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<BR>in A.J.Miller's painting "Trappers at Breakfast".....I'm only fairly certain
<BR>After taking a look through "The West of Alfred Jacob Miller" I didn't find that particular painting. I did find "Breakfast at Sunrise", but the "coffee" pot is tucked under a trapper's arm pouring his partners a fresh cup. However nearly every trapper's camp scene Miller painted that's in this book, has a rather large cylindrical pot hanging from a tripod over the fire. There are usually racks of ribs along side the fires as well, so, from what we know of the trapper's diet, maybe we could speculate (and probably eventually get in trouble for it) the pot has coffee in it.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial> Im not sure if you can help but this is the first
site i've found on wooden barrel. I have a friend that ask me if I could find
info on the internet relative to barrel milling. He has found an old barrel
sawmill and needs any onfo that may be around to get it functioning again.
It's quite complex but has most of the steel components . If you can't help
maybe you steer us in the right direction. Thanks
albie</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:23:50 -0700
From: Dennis Knapp <dennis@clearsprings.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #998
> Were would be a good source for paint pigment. Thanks, Rick
Rick, Try going to a feed mill in your area. Some feed mills use colored iron oxides (reds, browns, yellow, black, etc.) in their feed manufacturing. It will probably be very inexpensive.
Dennis Knapp aka Sticher in southern Idaho
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Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:13:25 -0800
From: ALAN AVERY <aravery@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: corn boilers
Hi Frank,
I was following that discussion also. The boilers they are referring to as
Civil War era are the ones with the attached side handle, (looks sort of
like a big tin mug with a bail and sometimes a hinged lid.) These boilers
have been sold by a number of suppliers for a long time. Apparently they are
a Confederate Army style, (according to Goose Bay Workshops). I have asked a
Civil War fanatic that I know about this, and will post his reply if you
like. As far as straight-sided boilers not being documentable for before the
Civil War, I have to take issue with that, as the Hudson Bay Co certainly
was selling straight-sided copper pots in the 1700's. That doesn't mean that
they were in the RMFT, but interaction between HBC and the free trapppers
was not unknown, (didn't HBC actually attend some rendezvous?) so a
straight-sided copper pot COULD be correct. (If they'd a had em - they'd a
used em!! <VBG>) As far as your enamelware coffee pot goes, as long as it's
full and the coffee's hot, I wont complain!! <G>
Black Knife
Alan Avery
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From: "Frank Fusco" <frankf@cox-internet.com>
To: "hist_text-digest" <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: February 26, 2002 5:24 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: corn boilers
> A discussion has begun on another list regarding the use of tinned
corn
> boilers, the type with hinged lids, being correct/incorrect for the
pre-1840
> period.
> Recently, after being chided for the unpteenth time for using a
> spatterware tapered coffee pot, I finally bought a (expensive) corn boiler
> just to shut up the critics. Now I hear that it is an unknown item for
> anything pre-Civil War.
> So what would be correct for making coffee in a pre-1840 camp? In the
> meantime I'm going to continue using my tapered coffe pot until someone
. You can see a similar can being used to serve coffee
> in A.J.Miller's painting "Trappers at Breakfast".....I'm only fairly
certain
> of that name, now that I think of it..
I believe it is "Breakfast at Sunrise".
http://pantheon.cis.yale.edu/~thomast/art/mess.html The cylindrical can
slightly visible in that painting and others like it that can be seen (more
clearly) hanging over fires in other paintings is exactly the model for my
kettle...."for coffee making and other chores". I made no "if they'd had
it they'd have used it" presumption about it's use as a coffee pot. Miller
described the scene with these words: "The sketch represents 'our mess' at
the morning meal and Francois pouring out the coffee".
Since coffee was available during the RMFT, presuming it might be consumed
at sunrise seems reasonable. Mine has certainly been used for that
pleasant chore, among others.
I hope I'm not coming off as a grumpy old man.....which I am. I have come
down with Bell's Palsey and the left side of my face is partially paralyzed.
The sawbones says it will almost certainly go away, but until it does I am
certain to not be the chipper little elf that I usually am.
Lanney Ratcliff
.amm1585@hyperusa.com
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Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:16:26 EST
From: CTOAKES@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: corn boilers
<<So what would be correct for making coffee in a pre-1840 camp? >>
Technicaly they did not brew the coffee in what we consider to be a coffee pot. It was made in any cooking pot, brass, iron, tin that they used to make other things like soup or stews. Then it was served in a Coffee pot if you had the money/status that would allow you to have a silver coffee pot. This is according to my wife that eaches 18th century cooking at the 3rd largest village museum in the U.S. So boil it up in you cook pot then serve it in your saucer/bowl not a coffee cup.
Y.M.O.S.
C.T.Oakes
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Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:29:49 EST
From: LivingInThePast@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: "BEVER FEVOR"
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In a message dated 2/27/2002 2:50:59 PM Pacific Standard Time,
windwalker@fastmail.fm writes:
Commonly found in wild animals such as the beaver... Found mostly is
streams
> that have a salmon run every year
Maybe I missed it in one of the previous posts, but it's my understanding
that Giardia is also found in virtually ALL waters frequented by livestock
(wild) or waters affected by the runoff of commercial farming operations.
(With all the sheep in Scotland, I'm sure glad Scotch is made from well
filtered water <GGG>).
Advise I was given was: "If you're not drinking directly from the headwater
of a stream, spring, etc., PUR-I-FY OR WISH-TO-DIE."
Barney
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Maybe I missed it in one of the previous posts, but it's my understanding that Giardia is also found in virtually ALL waters frequented by livestock (wild) or waters affected by the runoff of commercial farming operations. <BR>
<BR>
(With all the sheep in Scotland, I'm sure glad Scotch is made from well filtered water <GGG>).<BR>
<BR>
Advise I was given was: "If you're not drinking directly from the headwater of a stream, spring, etc., PUR-I-FY OR WISH-TO-DIE."<BR>
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