> First ride since I put her back on the road, and the speedo cable
> broke. Question: Do I have to replace both the whole unit, or can I just
> replace the broken inner cable? Thanks in advance.
Gotta replace the whole assembly. Been there, done that. Twice
in two years.
- -Tom
'96 KLR 650
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:14:40 EST
From: Cloudhid <Cloudhid@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (klr650) ?KLR Detonation/Preignition/How the heck do you hear it?!?
>With all this discussion about d&p, how can one actually hear it over
>wind noise, unrestricted pipe, etc.?!? I can usually recognize it in a
>car, and I believe my hearing is still good, but when I'm riding, I
>can't even hear myself talking to myself, let alone anything else. Uh,
>strike that last comment - you get the picture.
>
>Mike
Mike, have your passenger, (sitting on the gas tank facing you)
use a stethoscope placed on the cylinder. Continue adding stress
to your engine until you are going 105 MPH up a steep grade.
At this point, if your she is still willing and hasn't heard any
pinging, you might want to also conduct a high speed braking test.
At least you could use sign language with her instead of talking
to yourself. (I'm sure she'll have some sign language of her own for you:-)
Please write back with any pertinent results.
Ron (watching from the side of the road)
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:26:47 -0500
From: "Michael Magnatta" <michael123@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: (klr650) ?KLR Detonation/Preignition/How the heck do you hear it?!?
It's 10:25 where I live, and I'm goin' to bed - good night.
Mike
- -----Original Message-----
From: Cloudhid <Cloudhid@aol.com>
To: klr650@lists.xmission.com <klr650@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 1998 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: (klr650) ?KLR Detonation/Preignition/How the heck do you
hear it?!?
>>With all this discussion about d&p, how can one actually hear it over
>>wind noise, unrestricted pipe, etc.?!? I can usually recognize it in a
>>car, and I believe my hearing is still good, but when I'm riding, I
>>can't even hear myself talking to myself, let alone anything else. Uh,
>>strike that last comment - you get the picture.
>>
>>Mike
>
>Mike, have your passenger, (sitting on the gas tank facing you)
>use a stethoscope placed on the cylinder. Continue adding stress
>to your engine until you are going 105 MPH up a steep grade.
>At this point, if your she is still willing and hasn't heard any
>pinging, you might want to also conduct a high speed braking test.
>
>At least you could use sign language with her instead of talking
>to yourself. (I'm sure she'll have some sign language of her own for
you:-)
>Please write back with any pertinent results.
>
>Ron (watching from the side of the road)
>
>
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:02:56 EST
From: Cloudhid <Cloudhid@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (klr650) ?KLR Detonation/Preignition/How the heck do you hear it?!?
>It's 10:25 where I live, and I'm goin' to bed - good night.
>
>Mike
Er....umm......I guess this means you weren't impressed with
my stethoscope idea. If you can't hear it, the only easy
ways I can think of right now to POSSIBLY tell if your engine
is knocking, would be a loss in perceptible power or an
unexplained higher than usual coolant temp, (not idling in
traffic at the beach, or cruising Death Valley in the summer).
Of course these symptoms could be indicative of other bummerz.
Ron (trying hard to behave himself)
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:29:52 EST
From: Cloudhid <Cloudhid@aol.com>
Subject: (klr650) blinky light thing
> Now the blinky light thing. I ride with a Camelback Mule hydration
>back pack, there is a loop on it for a blinky light thing. I bought one,
>a Cateye red LED light. Damn its bright. It sure does flash. Great for
>additional visibility...... but I wonder if it's going to freak the cops
>out. Does anyone have any experience with this?
>
> peace Morgan
Morgan, I've toyed with the idea of pulling the Cateye off
my mountain bike and putting it on the KLR. Let me know
whether or not the CHP or SDPD pulls you over.
Ron (as usual waiting for others to boldly go where I haven't)
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:47:13 EST
From: K650dsn <K650dsn@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Throttle lock...
In a message dated 98-03-24 11:55:21 EST, you write:
<< Gino, did you post the instructions on installing the
throttle lock? Or, are they in a certain issue of DSN? If,
it isn't in DSN could you take a moment and explain the how
to? >>
I didn't have room in the latest issue. But here is a brief explanation. Get
a NEP CC3 throttle lock -for dual cable yamaha. Ultimately, you will be
placing the throttle lock between the hand grip and the throttle housing, make
sure there is plenty of room. You will want to secure the tab on the bottom
of the throttle lock to the throttle housing. I did this by drilling and
tapping a small hole in the bottom of the throttle housing. I then drilled a
hole in the tab on the throttle lock. I inserted a spacer between the tab and
the housing to accomodate the gap, and then screwed the throttle lock to the
throttle housing tapped hole I made earlier. That's it. There are probably
other different ways to do it, but that's how I did mine.
Gino
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 03:42:12 EST
From: Cloudhid <Cloudhid@aol.com>
Subject: (klr650) PING-advice and dissent
In a message dated 3/24/98 4:15:32 PM, you wrote:(snip)
>So I should run a high octane, ensuring that carbon builds up in my
>engine, which in turn makes it so I _have_ to run high octane? Sounds
>like great advice to me. (snip)
>I too run 92 in my FZR, even though it should run on 86.
>I also run 89 in my KLR, even though it should run fine on 87.
Rick, sounds to me like you're already taking that great advice :-)
>I may start running 87 in the KLR just to see what happens.
>(I've got a spare motor sitting in the garage. :-) )
You're fortunate to have that luxury. Hope you'll pass on your findings.
Ron (wondering how long before I need another 651cc engine in my garage :-)
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 05:47:32 -0500
From: temsley@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: (klr650) PING-Detonation/Preignition
Rick,
Don't aircraft engines use high octane fuel (avgas) why is detonation
and preignition such a problem for them?
Todd
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 05:59:00 -0500
From: temsley@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: (klr650) Detonation/Preignition/How the heck do you hear it?!?
Mike,
During my jetting trials with my KLR I came face to face with this
beast called detonation. I also wondered if my motor would be down there
under the tank pinging away, calling for help, while I rode along 2 feet
above in the windstream with my customary smile. I found out that
pinging sounds like a ball peen hammer knocking on the cases. It is a
very sharp sound that travels well. I heard it easily. It is not a nice
sound so you won't have any problem letting off when you hear it. This
"light pinging" some people are looking for may be harder to detect but
there was no mistake when mine called out to me.
Running silent,
Todd
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:03:53 -0500
From: temsley@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: (klr650) re;oel and other stuff
Morgan,
Screw the cops, the light sounds like a great way to save your ass. My
wife was following me on my KLR last summer at night and said my dinky
taillight was almost invisible. Blink away young man!
Todd
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:06:03 -0500
From: temsley@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: (klr650) PING-PONG
Ron,
"In the mean time, I'll stay away from pinging,
while I await your 100,000 mile KLR rider report."
AMEN!
Mr. Safe,
Todd
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:24:57 -0600
From: Jim Barthell <Jim.Barthell@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: (klr650) klr cooling
Pokluda, Gino F wrote:
> So the rule is, keep your coolant in good shape, swap it out every two
> years...
I decided to go ahead and do this a little early. Funny thing, as I was
leafing through the service manual last night I noticed the KLR in the base
manual had 2 radiators a left and a right. When did they go to the single
radiator configuration. Maybe everyone is right and no one is incorrect...
the engineers did design a cool running KLR and maybe it, (the design), was
modified after it went to production. 65degrees this morning on the way to
work and it sure did run sweet ;-)
- --
Jim Barthell - TX
'97 'C-O-O-O-W'...asaki KiLleR 650
FSSNOC #2421
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:37:57 -0600
From: Jim Barthell <Jim.Barthell@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Oil level
RKJ38 wrote:
> Just saw a couple posts and read Mr. Carl's note about oil level. The
> direction seems to be (with the oil all drained down on level bike) that we
> want the oil above the top line? Gino says "above the glass", Mr. Carl says
> ADD 10 ounces if it's at the top line. Does anybody really know the
> relationship of the crank to oil level at these recommendations?
So far, in the checking I've been doing, both schools of thought may be correct.
The service manual says 2.5 liters. This is what Gino and Eldon seem to be doing.
On the other hand I took my bike into the dealer for the 10k mile service and got
it back with the oil at the top of the sight glass. I wrote Kawasaki but still
haven't heard back.
BTW, I had the dealer use Silkolene, fully synthetic pro-4 motorcycle oil. This
seems to be a good oil but it is too soon to tell. Shifting is very good though,
as with the other synthetics I've used. I've never had the guts to put automotive
oil in my bikes.
- --
Jim Barthell - TX
'97 'C-O-O-O-W'...asaki KiLleR 650
FSSNOC #2421
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:02:36 -0700
From: "Fred Hink" <moabmc@lasal.net>
Subject: (klr650) Kaw Luggage
Hey Group!
Gino wrote a great article on the Kawasaki soft luggage that is on the
KLR650 DSN web page. I will have several sets of the luggage at the rally
in Moab for you to look over, purchase, try out, etc. Hopefully I will be
able to beat the suggested dealers price. I guess while I am blowing my own
horn, for you that are interested, I will have tires -Gripsters, GP110s,
MT21s & Trailmax. I will have a bunch of magnetic drain plugs and the K&P
stainless steel oil filters, along with all the other garbage that all bike
shops usually have. Don't get your hopes up too much, my one man shop is
very small but I do stock most of the necessities.
I have a map on my web page that can help you find my shop in Moab. For
you that are keeping score - it was 86 here yesterday! See ya,
Fred Hink
moabmc@lasal.net
Arrowhead Motorsports
http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:32:06 -0600
From: Tim Royer <timroyer@txcyber.com>
Subject: Re: (klr650) junk
Hey Wes
Let me know how the ride to Big Bend goes. I was down there last summer
with my family and I told myself that the next time I went that it would
be on my KLR. I've got a map of the park that shows hundreds of miles of
jeep trails, but it's only open to street legal vehicles (read; no dirt
bikes). By the way if you up for any weekend rides up north of Houston
let me know.
Tim Royer (98 KLR Kaw-Thump, the back road bomber)
College Station, Texas
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:11:54
From: Robert Kaub <rkaub@binghamton.edu>
Subject: (klr650) Center Stand
Does anybody know how much Dual Star is charging for their KLR center stand
and how long the wait is? Thanks
Bob Kaub
SUNY Binghamton
Watson School Student Shop
PO Box 6000
Binghamton, NY 13902
607-777-2715
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:00:42 -0500
From: Bill Haycock <whaycoc@ibm.net>
Subject: (klr650) [Fwd: Chain Lube]
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Bob,
I'm going to forward your request for information to the KLR LIST as I'm
sure there are many different ways people handle chain lube now days.
For my own answer:
Since the chains are O-ring chains I don't personally think it is
necessary to lube them with heavy weight oil like we used to do regular
non O-ring chains. We are not trying to lube the links any longer, just
keeping the O-ring seals lubed and not dried out. Also, we are wanting
to keep a supply of lube on the chain links to prevent wear and rust.
So, what I use is a Parafilm chain lube - a wax substance that lubes the
O-rings, and lubes and protects the links. Advantage of the Parafilm
Wax lube is it does not sling off as much and mess up the rear wheel.
Any O-ring chain lube will work fine - a number are on the market.
don't have to over lube. What I do on the road is every day at the end
of the day (300 miles or so) I wipe the chain clean with either
WD40(this will get some comments I'm sure) or just a clean rag. Then I
lube with Parafilm or any other O-ring chain lube.
Others out there have suggestions?
Bill
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Bill:
I've always used 10W/30 motor oil, lubing after every ride. It works but
is really messy. The owner's manual recommends 90W gear lube. My bike has
an o-ring chain (I don't if older klr's had o-ring chains). Do you have
any recommendation for what lube works best? Thanks. Bob Kaub
Bob Kaub
SUNY Binghamton
Watson School Student Shop
PO Box 6000
Binghamton, NY 13902
607-777-2715
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:03:42 -0500
From: Kovach E <ekovach@carmichaels-area.k12.pa.us>
Subject: (klr650) Clearview Shield
Hey::
Just finished installing my clearview shield +4 with tint to match stock. But I have a problem the two screws that attach to the frame outside of the fairing no longer fit flush to the fairing with the windshield in place. So what did I do wrong? Help... Evan
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:21:04 -0500
From: Bill Haycock <whaycoc@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Center Stand
Robert Kaub wrote:
>
> Does anybody know how much Dual Star is charging for their KLR center stand
> and how long the wait is? Thanks
> Bob Kaub
> SUNY Binghamton
> Watson School Student Shop
> PO Box 6000
> Binghamton, NY 13902
> 607-777-2715
You can call them at;
Dual Star heavy Duty Center Stand
Phone 425-776-7433
They are behind in their delivery's but I understand they just got a new
shipment in - let us know what you find out.
I do know that 5 Star is about 35 orders behind for center stands! Just
emailed them today for latest update.
Bill
WebMaster-KLRDSN Page
PS: I just posted an article on cooling system service and flush on the
KLR Page if anyone is in need of information on cooling system service.
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:23:01 -0800
From: George Basinet <geobas@pop.slip.net>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Center Stand
Robert Kaub wrote:
>
> Does anybody know how much Dual Star is charging for their KLR center stand
> and how long the wait is? Thanks
> Bob Kaub
> SUNY Binghamton
> Watson School Student Shop
> PO Box 6000
> Binghamton, NY 13902
> 607-777-2715
Bob,
I waited almost a year. After many calls to Dual-Star and many promises
broken. I decided I never needed a stand that bad. I was quoted a price
of about $150.00. To Dual-Stars credit they did not deposit my credit
card.
George Basinet
San Jose,CA
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:30:21 -0800
From: Jean Philippe Bagel <jpbagel@microsoft.com>
Subject: (klr650) Any KLR Owners in Western WA?
Hi all,
I am looking for KLR owners in Western WA state (Seattle or Eastside) for
ride(s) recommendations and technical tips.
I am looking into replacing the stock windshield and I am totally undecided.
It'd be great if I could share experience(s) with WA riders.
Thanks in advance.
jpbagel@microsoft.com
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:47:12 -0600
From: mcpete@juno.com
Subject: Re: (klr650) Center Stand
My dealings with Dual Star were that I called in an order for a center
stand, they expected delivery within two weeks, three weeks or so after
calling, I had it. Installed very easily, had some of the best
instructions I have ever read, and is of high quality. With shipping, I
think it was around $160.00
I understand in their start-up phase they did experience some unexpected
set backs, and problems in the process of some of the manufacturing
steps. But they seem to have gotten those ironed out. I experienced
nothing but very positive dealings w/ them.
Now, it is a real bitch to put up on the stand, compared to my BMW's. I
mean we're talking almost hernia here. The KLR doesn't have convienent
grab handles. Maybe I use haven't learned the trick.
