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klr650-digest          Monday, March 23 1998          Volume 01 : Number 030




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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:29:08 -0500
From: Stuart Heaslet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Mobil 1...

Gino:


>>>>I realize this is close to talking about religion...<<<<

> It is.  So here is my testimonial. I was a firm believer in the God of
>traditional oil.  Then, one day, the heavens opend up and the Lord of Castrol
>Syntec spoke and I followed and have not looked back since.  Though I cruise
>through the valley of heat and dirt, I fear no evil because I have synthetic
>in my crankcase.  My shifts are smoother, my engine is quieter, and my
>disciple KLR650 thanks me everytime I start it.

Dunno what your day job is, but you really ought to kickstart your
publication and write more of this stuff.  <g>

Stuart

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:04:56 -0500
From: Cameron Cole <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) Question on setting the carb

What is the difference between the "performance" kit and the straight
"jet" kit from K&N asside from the 30-40 bucks?

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    Fred Hink [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Monday, March 23, 1998 8:01 AM
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    Re: (klr650) Question on setting the carb
>
> Pete,
>
>     There is no such thing as a perfect carburator.  Everything is a
> trade
> off.  It would be great if every engine started on the first lick cold
> or
> hot , made tons of horse power, got great fuel milage and never had a
> surge
> or miss.  My best explaination of what is going on in your engine is
> to
> think of it as an air pump.  The more air you move, the more power you
> can
> make.  Engines from the factory are jetted very lean to pass emission
> tests.
> To improve your power you can richen the mixture and suffer the loss
> in fuel
> milage.  Of course if you add a free flowing exhaust or air cleaner
> your air
> pump will move more air, so you will need larger jets to let in more
> fuel to
> go with the more air that you are pumping.
>     My experience is that jet kits are over priced for what you get.
> Priced
> about $50.  Any motorcycle shop should be able to help you find one.
> They
> will greatly improve the driveability of your bike but will increase
> your
> fuel consumption too.  Also I just checked with my distributer (TR)
> and they
> only have one more K&N jet kit for the KLRs in stock.  (Ron I've got
> yours.)
> What you get in your jet kit is a drill bit and a screw to take out
> the plug
> that lets you adjust your air screw and several jets to give you a
> range of
> adjustment.  I think there is a special spring for the slide too.  You
> can
> adjust your air screw yourself and imrove the starting and low speed
> mixture
> a lot.  There is also a needle in the kit that gets the mixture in the
> mid
> range closer and several main jets for high speed mixture.  The kit
> has
> other tips and full instructions.
>     It's not "rocket science" but you do have to be careful that
> everything
> stays clean and goes back together right.
> Fred Hink
> [e-mail]
> Arrowhead Motorsports
> http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter J McMahon <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> Date: Sunday, March 22, 1998 9:11 PM
> Subject: Re: (klr650) Question on setting the carb
>
>
> >What does installing the jet kit get you? Does power improve? What
> >happens to milage? Where does one get one of these kits and how much
> $?
> >
> >TIA
> >
> >Pete McMahon
> >
> >_____________________________________________________________________
> >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.
> >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com
> >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 07:28:29 -0700
From: "Fred Hink" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Question on setting the carb

Cameron,

    If you are asking the difference between the Stage 1,2 and the Stage 3
jet kits...  The stage 1 and 2 (which is the same kit) are for basically
stock engines with aftermarket pipe and air cleaner.  Stage 3 is for a
modified engine (cam & piston etc.)  Stage  3 also recomends taking off the
stock air box/filter and using a K&N individual air cleaner.  I don't see
that K&N sells a stage 3 kit for the KLR.  They sell the stage 1 kit $58.80
and the same kit with filter for $97.95. (you'll save a couple of bucks over
the individual parts.
Fred Hink
[e-mail]
Arrowhead Motorsports
http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html
- -----Original Message-----
From: Cameron Cole <[e-mail]>
To: '[e-mail]' <[e-mail]>
Date: Monday, March 23, 1998 7:12 AM
Subject: RE: (klr650) Question on setting the carb


>What is the difference between the "performance" kit and the straight
>"jet" kit from K&N asside from the 30-40 bucks?
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Fred Hink [SMTP:[e-mail]]
>> Sent: Monday, March 23, 1998 8:01 AM
>> To: [e-mail]
>> Subject: Re: (klr650) Question on setting the carb
>>
>> Pete,
>>
>>     There is no such thing as a perfect carburator.  Everything is a
>> trade
>> off.  It would be great if every engine started on the first lick cold
>> or
>> hot , made tons of horse power, got great fuel milage and never had a
>> surge
>> or miss.  My best explaination of what is going on in your engine is
>> to
>> think of it as an air pump.  The more air you move, the more power you
>> can
>> make.  Engines from the factory are jetted very lean to pass emission
>> tests.
>> To improve your power you can richen the mixture and suffer the loss
>> in fuel
>> milage.  Of course if you add a free flowing exhaust or air cleaner
>> your air
>> pump will move more air, so you will need larger jets to let in more
>> fuel to
>> go with the more air that you are pumping.
>>     My experience is that jet kits are over priced for what you get.
>> Priced
>> about $50.  Any motorcycle shop should be able to help you find one.
>> They
>> will greatly improve the driveability of your bike but will increase
>> your
>> fuel consumption too.  Also I just checked with my distributer (TR)
>> and they
>> only have one more K&N jet kit for the KLRs in stock.  (Ron I've got
>> yours.)
>> What you get in your jet kit is a drill bit and a screw to take out
>> the plug
>> that lets you adjust your air screw and several jets to give you a
>> range of
>> adjustment.  I think there is a special spring for the slide too.  You
>> can
>> adjust your air screw yourself and imrove the starting and low speed
>> mixture
>> a lot.  There is also a needle in the kit that gets the mixture in the
>> mid
>> range closer and several main jets for high speed mixture.  The kit
>> has
>> other tips and full instructions.
>>     It's not "rocket science" but you do have to be careful that
>> everything
>> stays clean and goes back together right.
>> Fred Hink
>> [e-mail]
>> Arrowhead Motorsports
>> http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peter J McMahon <[e-mail]>
>> To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>> Date: Sunday, March 22, 1998 9:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: (klr650) Question on setting the carb
>>
>>
>> >What does installing the jet kit get you? Does power improve? What
>> >happens to milage? Where does one get one of these kits and how much
>> $?
>> >
>> >TIA
>> >
>> >Pete McMahon
>> >
>> >_____________________________________________________________________
>> >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.
>> >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com
>> >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:35:05 -0500
From: Cameron Cole <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) Question on setting the carb

They are both stage 1 kits.  The K&N model numbers are 23-9192 for the
performance and 81-9192 for only the kit.  My guess is that K&N calls
the performance kit the jet with filter.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    Fred Hink [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Monday, March 23, 1998 9:28 AM
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    Re: (klr650) Question on setting the carb
>
> Cameron,
>
>     If you are asking the difference between the Stage 1,2 and the
> Stage 3
> jet kits...  The stage 1 and 2 (which is the same kit) are for
> basically
> stock engines with aftermarket pipe and air cleaner.  Stage 3 is for a
> modified engine (cam & piston etc.)  Stage  3 also recomends taking
> off the
> stock air box/filter and using a K&N individual air cleaner.  I don't
> see
> that K&N sells a stage 3 kit for the KLR.  They sell the stage 1 kit
> $58.80
> and the same kit with filter for $97.95. (you'll save a couple of
> bucks over
> the individual parts.
> Fred Hink
> [e-mail]
> Arrowhead Motorsports
> http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cameron Cole <[e-mail]>
> To: '[e-mail]' <[e-mail]>
> Date: Monday, March 23, 1998 7:12 AM
> Subject: RE: (klr650) Question on setting the carb
>
>
> >What is the difference between the "performance" kit and the straight
> >"jet" kit from K&N asside from the 30-40 bucks?
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Fred Hink [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> >> Sent: Monday, March 23, 1998 8:01 AM
> >> To: [e-mail]
> >> Subject: Re: (klr650) Question on setting the carb
> >>
> >> Pete,
> >>
> >>     There is no such thing as a perfect carburator.  Everything is
> a
> >> trade
> >> off.  It would be great if every engine started on the first lick
> cold
> >> or
> >> hot , made tons of horse power, got great fuel milage and never had
> a
> >> surge
> >> or miss.  My best explaination of what is going on in your engine
> is
> >> to
> >> think of it as an air pump.  The more air you move, the more power
> you
> >> can
> >> make.  Engines from the factory are jetted very lean to pass
> emission
> >> tests.
> >> To improve your power you can richen the mixture and suffer the
> loss
> >> in fuel
> >> milage.  Of course if you add a free flowing exhaust or air cleaner
> >> your air
> >> pump will move more air, so you will need larger jets to let in
> more
> >> fuel to
> >> go with the more air that you are pumping.
> >>     My experience is that jet kits are over priced for what you
> get.
> >> Priced
> >> about $50.  Any motorcycle shop should be able to help you find
> one.
> >> They
> >> will greatly improve the driveability of your bike but will
> increase
> >> your
> >> fuel consumption too.  Also I just checked with my distributer (TR)
> >> and they
> >> only have one more K&N jet kit for the KLRs in stock.  (Ron I've
> got
> >> yours.)
> >> What you get in your jet kit is a drill bit and a screw to take out
> >> the plug
> >> that lets you adjust your air screw and several jets to give you a
> >> range of
> >> adjustment.  I think there is a special spring for the slide too.
> You
> >> can
> >> adjust your air screw yourself and imrove the starting and low
> speed
> >> mixture
> >> a lot.  There is also a needle in the kit that gets the mixture in
> the
> >> mid
> >> range closer and several main jets for high speed mixture.  The kit
> >> has
> >> other tips and full instructions.
> >>     It's not "rocket science" but you do have to be careful that
> >> everything
> >> stays clean and goes back together right.
> >> Fred Hink
> >> [e-mail]
> >> Arrowhead Motorsports
> >> http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Peter J McMahon <[e-mail]>
> >> To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> >> Date: Sunday, March 22, 1998 9:11 PM
> >> Subject: Re: (klr650) Question on setting the carb
> >>
> >>
> >> >What does installing the jet kit get you? Does power improve? What
> >> >happens to milage? Where does one get one of these kits and how
> much
> >> $?
> >> >
> >> >TIA
> >> >
> >> >Pete McMahon
> >> >
> >>
> >_____________________________________________________________________
> >> >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.
> >> >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com
> >> >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 07:49:32 -0700
From: "Fred Hink" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Question on setting the carb

81-9192 is just the jet kit & 23-9192 is the jet kit with the filter.  So
Ya, you are right.
Fred Hink
[e-mail]
Arrowhead Motorsports
http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html

>They are both stage 1 kits.  The K&N model numbers are 23-9192 for the
>performance and 81-9192 for only the kit.  My guess is that K&N calls
>the performance kit the jet with filter.

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:04:15 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) RE:  Oils

   Gino wrote:>>>>
    My shifts are smoother, my engine is quieter, and my
   disciple KLR650 thanks me everytime I start it.
   <<<<<<

   After using Castrol GTX the past 20 years, I also tried the Castrol
   Syntec in my KLR.  The bike has never shifted so smoothly.  I think that
   normal oil fine; I never here of an oil related engine problem on this
   list or any other for that manner.  Regular oil is fine, but the bike is
   smoother with the Syntec.

   I sold on it.

   Pat

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:15:16 -0600
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) Mexico gas

 > What was your
>experience in Mexico with any lower grade fuels?
>
>Stuart
>
>
The gas in Mexico is as good as any in the states, IMHO. Comes in two
grades; "regular" and "premium". I ran the regular and never experienced
any pinging. Although the gas is a little more expensive, it is not any
more than what I have paid in out of the way places in Texas, Colo., or
Alaska.

All the stations of course are Pemex, owned by the Mexican govt, as the
gas and oil industry in Mexico is nationalized. Stations are everywhere
and in the last few years many very modern ones have been built, complete
w/ American style "convenient stores"

I cannot speak for any places in Central America. Maybe someone else on
the list can.

Pete McMahon

_____________________________________________________________________
You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.
Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com
Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:16:03 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) RE:  weather.....

just wanted all of you back east and other
horrible areas of the country to know that
I went riding yesterday, and it was 87
degrees out, today it is supposed to get
up to 93.
jeff

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:13:13 -0500
From: Cameron Cole <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) RE:  weather.....

Actually GA people are in the 60s-70s this week.  Ahhh, just right.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    [e-mail] [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Monday, March 23, 1998 11:16 AM
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    Re: (klr650) RE:  weather.....
>
> just wanted all of you back east and other
> horrible areas of the country to know that
> I went riding yesterday, and it was 87
> degrees out, today it is supposed to get
> up to 93.
> jeff

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 13:17:49 EST
From: Rcklr <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) RE:  weather.....

Hey, we're supposed to hit the 50's here in Minnesota this week.  Maybe I can
quit whining and get on the scoot soon.... Then I suppose we'll start
complaining about the heat,  and overheating problems? :->

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:39:15
From: Robert Kaub <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) New Bike

Hello Fellow List-persons:
Just got a new KLR650 and would appreciate any special ideas or insights
from the readership.  I know I need a center stand and bigger windshield.
Bob Kaub
SUNY Binghamton
Watson School Student Shop
PO Box 6000
Binghamton, NY  13902
607-777-2715

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:58:09 -0700
From: Kurt Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) New Bike

Robert Kaub wrote:
>
> Hello Fellow List-persons:
> Just got a new KLR650 and would appreciate any special ideas or insights
> from the readership.  I know I need a center stand and bigger windshield.
> Bob Kaub
> SUNY Binghamton
> Watson School Student Shop
> PO Box 6000
> Binghamton, NY  13902
> 607-777-2715

Welcome Robert, you might start by visiting our archives and
browsing to your heart's content:

http://www.xmission.com/~dkenison/cgi/lwgate.cgi/KLR650/archives/

Also, visit the KLR650 website and subscribe to the Dual
Sport news. BAck issues are available and make excellent
reading.

Kurt

BTW, there is the matter of initiation rites...

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:16:34 -0500
From: Cameron Cole <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) New Bike

The bash plate ($50), IMS shift lever ($50), and hand guards($30) are a
must for light to serious off road riding.  The water pump is out there
with little to no protection from rocks.  The stock shift lever really
is wimpy and those stock hand shields are good for breaking the wind
only.  Seriously, I had mine for a weekend and laid it over.  Glad I had
some protective gear.  The disc protector is a nice add-on, but not a
must ($30).

For commuting, the Kawasaki Luggage is great.  I only purchased the tank
and tail bags since I don't go on extended rides ($100).  A cargo net is
handy as well ($10).  The only other equipment I recommend is the K&N
air filter ($25), but you will do fine without it.  If you go with
saddle bags make sure you get the side rails.  They look nice and are
very functional from what I understand ($??).

Some nice add-ons.  The Pro-Grip gel grips are comfy ($8).  I haven't
replaced it yet, but the stock seat has to go ($150-$300).  I have
decided to re-jet($50) and exchange the exhaust($200) at the 1,500 mile
mark.  Doesn't need it, but really wants it.

Get some tools if you don't have them yet.  Socket set, screwdriver set,
adjustable wrench, and an allan wrench set ($100 for the lot with
toolbox at Sears).

The prices are estimated, but should be close.  Cameron, 389 miles.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    Robert Kaub [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Monday, March 23, 1998 9:39 AM
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    (klr650) New Bike
>
> Hello Fellow List-persons:
> Just got a new KLR650 and would appreciate any special ideas or
> insights
> from the readership.  I know I need a center stand and bigger
> windshield.
> Bob Kaub
> SUNY Binghamton
> Watson School Student Shop
> PO Box 6000
> Binghamton, NY  13902
> 607-777-2715

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:23:27 -0500
From: "Hamilton, Peter F" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) New Bike

Robert Kaub wrote:
>
> Hello Fellow List-persons:
> Just got a new KLR650 and would appreciate any special ideas or
insights
> from the readership.  I know I need a center stand and bigger
windshield.
> Bob Kaub
> SUNY Binghamton
> Watson School Student Shop
> PO Box 6000
> Binghamton, NY  13902
> 607-777-2715

Hey!  I'm in Binghamton as well, work at Lockheed Martin Control Systems
in Johnson City.  Also new to the list, I've had an '88 KLR650 for a
while now.  I was thinking of selling it for a longer range bike, but I
happened on an '86 VFR750 for an irresistible price low enough that I
could keep it.  I find it's perfect for the bumpy dirty twisty country
roads all over the area.

Mine's got 23k on it now, and I'm contemplating some major changes to
make it the ultimate Central NY bike:

1. Send engine off to Steve Kesselring of Quality Engine R&D (334)
677-1708  ($1800 if d.i.y. or $3300 - yikes!)
    - engine rebuild
    - bored to 750cc
    - head porting and polishing
    - oil flow job, other misc. improvements
2. Race tech gold valves in front ($140)
3. Race tech rear shock rebuild/revalve ($250)
4. Braking oversized front brake rotor ($250)
5. Less restrictive muffler ($???)

Probably throw some Avon Gripsters on it for normal use.

What do you all think of this plan?  Anyone got any suggestions for less
pricey engine work or big bore kits?  Everything else is fairly
affordable, but that one's a doozy.  I've recently discovered that I've
got an almost shot countershaft sprocket, so I'll have to split the
cases anyway -- that's how all this evil got started...

- --Pete

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:03:39 -0600
From: "Jim & Melissa Sherlock" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: (klr650) Fuel Octane?

I've been told not to use oil additives. The slick stuff that is supposed to
be good for engine wear also affects your clutch. You may experience clutch
slippage if you use an additive. The clutch plates function on the friction
principle, if you remove that friction, or reduce it, you reduce the
effectiveness of your clutch. For bikes that run separate engine oil and
case oil, I guess this would be OK. But for bikes that share oil between
engine and transmission, friction reducing additives should be avoided like
the plague...so I am told.

Jim Sherlock
- -----Original Message-----
From: Cameron Scott Cole <[e-mail]>
To: '[e-mail]' <[e-mail]>
Date: Sunday, March 22, 1998 8:58 PM
Subject: RE: Re: (klr650) Fuel Octane?


>If you KNOW your oil is optimized at some level for your bike, it just
>gives you a little piece of mind.  You can't place a value on peace of
>mind.  Thanks for the info, I think my next oil change will be the same.
>
>One more question on this subject, does anyone use any of that teflon (or
>similar substance) treated oil?  What are the ramifications of using it in
>an engine?
>
>Cameron.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim & Melissa Sherlock [SMTP:[e-mail]]
>Sent: Sunday, March 22, 1998 9:29 PM
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: Re: (klr650) Fuel Octane?
>
>I am currently using Motul 15W-50. It costs a little more, and its value is
>subjective.
>
>Jim Sherlock
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Cameron Scott Cole <[e-mail]>
>To: '[e-mail]' <[e-mail]>
>Date: Sunday, March 22, 1998 9:50 AM
>Subject: RE: Re: (klr650) Fuel Octane?
>
>
>>Here is a few tidbits of knowledge Consumer Reports wrote last year about
>>gas and oil.  Note this was referring to cars not motorcycles.
>>
>>There really is only a slight performance gain from using 92 octane in
>most
>>engines.  Also, it is the least purchased gas.  This usually presents no
>>problems, however in many station gas tanks it can lead to water in their
>>tanks.  Consumer reports also found that only 70-80 percent of the 92
>>octane was indeed 92 octane.  Several stations replaced 89 and 92 octane
>>with 87 octane.  This being said I prefer 92 octane at busy gas stations.
>>
>>On the subject of oil.  Manufacturers and service stations tell you to
>>switch out your oil every 3000 or so miles with high grade oil.  Consumer
>>reports found that you should change your oil between 8000-10000 miles.
>> The oil doesn't start to degrade until 12,000 miles.  In addition, oil is
>>at the height of performance at 6,000 miles.  After testing generic, name,
>>and performance brand oils they could find NO significant difference.
> This
>>doesn't mean that synthetic performs the same, just that between the
>>synthetic name brand oils there is no perceived difference.
>>
>>I can dig up the specific articles for everyone if they like.  I don't
>know
>>how this translates to the KLR, but I am sure it has an impact.  What oil
>>weight does everyone here use?
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: RKJ38 [SMTP:[e-mail]]
>>Sent: Saturday, March 21, 1998 5:42 PM
>>To: [e-mail]
>>Subject: Re:  Re: (klr650) Fuel Octane?
>>
>>Stuart,  I am clearly not a fuels expert, but we're all pretty certain
>that
>>the higher grade pump stuff has more detergent additives (probably good
>for
>>carbs like these with float bowls and tiny pilot circuit passages).    Bob
>>
>>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:17:10 EST
From: Cloudhid <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Relative Weather SKLR

In a message dated 98-03-23 13:19:58 EST, you write:
<< Hey, we're supposed to hit the 50's here in Minnesota this week.  Maybe I
can
 quit whining and get on the scoot soon.... Then I suppose we'll start
 complaining about the heat,  and overheating problems? :->
  >>

Brothers of the North Country be of good cheer.
Remember that cold air is denser than warm air.
So while I was cruising around in 90F temp here today,
You were cranking out 10 more hp than me.

Ron (begrudginglly trading hp for a frostbite free existance:-)

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:52:06 -0500
From: Bill Haycock <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Mexico gas

[e-mail] wrote:
>
>  > What was your
> >experience in Mexico with any lower grade fuels?
> >
> >Stuart
> >
> >
> The gas in Mexico is as good as any in the states, IMHO. Comes in two
> grades; "regular" and "premium". I ran the regular and never experienced
> any pinging. Although the gas is a little more expensive, it is not any
> more than what I have paid in out of the way places in Texas, Colo., or
> Alaska.

The regular you want to use is called "Sin Magma" (unleaded) - is about
87 octane I believe.  I use it all the time in the KLR and never any
problems with it.

Many of the newer stations are now selling Premium - about 92 octane I
guess!! Costs more and at times I will put in a tank but can't really
tell any difference.

Be careful not to put in diesel by accident!  many older stations have
the hose and pump with wrong markings (due to many repairs and hose
swapping) Normally not a problem - just be aware of it!
>
> All the stations of course are Pemex, owned by the Mexican govt, as the
> gas and oil industry in Mexico is nationalized. Stations are everywhere
> and in the last few years many very modern ones have been built, complete
> w/ American style "convenient stores"
>
> I cannot speak for any places in Central America. Maybe someone else on
> the list can.

Gas in Guatemala, Honduras, and Belize are all available unleaded and at
least 85 octane.  Have used them all and never any problems for the
KLR.  The three just mentioned are expensive compared to Mexico.  Belize
ran about $4.50 a gallon!


Bill Haycock

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:36:39 -0500
From: Bill Haycock <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) New Bike

Robert Kaub wrote:
>
> Hello Fellow List-persons:
> Just got a new KLR650 and would appreciate any special ideas or insights
> from the readership.  I know I need a center stand and bigger windshield.
> Bob Kaub
> SUNY Binghamton
> Watson School Student Shop
> PO Box 6000
> Binghamton, NY  13902
> 607-777-2715

I like the Clearview +4 windshield and the Dual Star center Stand

Check out the "Anatomy of a KLR Page" on the KLR Web Site for details
and phone numbers

Bill

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:38:15 -0500
From: Bill Haycock <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) New Bike

Cameron Cole wrote:
>
> The bash plate ($50), IMS shift lever ($50), and hand guards($30) are a
> must for light to serious off road riding.  The water pump is out there
> with little to no protection from rocks.  The stock shift lever really
> is wimpy and those stock hand shields are good for breaking the wind
> only.  Seriously, I had mine for a weekend and laid it over.  Glad I had
> some protective gear.  The disc protector is a nice add-on, but not a
> must ($30).
>
> For commuting, the Kawasaki Luggage is great.  I only purchased the tank
> and tail bags since I don't go on extended rides ($100).  A cargo net is
> handy as well ($10).  The only other equipment I recommend is the K&N
> air filter ($25), but you will do fine without it.  If you go with
> saddle bags make sure you get the side rails.  They look nice and are
> very functional from what I understand ($??).
>
> Some nice add-ons.  The Pro-Grip gel grips are comfy ($8).  I haven't
> replaced it yet, but the stock seat has to go ($150-$300).  I have
> decided to re-jet($50) and exchange the exhaust($200) at the 1,500 mile
> mark.  Doesn't need it, but really wants it.
>
> Get some tools if you don't have them yet.  Socket set, screwdriver set,
> adjustable wrench, and an allan wrench set ($100 for the lot with
> toolbox at Sears).
>
> The prices are estimated, but should be close.  Cameron, 389 miles.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robert Kaub [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> > Sent: Monday, March 23, 1998 9:39 AM
> > To:   [e-mail]
> > Subject:      (klr650) New Bike
> >
> > Hello Fellow List-persons:
> > Just got a new KLR650 and would appreciate any special ideas or
> > insights
> > from the readership.  I know I need a center stand and bigger
> > windshield.
> > Bob Kaub
> > SUNY Binghamton
> > Watson School Student Shop
> > PO Box 6000
> > Binghamton, NY  13902
> > 607-777-2715

Check the "Anatomy of a KLR" on the KLR Page for all the prices, phone
numbers, Etc for the above items and more

Bill

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:38:55 EST
From: Rcklr <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: (klr650) New Bike

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Pete,
I'm confused, why split the cases for a counter-shaft sprocket?  If the shaft
is bad, you're correct but the sprocket is easily replaced.  Maybe someone
already talked to you about this......

Ron in MN.

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:23:27 -0500
From: "Hamilton, Peter F" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) New Bike
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Robert Kaub wrote:
>
> Hello Fellow List-persons:
> Just got a new KLR650 and would appreciate any special ideas or
insights
> from the readership.  I know I need a center stand and bigger
windshield.
> Bob Kaub
> SUNY Binghamton
> Watson School Student Shop
> PO Box 6000
> Binghamton, NY  13902
> 607-777-2715

Hey!  I'm in Binghamton as well, work at Lockheed Martin Control Systems
in Johnson City.  Also new to the list, I've had an '88 KLR650 for a
while now.  I was thinking of selling it for a longer range bike, but I
happened on an '86 VFR750 for an irresistible price low enough that I
could keep it.  I find it's perfect for the bumpy dirty twisty country
roads all over the area.

Mine's got 23k on it now, and I'm contemplating some major changes to
make it the ultimate Central NY bike:

1. Send engine off to Steve Kesselring of Quality Engine R&D (334)
677-1708  ($1800 if d.i.y. or $3300 - yikes!)
    - engine rebuild
    - bored to 750cc
    - head porting and polishing
    - oil flow job, other misc. improvements
2. Race tech gold valves in front ($140)
3. Race tech rear shock rebuild/revalve ($250)
4. Braking oversized front brake rotor ($250)
5. Less restrictive muffler ($???)

Probably throw some Avon Gripsters on it for normal use.

What do you all think of this plan?  Anyone got any suggestions for less
pricey engine work or big bore kits?  Everything else is fairly
affordable, but that one's a doozy.  I've recently discovered that I've
got an almost shot countershaft sprocket, so I'll have to split the
cases anyway -- that's how all this evil got started...

- --Pete


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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:48:44 -0500
From: "Michael Magnatta" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) While we're on the subject of gas...

Last summer my klr died and was stored without winter preparation until
about a month ago. I fixed the problem, drained the tank and bowl,
filled it with premium and in about 30 seconds had it running great. I
need to know if I should throw in a can of a fuel additive to de-gum the
works (as expected, the old gas became varnish-like in nature), or
should I just let sleeping dogs be. Thanks in advance. Oh yeah, has
anyone modified in any way the idle mixture screw set-up? It is well
hidden, and I burn the heck out of hands trying to adjust the idle
mixture. Thanks again.

Mike Magnatta

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:58:16 -0500
From: "Hamilton, Peter F" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (klr650) New Bike

> Pete,
> I'm confused, why split the cases for a counter-shaft sprocket?  If
> the shaft
> is bad, you're correct but the sprocket is easily replaced.  Maybe
> someone
> already talked to you about this......
>
I'm sorry -- of course you don't need to split cases to swap the
countershaft sprocket... what a maintenance bummer that'd be!  I meant
the countershaft *spline* is screwed up -- somebody before me used an
inferior sprocket, which was too loose, and the rocking back and forth
has worn the teeth of the spline down to the point where I'm worried
I'll strip it doing a wheelie!

- --Pete

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:56:41 -0600
From: Patrick Brand <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) junk

If I were thinking about buying a KLR and followed this list
for a month or so, I would be looking for something else.The KLR
would appear to be a bare bones piece of junk. Once you buy
it virtually everything on it should be replaced just as soon as
possible! It would be interesting to take the dealers price,
say 4600, the 3000 overhaul, tires, windshield, center stand
etc. etc.etc. and see the price of the finished piece.Let's say
you paid a dealer to do all this before you took delivery....
How much?
So for anyone just having bought a KLR, box stock is just fine!

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:04:59 EST
From: Cloudhid <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  (klr650) junk SKLR

Well I did have to break down and buy a battery tender!

Ron (counting his blessings and his change)
==============================================
>If I were thinking about buying a KLR and followed this list
>for a month or so, I would be looking for something else.The KLR
>would appear to be a bare bones piece of junk. Once you buy
>it virtually everything on it should be replaced just as soon as
>possible! It would be interesting to take the dealers price,
>say 4600, the 3000 overhaul, tires, windshield, center stand
>etc. etc.etc. and see the price of the finished piece.Let's say
>you paid a dealer to do all this before you took delivery....
>How much?
>So for anyone just having bought a KLR, box stock is just fine!

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:19:06 -0600
From: Chuck McCullough <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) junk

Patrick Brand wrote:
>
> If I were thinking about buying a KLR and followed this list
> for a month or so, I would be looking for something else.The KLR
> would appear to be a bare bones piece of junk. Once you buy
> it virtually everything on it should be replaced just as soon as
> possible! It would be interesting to take the dealers price,
> say 4600, the 3000 overhaul, tires, windshield, center stand
> etc. etc.etc. and see the price of the finished piece.Let's say
> you paid a dealer to do all this before you took delivery....
> How much?
> So for anyone just having bought a KLR, box stock is just fine!

Patrick raises some good points.   I agree that a "newbie" could
conclude that the klr is junk and needs mega-mods.

However, lists like this are normally populated by devotees, advocates,
etc., not by the more casual users.  The majority of posters are clearly
pushing the envelope for this bike.

New lurkers should take this all with a grain of salt.  I'm fairly
conservative on 2 wheels, & am completely happy with the stock klr.
But, this group gives me many pointers on routine maintenance, as well
as tips on upgrades, IF I decide they would be useful.  I suggest that
we all ride for a while, then decide.  Klrs are affordable,
multi-purpose machines.  They are not perfect (probably).

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:19:16 EST
From: MacGhuairi <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) junk

As you have just stated!!  Stock is working just fine for me and my '98 KLR.

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:20:16 EST
From: Nate9K9 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) 89 KLR650 For Sale

Howdy

The better half says I can have a new KLR if I sell the old one.   This 1989
KLR650  is in very good condition, with less than 14K miles.  It has a rifle
windshield, lowering links, Supertrap (external disk) pipe, a good front tire
and fairly new rear tire, and a new chain.  The rear shock has been rebuilt.
Why am I selling it, cause I want a new one.   What is the price you ask,
$1800   It is located in Yorktown Virginia.  I would be willing to transport a
reasonable distance.  I can even email you pictures of it, if your interested.

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