Sadly, there was once a time when one could build an outfit based on
personal observation and oral tradition. Now, it seems, that one must carry
a library of 'documentation' to even be allowed on the grounds of some
pre-1840 events.
Even then your clothes and camp might be scorned because they do not fit
someones notion of what an RMFT trappers camp and dress might/should have
been. That there were styles, equipage and an America other than the
Rockies is denied by some and scorned by others.
I suggest you do what you wish, within the bounds of what your
observations and common sense dictate. Continue seeking advice from others,
and learning on your own, but weigh the soundness of what you are told. If
someone is openly critical of what you are doing, most likely that person is
not one you would want to count among your friends.
Build the turtle bag and let your niece enjoy. Good luck.
Frank G. Fusco
Mountain Home, Arkansas
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders
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Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:22:17 -0500
From: <Ikon@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question about turtle bags
S. Gilbert,
I can honestly say that I do not know of documentation other than seeing one
worn on Dr. Quinn medicine woman.
I have however made many and carried them to a variety of rendezvous down
here in Georgia. Only responses that were made of them was how nice they
were. I think I remember seeing one in the local Cherokee museum in Bartow
Co. Georgia.
Good Luck,
Frank V. Rago
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From: S. Gilbert <sgilbert@avalon.net>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 11:46 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: Question about turtle bags
> Hallo the List,
>
> I need help. My 7 year old niece has started going to events with us and
is
> very enthusiastic. She is helping make her own kit and clothes. She
wants
> a turtle shell bag, having seen several being carried/worn by others. I
> cannot find any documentation for these things and the folks I asked who
had
> them could not document them. Everyone "was told" they were correct by
> someone else or a vendor.
> We are trying to start her out right and teach the need for documentation.
> She has gone through all my books and suggested I ask you all, as she has
> seen me reading all the posts and help you have provided.
> Christmas is coming and she wants a bag. Help!
>
> Sue Gilbert
> 6 Beaver Camp
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:46:11 -0500
From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question about turtle bags
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Unfortunately, why are we perpetuating a very non documented item? Too many
turtles have given their lives for this item. [Image] There have been turtle
shells used for cups and bowls, but have not seen a one in the museums that was
made into a bag in the 18th or 19th. cent. But, have I ever seen them at
Rendezoux. [Image] Make the shell into a cup she can drink out of and make sure
you bleach it out real good. Then make her a leather pouch to hang from her
belt that will be more to "period" and I also do not mean one out of the fur
skins either.
Linda Holley
Ikon@mindspring.com wrote:
> S. Gilbert,
>
> I can honestly say that I do not know of documentation other than seeing one
> worn on Dr. Quinn medicine woman.
>
> I have however made many and carried them to a variety of rendezvous down
> here in Georgia. Only responses that were made of them was how nice they
> were. I think I remember seeing one in the local Cherokee museum in Bartow
> Co. Georgia.
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Frank V. Rago
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: S. Gilbert <sgilbert@avalon.net>
> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 11:46 AM
> Subject: MtMan-List: Question about turtle bags
>
> > Hallo the List,
> >
> > I need help. My 7 year old niece has started going to events with us and
> is
> > very enthusiastic. She is helping make her own kit and clothes. She
> wants
> > a turtle shell bag, having seen several being carried/worn by others. I
> > cannot find any documentation for these things and the folks I asked who
> had
> > them could not document them. Everyone "was told" they were correct by
> > someone else or a vendor.
> > We are trying to start her out right and teach the need for documentation.
> > She has gone through all my books and suggested I ask you all, as she has
> > seen me reading all the posts and help you have provided.
> > Christmas is coming and she wants a bag. Help!
> >
> > Sue Gilbert
> > 6 Beaver Camp
> >
> >
> >
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Unfortunately, why are we perpetuating a very non documented item?
Too many turtles have given their lives for this item. <img SRC="cid:part1.3C013C73.90CBB4D4@mediaone.net" height=22 width=32>
There have been turtle shells used for cups and bowls, but have not seen
a one in the museums that was made into a bag in the 18th or 19th. cent.
But, have I ever seen them at Rendezoux. <img SRC="cid:part2.3C013C73.90CBB4D4@mediaone.net" height=20 width=25>
Make the shell into a cup she can drink out of and make sure you bleach
it out real good. Then make her a leather pouch to hang from her
belt that will be more to "period" and I also do not mean one out of the
fur skins either.
<p>Linda Holley
<p>Ikon@mindspring.com wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>S. Gilbert,
<p>I can honestly say that I do not know of documentation other than seeing
one
<br>worn on Dr. Quinn medicine woman.
<p>I have however made many and carried them to a variety of rendezvous
down
<br>here in Georgia. Only responses that were made of them was how
nice they
<br>were. I think I remember seeing one in the local Cherokee museum
in Bartow
<br>Co. Georgia.
<p>Good Luck,
<p>Frank V. Rago
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<br>From: S. Gilbert <sgilbert@avalon.net>
<br>To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
<br>Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 11:46 AM
<br>Subject: MtMan-List: Question about turtle bags
<p>> Hallo the List,
<br>>
<br>> I need help. My 7 year old niece has started going to events
with us and
<br>is
<br>> very enthusiastic. She is helping make her own kit and clothes.
She
<br>wants
<br>> a turtle shell bag, having seen several being carried/worn by others.
I
<br>> cannot find any documentation for these things and the folks I asked
who
<br>had
<br>> them could not document them. Everyone "was told" they were
correct by
<br>> someone else or a vendor.
<br>> We are trying to start her out right and teach the need for documentation.
<br>> She has gone through all my books and suggested I ask you all, as
she has
<br>> seen me reading all the posts and help you have provided.
<br>> Christmas is coming and she wants a bag. Help!
<br>>
<br>> Sue Gilbert
<br>> 6 Beaver Camp
<br>>
<br>>
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