Kawi's R-I-D-E number.)
When I brought the old (broken) cover, the bulletin#, and Richard's phone
number to my dealer, he refunded the $31 I paid for the cover. He then hooked
me up with the printed bulletin.
Later,
Matt
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:28:05 -0700
From: frjsmithjr@webtv.net (Francis Smith)
Subject: (klr650) Initial Service & Valve Adjustment
My Kawasaki dealer was right up front enough
to tell me not to bring the KLR in for the initial
service with less than 800 miles on the clock,
because there is, in his experience, little or no
valve adjustment needed with just 500 miles
logged. I took his advice. I changed the oil and
filter at 500 miles, then took the bike in for the
initial service at 850 miles. At 850 miles only
one shim was used. Some loose fittings were
located under the tank and were taken care of.
The tab was $104, which I thought wasn't bad.
Remember, during break-in you can't rev. above 4,000 RPM for the first
500 miles, so
nothing really is going to loosen up when you're
not putting that much stress on the engine.
After 500 miles you can rev up to 6,000 RPM
and you'll be putting a bit more stress on the
valve train, so it stands to reason that if the
valve train is going to loosen up it'll be from
500 miles to 1,000 miles. As one other poster
put it, mi dos centavos.
Jim
'98 KLR
'98 GL 1500
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:47:10 -0700
From: conallob@webtv.net (Conall O'Brien)
Subject: (klr650) Rent a M/C in Maine?
I'm planning a trip to maine and was wondering if any of you mainiacs
new of a place to rent a bike for a week or so. Thanks in advance for
any leads. Only place I can find is Cruiseamerica in Hartford CT.
Conall
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 00:35:56 EDT
From: <Cloudhid@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Rent a M/C in Maine?
In a message dated 6/8/98 9:21:07 PM, conallob@webtv.net wrote:
>I'm planning a trip to maine and was wondering if any of you mainiacs
>new of a place to rent a bike for a week or so. Thanks in advance for
>any leads. Only place I can find is Cruiseamerica in Hartford CT.
Conall, I don't remember if these sites list Maine specifically.
If not, they may lead you there.
CA Ron ( who knows of plenty...here in CA )
http://www.monmouth.com/~wdudley/rentalmc.htm
<A HREF=3D"http://www.monmouth.com/~wdudley/rentalmc.htm">Worldwide Renta=
l=0AMotorcycle Listing</A>
http://www.cfht.hawaii.edu/~cruise/moto_rental.html
<A HREF=3D"http://www.cfht.hawaii.edu/~cruise/moto_rental.html">Motorcycl=
e=0ARental, Shipping & Tour Information =C9</A>=0A
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:59:21 -0700
From: "Eric Rhoads" <eroads@europa.com>
Subject: (klr650) Lowering KLR
....ordered lowering links from Quality Engine 334-693-9203 (in Alabama).
They should give about 1.25 to 1.5 " drop. Current cost is $99 plus
shipping $3.
...and thanks to Ron Crandell for assistance!
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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 00:02:22 -0600
From: "Dave Watkins4" <pgpilot@shaw.wave.ca>
Subject: (klr650) Canuks On Tour - Vancouver BC - Seattle WA return
Hi All,
Vik Banerjee and I will be blasting out to the Left Coast tomorrow
afternoon. Will probably hit Vancouver on Wednesday around 10:00 am. We
plan to check out a few of the local MC dealers along with a quick
sidetrack to the RC store. If anyone feels like running interference
(guide) for us in the Vancouver area it would be appreciated.
On another note I will be soloing it down to the Seattle area and then
gradually making my way back to Calgary via the scenic route. I'll buy
the burgers if anyone wants to get together in Seattle or elsewhere
along the trail. I need to be back in Calgary by Sunday but other than
that am just putting on the miles, ventilating the soul.
Dave Watkins
Calgary, AB
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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 00:21:41 -0600
From: Skip Faulkner <msfaul@digisys.net>
Subject: (klr650) Charging system
Dave,
Our e-mail is signed with my wife`s name and am correcting it. I`m
adding in order of priority: dual driving lights
higher wattage brake lights and signals
stereo
heated grips
Don`t worry about the GPS,as the current draw is negligable.I use an
aviation handheld GPS with a substantial database and more complex
features than a recreation version when I`m flying and the required fuse
to hardwire it in the plane was only one amp.
- ----------------------Skip----------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 00:48:34 -0600
From: Skip Faulkner <msfaul@digisys.net>
Subject: (klr650) klr lowering
Eric,
I don`t know what all you looked into before going with the links but
if you are lowering the bike for comfort,consider a couple of cheap
things I did first.
Iloosened the fork tube clamps and lowered the front two inches
without loosing suspension travel but lost a little tire-to-fender
clearance.I`ve got over two thousand miles with INDICATED speeds up to
95 mph with no noticeable handling problems including off-road.Second I
took my seat to a good automotive upholsterer with cycle seat experience
and had him remove 2.5 inches of the stock foam from the front half of
the seat Corbin Canyon style and it looks great.Also more comfortable on
long rides since I wasn`t heavy enough (155 lbs.)to compress the hard
Kawasaki stuff anyway.It also is wider down lower therefor giving more
support. He scooped an additional half inch out and placed a half inch
of low density foam over the original.I love it and like it better than
my buddy`s Corbin seat,and mine only cost $30. With these two changes my
bike is a lot more comfortable since I can now get both feet on the
ground as I`m only 5`6.
- --------------------Skip------------------------------------------------
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