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From: Terry L Jeffress <[e-mail]>
Subject: [irr-ed] Winter issue deadline
Date: 27 Nov 2001 01:26:08 -0700

Hello, Irreantum editors. This is your reminder that finalized text for the
winter issue is due on December 15th.

The autumn issue is quite far behind schedule but will be out very soon,
hopefully no later than winter solstice so technically it will still be the
autumn issue. I am still committed to getting us back on schedule.

We ended up devoting the entire issue to Eugene England, with none of our
other material. As a result, anything you sent for autumn was not included.

On our cover we will have Brady Udall, with an interview (already in hand)
and a chapter or two excerpted from his recent _Edgar Mint_.

For Jana and Marny, you will have to compress two issues of reviews and
AML-List Highlights into one issue. (The same is also true for me on the
Mormon Literary News department I put together.) I don't mind if you submit
a little bit more than you usually would for one issue, but please don't
pile two full issues of material on us. I will delete the file you
originally sent for autumn and await a fresh, new file with any changes,
additions, or deletions for the winter issue.

Tory, for your department I have the following:
Companions, by Darlene Young
Who Needs Salt Lake? by Bill Caudle
[It would be nice to have 1-2 more fiction pieces]

Todd, for your "essay" or "nonfiction" department I have:
My Innisfree, Camille Traveller Bell
[It would be nice to also get a piece of literary
criticism/reportage/analysis for the winter issue. I think we should strive
to have at least one piece of memoir/creative nonfiction and one literary
criticism/reportage/analysis essay in each issue. I still think we should
have one editor dedicated to memoir/creative nonfiction and another editor
dedicated to literary criticism/reportage/analysis. I know you, me, and
Gideon have chatted about this, but the division of labor and responsibility
remains quite nebulous in my mind, and I don't think the magazine is
handling the nonfiction area well yet.]

Please keep in touch and let me know of any problems and concerns ASAP.
Otherwise I will assume you are on target for the deadline. I apologize for
the autumn situation, but it was a special circumstance and quite worthwhile
to do what we did (I should say what Gideon did, since he put the whole
thing together).

Actually, at this point even just a little e-mail of "Yes, I'm still here
and got your message" would be great from everybody. Thanks!

Chris Bigelow

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From: "jana" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [irr-ed] Winter issue deadline
Date: 27 Nov 2001 08:25:58 -0800

I'm still here, got your message....
Jana



> Hello, Irreantum editors. This is your reminder that finalized text for
the
> winter issue is due on December 15th.
>
> The autumn issue is quite far behind schedule but will be out very soon,
> hopefully no later than winter solstice so technically it will still be
the
> autumn issue. I am still committed to getting us back on schedule.
>
> We ended up devoting the entire issue to Eugene England, with none of our
> other material. As a result, anything you sent for autumn was not
included.
>
> On our cover we will have Brady Udall, with an interview (already in hand)
> and a chapter or two excerpted from his recent _Edgar Mint_.
>
> For Jana and Marny, you will have to compress two issues of reviews and
> AML-List Highlights into one issue. (The same is also true for me on the
> Mormon Literary News department I put together.) I don't mind if you
submit
> a little bit more than you usually would for one issue, but please don't
> pile two full issues of material on us. I will delete the file you
> originally sent for autumn and await a fresh, new file with any changes,
> additions, or deletions for the winter issue.
>
> Tory, for your department I have the following:
> Companions, by Darlene Young
> Who Needs Salt Lake? by Bill Caudle
> [It would be nice to have 1-2 more fiction pieces]
>
> Todd, for your "essay" or "nonfiction" department I have:
> My Innisfree, Camille Traveller Bell
> [It would be nice to also get a piece of literary
> criticism/reportage/analysis for the winter issue. I think we should
strive
> to have at least one piece of memoir/creative nonfiction and one literary
> criticism/reportage/analysis essay in each issue. I still think we should
> have one editor dedicated to memoir/creative nonfiction and another editor
> dedicated to literary criticism/reportage/analysis. I know you, me, and
> Gideon have chatted about this, but the division of labor and
responsibility
> remains quite nebulous in my mind, and I don't think the magazine is
> handling the nonfiction area well yet.]
>
> Please keep in touch and let me know of any problems and concerns ASAP.
> Otherwise I will assume you are on target for the deadline. I apologize
for
> the autumn situation, but it was a special circumstance and quite
worthwhile
> to do what we did (I should say what Gideon did, since he put the whole
> thing together).
>
> Actually, at this point even just a little e-mail of "Yes, I'm still here
> and got your message" would be great from everybody. Thanks!
>
> Chris Bigelow
>
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From: "Todd Petersen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [irr-ed] Winter issue deadline
Date: 27 Nov 2001 10:30:26 -0700

Chris, et al.

I got the message and I agree with you about the division of labor. My
tendancy would be to divide things along the following lines:

Gideon: criticism
Todd: memoir

I'm really a creative writer and Gideon is a literary scholar/critic,
so that division seems to make a bit more sense to me, though we could
alternate.  I'm sure Gideon and I could discuss this on the side.

Those of you who have been on the list lately will be aware of what I'd
like to propose for additions to the non-fiction for this issue.

I'd like to have Chris B. and Scott Parkin submit their long and
excellent posts on the chagrins of being LDS writers as essays this time
around. I think that they are both important for Mormon letters.

I'd like you all to let me know what you think about this. If I get a
thumbs up, I'll put it to those people independantly and then edit the
essays as if they had come over the transom (although they'd already
have some measure of approval already).

Also what happened with any revisions from that Alan Mitchell
"jerimiad" on hooking up with Dutcher?
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From: "Christopher Bigelow" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [irr-ed] Winter issue deadline
Date: 28 Nov 2001 09:19:39 -0700

Responding to Todd:

<<<
I got the message and I agree with you about the division of labor. My
tendancy would be to divide things along the following lines:

Gideon: criticism
Todd: memoir

I'm really a creative writer and Gideon is a literary scholar/critic,
so that division seems to make a bit more sense to me, though we could
alternate.  I'm sure Gideon and I could discuss this on the side.>>>

Well, I think Gideon is mostly interested in memoir as well, so I guess =
we'll leave things as they are for now. Maybe what we need is a new person =
focused on literary essays, someone who's interested in thinking of new =
ways to approach the subject and in actively wooing prospective authors =
with article assignments. Or maybe this is what the AML annual already =
does, I don't know. It just seems we need someone actively thinking, OK, =
here's an interesting way to survey or compare or analyze such-and-such an =
aspect of Mormon lit, and here's the person to do it. (At one time we also =
talked about mining past annual issues for articles to reprint.)=20

<<<Those of you who have been on the list lately will be aware of what I'd
like to propose for additions to the non-fiction for this issue.

I'd like to have Chris B. and Scott Parkin submit their long and
excellent posts on the chagrins of being LDS writers as essays this time
around. I think that they are both important for Mormon letters.>>>

I wouldn't be comfortable putting my post in Irreantum. I already suffered =
enough chagrin realizing I put it on AML-List and hearing things like my =
old coworkers at the Ensign thinking I'm suicidal. Maybe I will rework it =
into a personal essay sometime. But Scott's piece was a fascinating, =
mature-sounding bit of literary memoir, so go for him.

<<<Also what happened with any revisions from that Alan Mitchell
"jerimiad" on hooking up with Dutcher?>>>

Is someone working with him? I don't recall what the agreement was. It =
might make an interesting companion piece with Parkin's lament.


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From: Gideon Burton <[e-mail]>
Subject: [irr-ed] Division of labor
Date: 28 Nov 2001 10:23:23 -0700

On division of labor, I don't see a problem in both Todd and I looking
at personal essays/memoir. I really do want to launch a Life Writing
section of Irreantum and actively build our creative nonfiction. Of
course I hope to work with Todd on that. (By the way, I have some great
leads on several personal essays right now--some students, some contest
winners from the Mayhew this past year, some veterans narratives from
the Saints at War BYU project)

I don't object to our getting an additional person to help promote more
literary criticism, if that's what you were thinking.  Maybe we can
bring Neila partially on board.

As for Alan Mitchell's piece, it hangs in limbo because we haven't heard
from Ed Snow (as far as I know, he just said he wanted to look it over).
Alan has since contacted me and I gave him partial feedback (concerns
over it sounding like whining). I think he's a little discouraged and we
ought to at least let him know if we think it is viable with revision.
We certainly could link it to Scott's piece and feature writers angst.
Or, it can come in as humor.  Ed? Todd?

Gideon

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail] [mailto:owner-irreantum-
> [e-mail]] On Behalf Of Christopher Bigelow
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 9:20 AM
> To: [e-mail]; [e-mail]
> Subject: RE: [irr-ed] Winter issue deadline
>
> Responding to Todd:
>
> <<<
> I got the message and I agree with you about the division of labor. My
> tendancy would be to divide things along the following lines:
>
> Gideon: criticism
> Todd: memoir
>
> I'm really a creative writer and Gideon is a literary scholar/critic,
> so that division seems to make a bit more sense to me, though we could
> alternate.  I'm sure Gideon and I could discuss this on the side.>>>
>
> Well, I think Gideon is mostly interested in memoir as well, so I
guess
> we'll leave things as they are for now. Maybe what we need is a new
person
> focused on literary essays, someone who's interested in thinking of
new
> ways to approach the subject and in actively wooing prospective
authors
> with article assignments. Or maybe this is what the AML annual already
> does, I don't know. It just seems we need someone actively thinking,
OK,
> here's an interesting way to survey or compare or analyze
such-and-such an
> aspect of Mormon lit, and here's the person to do it. (At one time we
also
> talked about mining past annual issues for articles to reprint.)
>
> <<<Those of you who have been on the list lately will be aware of what
I'd
> like to propose for additions to the non-fiction for this issue.
>
> I'd like to have Chris B. and Scott Parkin submit their long and
> excellent posts on the chagrins of being LDS writers as essays this
time
> around. I think that they are both important for Mormon letters.>>>
>
> I wouldn't be comfortable putting my post in Irreantum. I already
suffered
> enough chagrin realizing I put it on AML-List and hearing things like
my
> old coworkers at the Ensign thinking I'm suicidal. Maybe I will rework
it
> into a personal essay sometime. But Scott's piece was a fascinating,
> mature-sounding bit of literary memoir, so go for him.
>
> <<<Also what happened with any revisions from that Alan Mitchell
> "jerimiad" on hooking up with Dutcher?>>>
>
> Is someone working with him? I don't recall what the agreement was. It
> might make an interesting companion piece with Parkin's lament.
>
>
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From: "Todd Petersen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [irr-ed] Division of labor
Date: 28 Nov 2001 12:38:39 -0700

I've had a thought here about what might be a reasonable division of
labor.

I'm more interested in creative non-fiction, but not necessarily
memoir. And I'm also interested in literary criticism to a certain
extent.

I too want to see the creative non-fiction grow, and I am excited to
see some of the stuff that Gideon has procured. I think those are really
exciting. Solicitation seems to be the best way to get material right
now.

I do think that adding someone right now would make things a little
more difficult to manage, but in the future, that might be a good idea.
I think Gideon and I can chat for a while and then see what we come up
with.

Gideon, perhaps you could let Mitchell know that we're still
entertaining using his piece. I think the idea of using it for a
Rameumpton piece is a good idea.

I'll ask Scott about the piece this afternoon unless I am stopped.
--
Todd

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From: Ed Snow <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [irr-ed] Division of labor
Date: 28 Nov 2001 11:57:12 -0800 (PST)

Sorry I've been out of touch.

I liked the "Dutcher and Me" piece. It's funny enough. There are some
minor tone consistency issues. It's a little long for Rameumptom. I
haven't seen Todd's edits, but I'm sure they're fine. If you want to run
it in Rameumptom, that's fine too.

Ed

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From: "Christopher Bigelow" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [irr-ed] Division of labor
Date: 28 Nov 2001 13:00:07 -0700

Well, Ed, you're the one who decides on Rameumptom. If you don't have =
anything better or more appropriate (shorter), you can claim it. Otherwise,=
 tell us you want to pass, and the essay guys can decide if and how they =
want it for an essay.

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:57 PM


Sorry I've been out of touch.

I liked the "Dutcher and Me" piece. It's funny enough. There are some
minor tone consistency issues. It's a little long for Rameumptom. I
haven't seen Todd's edits, but I'm sure they're fine. If you want to run
it in Rameumptom, that's fine too.=20

Ed

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From: Ed Snow <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [irr-ed] Division of labor
Date: 28 Nov 2001 12:09:07 -0800 (PST)

I don't have any thing else unless I use something of my own with a
pseudonym. I think it's good stuff, but not really a Rameumptom piece.
I'll pass to the essay people.

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From: "Todd Petersen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [irr-ed] Division of labor
Date: 28 Nov 2001 13:56:31 -0700

I say we run with Mitchell, if he'll concede to a few revisions, which
I'll handle unless anyone else wants to.  I'll e-mail him myself
tomorrow.
--
Todd

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From: "Christopher Bigelow" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [irr-ed] Division of labor
Date: 28 Nov 2001 13:59:37 -0700

It's all yours, Todd.=20

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Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 1:56 PM


I say we run with Mitchell, if he'll concede to a few revisions, which
I'll handle unless anyone else wants to.  I'll e-mail him myself
tomorrow.
--
Todd

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From: Chris Bigelow via <[e-mail]>
Subject: [irr-ed] Re: Winter issue deadline
Date: 28 Nov 2001 15:03:09 -0700

Responding to Todd:

<<<
I got the message and I agree with you about the division of labor. My
tendancy would be to divide things along the following lines:

Gideon: criticism
Todd: memoir

I'm really a creative writer and Gideon is a literary scholar/critic,
so that division seems to make a bit more sense to me, though we could
alternate.  I'm sure Gideon and I could discuss this on the side.>>>

Well, I think Gideon is mostly interested in memoir as well, so I guess
we'll leave things as they are for now. Maybe what we need is a new person
focused on literary essays, someone who's interested in thinking of new ways
to approach the subject and in actively wooing prospective authors with
article assignments. Or maybe this is what the AML annual already does, I
don't know. It just seems we need someone actively thinking, OK, here's an
interesting way to survey or compare or analyze such-and-such an aspect of
Mormon lit, and here's the person to do it. (At one time we also talked
about mining past annual issues for articles to reprint.)

<<<Those of you who have been on the list lately will be aware of what I'd
like to propose for additions to the non-fiction for this issue.

I'd like to have Chris B. and Scott Parkin submit their long and
excellent posts on the chagrins of being LDS writers as essays this time
around. I think that they are both important for Mormon letters.>>>

I wouldn't be comfortable putting my post in Irreantum. I already suffered
enough chagrin realizing I put it on AML-List and hearing things like my old
coworkers at the Ensign thinking I'm suicidal. Maybe I will rework it into a
personal essay sometime. But Scott's piece was a fascinating,
mature-sounding bit of literary memoir, so go for him.

<<<Also what happened with any revisions from that Alan Mitchell
"jerimiad" on hooking up with Dutcher?>>>

Is someone working with him? I don't recall what the agreement was. It might
make an interesting companion piece with Parkin's lament.


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From: Gideon Burton <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [irr-ed]  Mitchell piece
Date: 28 Nov 2001 16:47:29 -0700

Please do contact Alan Mitchell, Todd, and try to give him more specific
recommendations for edits than what I told him (which was simply the
concern about sounding too whiny). I don't know if Ed wants to
contribute any suggested edits, but you take the lead, Todd.

Gideon

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail] [mailto:owner-irreantum-
> [e-mail]] On Behalf Of Christopher Bigelow
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 2:00 PM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: RE: [irr-ed] Division of labor
>
> It's all yours, Todd.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Todd Petersen" <[e-mail]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 1:56 PM
> To: [e-mail]; [e-mail]
> Subject: RE: [irr-ed] Division of labor
>
>
> I say we run with Mitchell, if he'll concede to a few revisions, which
> I'll handle unless anyone else wants to.  I'll e-mail him myself
> tomorrow.
> --
> Todd
>
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