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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:22:36 -0400
From: "J. Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) KLX & the Atlas Rally

Last years Atlas Rally in Morrocco saw Alain Perez lead most of the
rally on a KLX 650 until he decided to get lost, throw his bike down and
break the headlamp assembly (he actually crashed after getting lost).
Anyway, he campaigned this KLX as a privateer unlike many of the KTM's
supported by the factory that he led for so long and still wound up
second. Does anyone know if he is still riding the KLX based demon in
rallies abroad? The 1998 Atlas Rally starts up in a few weeks and I was
just curious. Nice to see a KL based bike smokin' the Atlas Mountains.
WWW.Dakar.com has the Atlas page if you want to check it out. Also has
info on registering for 1999 Atlas Rally as an amateur/ride-along for
the well heeled KLR rider who wants to see Morrocco up close.

Jake

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:38:24 -0700
From: "Ryan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Riding Australia!

This post is to all of those sun-spoiled-bronzed-bodied ozzies! I don't
know, do we have many australian riders here on the list? Ted, you're from
Australia right? Next july I plan to visit Oz for a few months of
travelling before I settle down there for my third year of University in
February (I'll be in Perth - UWA). When I go to Oz, I want tour by bike.
Tasmania and the Kimberly country look fascinating (I've gotta see those
bungle bungles!) I've had three bikes now... an '87 RZ-350, a '94 ZX-600,
and now the KLR and the KLR is by far my favorite. So, my question is, are
there a lot of used KLR's "down under" for sale, or, would I be wiser to
try to put mine on 'da boat. What is a new KLR worth out the door over
there? My dealer here told me that in Australia, the KLR 650 is not
referred to by that name, rather it is called the Kawasaki Kango. Is this
true? or is this just dealer hocus-pocus?

from a sun-deprived Canuck,

Ryan Orr
'93 KLR 650
Vancouver, BC


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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:11:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Vervaeke <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) My Take on Moab

Hello:

I'm very new to the KLR world as I've only owned my 98 KLR for 2 weeks.
I managed to put just 512 miles on before the rally.

Firstly I'd like to say thanks to Gino and Fred for making this happen.
There were a lot of people (me included) who had many questions, demands,
and issues that needed to be settled and they did a great job. Fred has an
excellent shop (once you found it) and it was a great rally point for the
rally.

I arrived late on Thursday with my KLR on a trailer and brought a friend who
would ride my other dirt bike, a Honda XR600. On Friday we headed to the
shop and found it easily once we knew to turn off the highway at the Branding
Iron restaurant.

Before even heading out to the trail I snagged the last White Brothers skid
plate from Fred and managed to mount it on my KLR with the loan of a few
tools from Fred. I like the plate, the price was fair, and it was worth it's
weight in gold out in Moab. I would NOT ride in Moab w/o a metal plate, but
that's just MHO. I purchased the great Moab West map from Fred that was
instrumental in assisting me ride the trails. Next year I'll get the East
version and do some of the excellent trails that Robert mentioned earlier.

A good sized group of 15 or so did a series of trails on Friday that included
the Shafer Trail and the Potash Road. After a late lunch with friends I then
got in a good ride of the Kane Creek Trail and went up to Hurrah Pass with
Rex Heffran and back. Wow, what a load of fun. I learned that the KLR has
decent power if you keep it up in the 5-6K rpm range. At this point I had not
ridden my XR at all as Dan was riding it. I felt the KLR did a good job in
the dirt but not exemplary.

On Friday night I hung around Fred's with a lot of others and drank some
beer, ate pizza, and bench raced. Got into the sack early as I was bushed.

On Saturday Dan and I decided to take the Jeep and drive around Arches in
the morning instead of the White Rim trail. The group doing the White Rim
looked a little large to us and we did not want to dedicate the entire day
to one trail. With so many good trails around we wanted to explore. We did
some riding around Arches and then found a nice 4x4 trail and explored this
with the Wrangler for 6 or 7 miles. It got kind of gnarly in the Jeep and I'm
glad I had the Dana44 rear axle.

On Saturday afternoon we dressed up and did the Gemini Bridges Trail almost
all the way to 313, then rode the Bull Canyon trail, Gold Bar, and Golden
Spike Jeep Trail. The last two trails were more fun for me as I rode the XR
and asked Dan to ride the KLR. Parts of the Gold Bar and Golden Spike were
somewhat technical with lots of polished rock, shelves, and some other
assorted rock jumping and negotiating required. I personally would have not
gotten my KLR back up parts of that trail. Even with the XR I was worried
but Dan is an excellent dirt rider and helped me find my lines. We watched
many of the extreme off-road Jeep Wranglers negotiate these trails. Saw
at least two places where someone had dumped large quantities of oil on the
rocks from hitting their oil pans or something. We only did about 3-4 miles
on these last two trails as it was getting late and threatening to rain
and lightening on us. I'll try to finish them next year.

I also managed to install a K&N airfilter purchased from Fred on Saturday
before riding in the afternoon. I could discern no difference in performance
at all, but that's not the reason I switched. I tried to purchase a set of
the Driveline racks for my bike but they were all sold out. So the next
purchases will most likely be the Driveline racks, metal IMS pegs, and the
Aerostich Ortlieb bags. After that I may consider Progressive fork springs
and shock. All in all the KLR was a good bike until it got really gnarly
for me. But, as evidenced by others, the KLR can go more places with a good
pilot on board. I'm just an average dirt rider.

We joined in the Saturday evening meal and bench racing session and then
got a good night's sleep. We departed around 7 am on Sunday morning and
were back in Denver by 1:30 or so. We saw the Ducati Elephante sitting on
the side of I-70 about 3 miles before the Eisenhower Tunnel. The owner must
have attempted to leave on Saturday night to beat the expected snow in the
Rockies and got caught.

It was great meeting many of the folks I had emailed with on the list. I
hope to do this next year. However, due to the price of rooms in Moab,
and the generally good weather, I plan on camping...  I took about 50 pictures
and hope to have them developed soon. I'll be glad to provide a set to
Bill Haycock if asked to put on the web, etc..

Regards,

Tom Vervaeke
Colorado Springs, CO.





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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:29:35 EDT
From: MORIARTPAT <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) KLR for Sale

For Sale:
1998 KLR 650
5800 miles
10 months of factory warranty left with option to purchase
2 or 3 years more through Kawasaki.
Perfect condition- cleaner than new
Properly broken in
frequent oil changes (Spectro)
Bought it new in March of 98!  (less than two months old!)
KLR is too tall for me!
Brand new Avon Gripster tires. (Zero miles)
Extras
$4300

Call Patrick
415-479-0718 or E-mail :  [e-mail]
San Rafael, CA

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:50:11 -0600
From: Kurt Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) KLR as first bike...

To the post concerning KLR as a first bike. You might want
to browse through the archives of this list to get plenty of
thoughts on the strengths and weaknesses of the bike.

http://www.xmission.com/~dkenison/cgi/lwgate.cgi/KLR650/archives/

It might be more instructive to consider that a lot of KLR
owners (a lot of the people on this list) have owned many
many bikes and currently have a KLR in their stable. I can't
think of one thing that the KLR does better than any other
bike: it is not a great dirt bike (weight and suspension),
it is not a great tourer (too light, under powered and
vibration), it is not a great commuter bike (seat
height)...but a lot of KLR owners believe there is no other
single bike that can do all three of those tasks
better...so, what it does do better than any other bike is
offer considerable versatility.

At Moab this past weekend, there were places that pure dirt
bikes would go that the KLR would have no business
attempting, on the other hand, there were places that a KLR
would and did go (with average riders) that I would not have
wanted to take a heavier "adventure" bike like GS's,
Elephantes, and Trans Alps.

Some people rode their bikes for hundreds of miles...jumped
into the dirt and left the way they came without any
changes. One of Haycock's group pounded the dirt day after
day, missing from the Saturday night dinner, I asked where
he was, the response: "oh, he left for Mexico this morning."
Now mind you, he did not take the bike in the shop for two
days to tinker and tighten (probably should have) he just
left for Mexico...after arriving from Georgia...after six
days of trail riding in Moab...For some people, that is all
we could expect from a first or last bike.


- --
Kurt Simpson KLR650 A12
             HawkGT '89 FS
         XS-650 '77 FS
         XS-650 '79 FS
             XS-650 '80 FS

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Dual Sport Newsletter

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:33:21 -0700
From: Dave Svoboda <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) KLR600 Q's

Howdy,

I bought an 86 KLR600 last fall and I have a few questions.  I should
explain that I've been riding street bikes for many years, dirt bikes
for a bit as a teenager, and am an accomplished backyard mechanic.

1. Are the electrics really so wimpy that the signals should refuse to
blink at idle, or do I have an alternator or grounding problem?  Charging
is equally as weak.  It's as bad as my old 78 CB400T, but the KLR is eight
years newer!

2. The bike came without chain-guard or chain guides.  I just recently
fitted a new O-ring chain and sprocks, and am about to fit a ScottOiler.
I was wondering what is exactly the function of the chain-guides, and
whether the chain is going to jump off without them?  Or at least jump
around enough to destroy the oiler.  I understand that dirbike chainguides
are to keep rocks out from between the chain and sprock, but is there
another function, like keeping the loose (for the big suspension) chain on?

3. Is it supposed to be so hard to wheelie, or is something wrong with
my bike?  I'm used to being able to lift the front wheel pretty easily on
dirtbikes, but wheelying on the KLR feels like I'm abusing the clutch and
engine.  What good is all that ground clearance if you can't heft the
front over obstacles and gullies and such?

4. How do I get the muffler core out?  The shop manual says to remove a
screw and pull it out.  Yeah, right.  I took out the screw and pulled
on the inner pipe until I thought I tear something (on the bike, or me),
all to no avail.  Any tricks?

5. I've read people talk about changing the oil on REAL short schedules,
like after every offroad dirt ride.  Is there any reason for this?  I
mean, the mud doesn't get in the oil, after all!  I always change my
streetbike oil on a 3000 mile schedule.  (And use synth Mob1).


***************************************
* Dave Svoboda, Software Staff Engr   *
* Sony PMCA  [e-mail] *
***************************************

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:16:10 -0600
From: Kurt Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Tool Kit...

I'm looking for a favor. Could someone breakout their stock
tool kit (this only applies to those of you who absolutely
positively know that that kit is complete) and itemize the
contents for me. In my helter skelter rush to get my bike
back together I'm a mixin and a matchin with about 4 other
kits and in attempting to swap my tires while using only the
tools I carry on the bike I came up with no 21 mm wrench for
the front axle nut.

If you post it to the list it will spare anyone else from
having to do it. Thanks...

Also, does anyone know the best way to protect the rim from
damage (again, using tools you will have on the road only)
when prying the bead off...I know have three gouges on my
A12 front because I leaped ahead instead of asking for
help...

Thanks,

Kurt
- --
Kurt Simpson KLR650 A12
             HawkGT '89
             CB750K4 FS

Ask me how to subscribe to the KLR
Dual Sport Newsletter

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:17:07 -0400
From: Blair Young <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Lonely

If Bill just made a formal motion to have an east coast rally somewhere
in the Smoky Mountains, I'd like to second that motion!
It sure would be nice to have a rally a little closer to home!
Blair Young
Belmont, NC
PS Maybe with some better planning, we can avoid the fiasco the Beemer
enthusiasts had at Fontana!

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:23:00 -0400
From: Blair Young <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Lonely

JP:
I have a friend that has a sign and graphics company. He has a computer
that will cut about any type of design you can think of.  I'm thinking
about getting him to cut some stickers for me out of the 3M Scotchlite
stuff.  I think this is the way to go if you like reflector and stickers
but don't want to look like a rolling billboard for motorcycle accessory
companies.  If you would like his phone number, just let me know.
Blair Young
[e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:41:12 EDT
From: [e-mail] (Norman D Coffenberry)
Subject: Re: (klr650) Lonely

>If Bill just made a formal motion to have an east coast rally
>somewhere
>in the Smoky Mountains,

How's about Helen Georgia?

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:46:35 EDT
From: MacGhuairi <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Break-downs...

I have had my bike since February and had to have it towed to the dealer
twice.  The first time it stalled on an offramp from the highway and wouldn't
restart for about 45 min.  When it did start again it wouldn't idle under 4
grand.  When the dealer picked it up later that afternoon it fired right up
and idled just fine.  After he looked at it he called and told me the float
valve was trashed and they replaced it.

Second break down, one tank of gas later, 218 miles, it shut down cold in
HEAVY traffic in the left lane at 70 mph.  Managed, only by the grace of God,
to get off the highway.  Again it wouldn't start, but this time after trying
to start it fuel would pour out from the bottom of the bike.  4 HOURS later I
finally got it started and off the highway to a phone.  Again the dealer had
to come to tow the bike.  This time when he used his magical powers of
restarting it bogged down and vomitted fuel everywhere.  Back to the shop.
Keep in mind the bike was bought new 2 months prior.

This time the diagnosis was '" couldn't find anything so we just cleaned the
carb '"   Does anyone have any idea if this has happened before?  I love this
bike but I hate pushing it.

John " researching the lemon law " Macquarrie

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:44:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jim Franklin <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) "loose" Tengai

Hi all...for a few years, my Tengai has been getting loose. It will go
into a nasty headshake if I provoke it a bit, it's wobbly in the turns,
has a pull to the left, and if I shake the bars while standing astride
it, the tail section will shake and rattle like I've loosened the
frame and swingarm bolts. I'v ebeen through the bike, found nothing
loose, even had teh Frame Man go through it. The only thing left I
can think of is loose spokes. It has 40K on it. Can anyone confirm this
or come up with another fault?

SInce I know the spokes need tightening anyway, can anyone recommend a good
spoker in teh SF Bay area, preferably south bay (I'm in Sunnyvale)?

thanks,
jim

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:51:47 EDT
From: Cloudhid <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  (klr650) Tool Kit...Box Stock

Kurt, it's a good thing I haven't had to pull my front wheel
on the road:-).  Here's the contents:

*black plastic button down bag ;-)
*open end combo wrench...17mm/14mm
*open end combo wrench...12mm/10mm
*open end combo wrench.....9mm/8mm
*closed end wrench 19mm with tire lever
*closed end wrench 24mm with tire lever
*pliers
*combo spark plug socket/phillips bit holder
*medium head phillips bit
*large head phillips bit
*small breaker bar
*5" long 12mm socket

The cheese pliers won't work to break the bead. On other bikes
I've used my foot to break it using anything handy to cushion the
other side of the rim.

Ron (packin' a little more)


In a message dated 4/28/98 2:25:17 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

>I'm looking for a favor. Could someone breakout their stock
>tool kit (this only applies to those of you who absolutely
>positively know that that kit is complete) and itemize the
>contents for me. In my helter skelter rush to get my bike
>back together I'm a mixin and a matchin with about 4 other
>kits and in attempting to swap my tires while using only the
>tools I carry on the bike I came up with no 21 mm wrench for
>the front axle nut.
>
>If you post it to the list it will spare anyone else from
>having to do it. Thanks...
>
>Also, does anyone know the best way to protect the rim from
>damage (again, using tools you will have on the road only)
>when prying the bead off...I know have three gouges on my
>A12 front because I leaped ahead instead of asking for
>help...
>
>Thanks,
>
>Kurt
>--
>Kurt Simpson KLR650 A12
>             HawkGT '89
>             CB750K4 FS

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:36:25 -0500
From: Robert Carreras <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) FIRST MOAB PICS

Ok, Ok.... until an official report/pictorial is published....here's
the first pics from the Moab Rally that I scanned today and posted here:

http://web.nstar.net/~carreras/

Enjoy......BoB

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:28:26 -0700
From: "Vikram Banerjee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) MSR KLX650 Bash plate

Hello all,

Can anyone confirm if a MSR bash plate for a KLX650 will bolt right on to a
KLR650?

Cheers,

Vik

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:39:15 -0400
From: "Germain Gagnon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Looking to buy.

Hi James

I've got a new KLR650 98 for 2 weeks now. I'm not disapointed so far. If
you are looking for a versatile bike as Kurt Simpson said, you will get t=
he
right bike. I was worrying before buying this bike about the vibration. M=
y
first feeling was a bit disapointed, the vibration was a bit higher than =
I
expected. Anyway, you get used to it very fast (I was used to a Magna V45
84 before).=20

Good Points:

1) Power is good but I'm limited to 4000 RPM so far (break in period).
2) The seat is high. I like it, you feel less intimited by the cars and y=
ou
can see above it.
3) Suspension is very good for my point of view.=20
4) Clutch lever is smooth and the shifter work  well .
6) The bike is so light for me. I can go anywhere compare to my Magna and
the handling is very easy.
7) Gas tank is 23 liters. It gave me a 4.5 L/100 Km for the first ride.

Bad points:

1) Break are not too strong but you get used to it very fast.
2) Mirrors are shaking. This is the worst part.
3) I'm always looking for the sixth gear. (Used to my old Magna V45).
4) The bike is very sensitive to the wind.
5) Small bike for long ride with two up.=20

If this is your first bike. I will say GO FOR IT, you won't be disapointe=
d.
Price, what can I say; the price of a new KLR is about the price of an us=
ed
bike.

Good Luck

Germain
Suzuki TS75 '77
Suzuki GS400 '78
Honda Magna V45 '84
Kawasaki KLR650 '98=20
=20


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> De : [e-mail]
> A : [e-mail]
> Objet : (klr650) Looking to buy.
> Date=A0: 28 avril, 1998 10:35
>=20
> I've been considering a KLR 650 as my first bike.  Does anyone have any
> advice as to what to expect?  I thought about going new, but I've also
> considered going the used route.  Any sellers?  I'm in the New York
> City/Long Island area.  Thanks.
> James
>=20
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:47:11 -0600
From: "Fred Hink" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) MSR KLX650 Bash plate

I would say not as there are different part numbers for both.

Fred

>Hello all,
>
>Can anyone confirm if a MSR bash plate for a KLX650 will bolt right on to a
>KLR650?
>
>Cheers,
>
>Vik
>
>

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:49:05 -0600
From: "Fred Hink" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Moab PIX

ALRIGHT BoB!!!

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:50:03 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Jim Franklin)
Subject: Re: (klr650) MSR KLX650 Bash plate

At 7:47 PM 4/28/98, Fred Hink wrote:
>I would say not as there are different part numbers for both.
>
>Fred

Unfortunately, that isn't always the case. My Tengai has a different part
number from the KLR air filter, yet they are supposedly the same.

jim

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:45:37 -0500
From: "F. Michael Hilton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Lonely

I'd vote for that....

Norman D Coffenberry wrote:

>
> How's about Helen Georgia?
>
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"EL CHIVO ROJO"          "WUNDERLUST"
THE RED GOAT

Mike HILTON
>RUSTON, LA
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:00:16 -0700
From: West Hovland <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Re: Chain lube

Hi folks,

I do as Darrel suggest's. I grab a can of Chain Wax but then...(drum
roll plueezz!) I start the bike, pull it toward me on the side stand,
pop it in first gear and shoot the the chain for a few revolutions top
and bottom. Now kids...don't try this at home. I watched my best freind
when we were teenagers , try and wipe off the excess with a towel with
way. Well the sprocket caught the towel and sucked it through along with
my buddies thumb! I had the pleasure of digging through the towel,
bagging his stray digit and  transporting both to the ER. I have a
healthy respect for the meat grinding effect of chain and sprocket. :)

West  ( still have have opposable thumbs)

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:09:10 +0000
From: Alex Jomarron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) 55/100 v. 80/100 bulb upgrade

Just a thought abou t upgrading the lighting on the KLRs.
Feedback from you engineering types is welcome AND encouraged!

Considering the frailties of the stock wiring it makes sense (to me) to use a 55/100 as opposed
to the 80/100. The low beam constantly burns. The 80 will place in increased burden on the
wires. I would believe you would only need the high beam at night (no snickering),  and limited
use at that (in most case). Thereby limiting the abuse to the wires.
So, whaddya think???

Alex Jomarron
Oak Park, IL
88 BMW K75S
98 KLR 650

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:20:45 +0000
From: Alex Jomarron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Re: Moab trails

Robert,
GREAT post on Moab trails.
I'm keeping it for future reference.

Alex Jomarron
Oak Park, IL

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:36:59 -0700
From: Tom Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Lonely

At 06:41 PM 4/28/98 EDT, Norman D Coffenberry wrote:
>
>
>>If Bill just made a formal motion to have an east coast rally
>>somewhere
>>in the Smoky Mountains,
>
>How's about Helen Georgia?


    That would work. As an alternative, I have had pretty good
luck staying at Blue Ridge Cycle Resort at Cruso, NC (not far from
Brevard off the Parkway) Nice facility, good food, finbe riding, ect.


- -Tom
'96 KLR 650

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:41:46 -0700
From: Tom Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Break-downs...

At 06:46 PM 4/28/98 EDT, MacGhuairi wrote:
>I have had my bike since February and had to have it towed to the dealer
>twice.  The first time it stalled on an offramp from the highway and wouldn't
>restart for about 45 min.  When it did start again it wouldn't idle under 4
>grand.  When the dealer picked it up later that afternoon it fired right up
>and idled just fine.  After he looked at it he called and told me the float
>valve was trashed and they replaced it.
>
>Second break down, one tank of gas later, 218 miles, it shut down cold in
>HEAVY traffic in the left lane at 70 mph.  Managed, only by the grace of God,
>to get off the highway.  Again it wouldn't start, but this time after trying
>to start it fuel would pour out from the bottom of the bike.  4 HOURS later I
>finally got it started and off the highway to a phone.  Again the dealer had
>to come to tow the bike.  This time when he used his magical powers of
>restarting it bogged down and vomitted fuel everywhere.  Back to the shop.
>Keep in mind the bike was bought new 2 months prior.
>
>This time the diagnosis was '" couldn't find anything so we just cleaned the
>carb '"   Does anyone have any idea if this has happened before?  I love this
>bike but I hate pushing it.


    You want my guess? I think that the carb had a minor problem
the first time around, and that the dealers "repairs" likely caused
the second problem.


    Dont give up on her yet! Mine has almost 23,000 miles on her
and has never had the carb off the bike.

    Though the rear shock is starting to get a bit lame.  :I

- -Tom
'96 KLR 650
Lots 'o miles

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 98 21:03:38 PDT
From: "Marick Payton"   <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Lubing chain

A serious dirt ridding buddy--the famous Doc Wong--demonstrated
a challenging but clever trick for lubing the chain on my KLX.
As several others described here, it began with pulling the bike
over on the side stand.  In this case, pulling over while kneeling
down beside the bike, and balancing it with his head. Thus, he
had both hands free, one to rotate the tire and the other to spray
the chain. It works, doesn't have the risk factor of using the
engine to turn the chain, but takes good technique or you'll be
splat under a big lump of a motorcycle.

Marick

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:47:29 +1000
From: Ted Palmer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) 55/100 v. 80/100 bulb upgrade

Alex Jomarron wrote:

[...]
> Considering the frailties of the stock wiring it makes sense (to me) to use a 55/100 as opposed
> to the 80/100. The low beam constantly burns. The 80 will place in increased burden on the
> wires. I would believe you would only need the high beam at night (no snickering),  and limited
> use at that (in most case). Thereby limiting the abuse to the wires.
> So, whaddya think???

I'm more inclined to see the light switch as the weak link.
For a high wattage use, or even for a standard installation, a relay
would be benificial (and I think necessary when pulling 80 or 100w).

Mister_T
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:20:01 -0700
From: "Vikram Banerjee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) 55/100 v. 80/100 bulb upgrade

Sounds reasonable to me.  Are H4 bulbs made in a 55/100W configuration?

Cheers,

Vik
- ----------
> From: Alex Jomarron <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: (klr650) 55/100 v. 80/100 bulb upgrade
> Date: Tuesday, April 28, 1998 2:09 PM
>
> Just a thought abou t upgrading the lighting on the KLRs.
> Feedback from you engineering types is welcome AND encouraged!
>
> Considering the frailties of the stock wiring it makes sense (to me) to
use a 55/100 as opposed
> to the 80/100. The low beam constantly burns. The 80 will place in
increased burden on the
> wires. I would believe you would only need the high beam at night (no
snickering),  and limited
> use at that (in most case). Thereby limiting the abuse to the wires.
> So, whaddya think???
>
> Alex Jomarron
> Oak Park, IL
> 88 BMW K75S
> 98 KLR 650

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:24:01 -0700
From: "Vikram Banerjee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Michelin T66

Hello all,

Has anyone used Michelin T66 tires on their KLR?  If so what did you think?

Cheers,

Vik

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 03:24:09 EDT
From: Cloudhid <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  (klr650) KLR600 Q's

In a message dated 4/28/98 1:38:18 PM, [e-mail] wrote:
>3. Is it supposed to be so hard to wheelie, or is something wrong with
>my bike?  I'm used to being able to lift the front wheel pretty easily on
>dirtbikes, but wheelying on the KLR feels like I'm abusing the clutch and
>engine.  What good is all that ground clearance if you can't heft the
>front over obstacles and gullies and such? (snip)
>5. I've read people talk about changing the oil on REAL short schedules,
>like after every offroad dirt ride.  Is there any reason for this?  I
>mean, the mud doesn't get in the oil, after all!  I always change my
>streetbike oil on a 3000 mile schedule.  (And use synth Mob1). (snip)

 Dave, unless our friend Mr. T in Australia has a better program,
 I find that if you load 220 lb, (100 Kg.) on the rear rack,
 that you can easily pull 5th gear wheelies. Of course this
 is with a '96 650. You need to adjust for the 600's balance;-)

 As far as the short oil change intervals, every time I've
 changed the filter, (1000 Miles), what I see tells me it's
 not a bad idea. After the feedback here, I switched to Mobil1
 on the last one. I ordered a stainless filter from Fred. I'll play it
 by ear and see how long I think it should be 'till the next drain.
 BTW, if I let it drain long enough, it takes almost 2.6 Qt (2.5L) to
 make the top of the sight glass while holding the bike level.

   Ron   (draggin' his oily butt)

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 03:44:41 EDT
From: Cloudhid <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  (klr650) Looking to buy.

In a message dated 4/28/98 7:38:29 AM, [e-mail] wrote:
>I've been considering a KLR 650 as my first bike.  Does anyone have any
>advice as to what to expect?

I've been riding since a teen, but my wife is tired of looking at the
back of my helmet. So she is out looking for one of her own now.
It would make maintenance and parts a lot easier on me if she wanted
a klr650, but she's inseam challenged and finds the height intimidating.
Another Lister here posted his bike for sale for a similar reason.
Best to go sit on some bikes in the showroom and get a feel if you're
new to 2 wheelin'. Better still take a course, then borrow a friends bike
for a test ride. If you're already a cyclist and want street, dirt and
touring, then IMHO, *it's the best all around bike*.

Brother Ron (testifying)

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 04:41:41 -0500
From: Jim Barthell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) 55/100 v. 80/100 bulb upgrade

Alex Jomarron wrote:

>  The low beam constantly burns. The 80 will place in increased burden on the
> wires. I would believe you would only need the high beam at night (no snickering),  and limited
> use at that (in most case). Thereby limiting the abuse to the wires.

This probably is a fair compromise given the circumstances. I run the high-beams regularly and the
low only at night. the teory being if the more frequently used beam, (high), were to burn out first
I'd still be able to drive at night without blinding everyone. Plus the added visibility during
daylight.


- --
Jim Barthell - TX

'97 'C-O-O-O-W'...asaki KiLleR 650
FSSNOC #2421

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:26:12 -0400
From: "Catron, Geoff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) '95 vs '98 KLR...big differences?

Hello All,

I've been looking around for a KLR for a few weeks now and would like to
thank everyone on the list who has been so kind to offer ideas and pass
along information on what they've seen.  THANKS!

I THINK I've found a new '95 for about 2/3 of what a new '98 would cost
(haven't seen it yet).  Do any of you KLR pros out there have any advice
as to whether the '95 would be a good investment or should I just bite
the bullet and go for the '98?

Thanks again,

Geoff

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:26:37 -0400
From: Bill Wright <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Eastern Get Together!

Hey Guys,

For a successful eastern get together we need to emulate the logistics
of the Moab get together.  Four items need to be in close proximity:
1)Motels/campgrounds, 2)great riding places - including curving pavement
and fun off road, 3)a Kaw dealer willing to put up with us in exchange
for some business, and 4)a great organizer like Gino.

Let's hear some suggestions!
Here's mine:
1. East TN/west NC(Smokies)
2. West PA
3. North GA.

Bill Wright
Hotlanta, GA.
'98KLR650 - 6922 miles

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:01:34 -0500
From: Jim Barthell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) '95 vs '98 KLR...big differences?

Catron, Geoff wrote:

>   Do any of you KLR pros out there have any advice
> as to whether the '95 would be a good investment or should I just bite
> the bullet and go for the '98?

Big improvements were made in '96. I had a '95 and now have a '97. The
improvements were worth the money. On the otherhand if a kickstarter option
is a must have.... then that points you back to the '95

My $.02 worth

- --
Jim Barthell - TX

'97 'C-O-O-O-W'...asaki KiLleR 650
FSSNOC #2421

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:07:29
From: Robert Kaub <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Hand Grips

Morning All:
I've found the hand grips of my A12 too small in diameter and actually a
little short for me.  Also, the vibration bothers my hands after a very
short time, especially my right hand which starts to ache after about ten
minutes.  What to do?  Well, I bought a pair of Noj grip covers from Dennis
Kirk for about $10.00. Considering that they are just a square piece of
foam with some velcro along the edges, they're a little pricy.  But they
install easily, are removable and washable and fatten-up and lengthen the
grips nicely.  I like them.  They do make for a fat grip as they install
over the existing grips but I rather like the feel.
Still thinking of filling the handlebar with lead shot as the mirrors are
virtually useless due to vibration.  Thanks.
Bob Kaub
SUNY Binghamton
Watson School Student Shop
PO Box 6000
Binghamton, NY  13902
607-777-2715

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:15:21
From: Robert Kaub <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Great Ride?

Had to ride last night after an especially frustrating day at work.  Was a
beautiful clear, cold, windy day and I found some beautiful curvy, hilly
paved roads on which to unwind.
"WARNING WILL ROBINSON-ROADS COMPLETELY COVERED WITH FINE GRAVEL AND
SAND-ESPECIALLY THE CURVES."  So there I was riding along very carefully as
these roads were really nasty if you tried anything even slightly
aggressive.  Never saw anything like it.  It's still winter here in the
Northeast.  Shit! No, I didn't fall over.   Thanks.
Bob Kaub
SUNY Binghamton
Watson School Student Shop
PO Box 6000
Binghamton, NY  13902
607-777-2715

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:03:32 -0400
From: "Hamilton, Peter F" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) Great Ride?

> Had to ride last night after an especially frustrating day at work.  Was a
> beautiful clear, cold, windy day and I found some beautiful curvy, hilly
> paved roads on which to unwind.
> "WARNING WILL ROBINSON-ROADS COMPLETELY COVERED WITH FINE GRAVEL AND
> SAND-ESPECIALLY THE CURVES."  So there I was riding along very carefully
> as
> these roads were really nasty if you tried anything even slightly
> aggressive.  Never saw anything like it.  It's still winter here in the
> Northeast.  Shit! No, I didn't fall over.   Thanks.
>
>
Yup.  It's nasty out there in Central NY.  I ignored my danger signs a few
weekends ago and really opened up the VFR750.  Lowsided it on some sand and
gravel dumped on the apex of this truly difficult curve.  I was fine thanks
to the Aerostich, but I've got some plastic work in my future -- boy what a
pain in the ass -- my first street crash.

BTW, this crash occurred on an amazing road that I hadn't found called
Gaskill Rd, a left off of Day Hollow rd. maybe 4 miles (?) west of rt. 26.
Really sweet, but tricky as hell as I discovered the hard way.

Where are your favorite roads around here?  Any other listers from CNY area?

- --Pete

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:33:37 -0500
From: Jim Barthell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Hand Grips

Robert Kaub wrote:

> Still thinking of filling the handlebar with lead shot as the mirrors are
> virtually useless due to vibration.  Thanks.

I have been working with Mike at Dual Star for some time now adapting the
Throttlemeister to the KLR. As a Throttle lock, I think there are other designs
that work more efficiently. However, as a bar end weight. I believe it is the
single most effective thing a person can do to reduce, if not eliminate
perceived vibration through the bars. I don't know when they will be available
but they do work. I have replaced my bars with a K&N road bar from Dennis Kirk
and the grips are $4.95 Jonar grips. The only other mod is the Throttlemeister.
I am curious what level of interest there is in reducing handlebar vibration.
In case you missed it a couple months ago I posted these pictures showing
mirror vibration at various tach readings:

http://home.att.net/~jim.barthell/mirror.htm

Mike also suggested filling the bars with urethane. He said it works better
than shot but is permanent so I haven't tried it yet. Anyone else tried the
urethane trick yet?

- --
Jim Barthell - TX

'97 'C-O-O-O-W'...asaki KiLleR 650
FSSNOC #2421

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