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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #876 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Friday, October 19 2001 Volume 01 : Number 876 In this issue: -áááááá MtMan-List: Horse & Gunfire -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Horse & Gunfire -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re. Horses & Gunfire -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Buck Connor -áááááá MtMan-List: Kids Camp Looking for Buffalo Head Mount -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re. Horses & Gunfire -áááááá MtMan-List: Horses -áááááá MtMan-List: Geezer Camp 2001 -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Horses -áááááá MtMan-List: Info on Alafia Ronnyvous ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 11:12:36 -0600 From: "Gretchen Ormond" <leona3@sourceoneinternet.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Horse & Gunfire Mr. Ned Eddins welcome to the group. You might find some interesting insights here that may help with your writing. Many here have tried to recreate pieces and parts of history. It can change your perspective some. As your web site says, ôA good deal of the written history of this period reflects the prejudices of the times rather than the actual events.ö It might also be said with equal truth that what we write/critic today is prejudiced by our times and expericences. While your comments on horses are well taken if I could make a small correction. Lee Newbill is the fine gentleman with old trouble maker caballo, not ôMr. Newmanö, and I am Wynn Ormond not Mr Wynn. As to throwing a horse to sack it out, that is not whispering that pretty well constitutes shouting. <G> As for shooting off a horse, I talked to an old ranch hand and hunter from Northern Utah and he related several times that he witnessed men attempt and succeed in taking game off horseback. I am still skeptical to its value except at real close range. However Mr Newbill if you make that attempt, I want a copy of the video. Wynn Ormond - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 11:46:19 -0600 From: "Ned Eddins" <neddins@silverstar.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Horse & Gunfire I apologize for getting the names wrong...in the future, I will be more careful in taking names out of the context of messages. Hopefully, I will get to know each of you. In my foolish youth, I shot off a gentle, well-broke horse. As I remember, it took some time for the black eyes to clear up...Ned - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 16:31:39 -0500 From: Lee Newbill <bluethistle@potlatch.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re. Horses & Gunfire <html><head></head><body>Ned Eddins wrote: <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:001401c154c4$9acc7ba0$e543170c@dell"> <div> If you ever try to shoot a gun off him, I would do it in chest deep water, and be sure to video it. Have you considered why your good friend gave you this horse? </div> </blockquote> Wynn did write.... <pre wrap="">> As for shooting off a horse..... However Mr Newbill if you make that attempt, I want a copy > of the video.</pre> Sheesh. Everyone wants a rodeo video. I'm getting old enough (if not smart enough) that I thy and avoid those "adventures" if at all possible. Think I'll pass on that one folks... sorry <G> The horse was gifted to me after a friend went through an ugly little divorce. I have made progress with him, but it is slow and he'll revert to his old ways unless I keep after him. I figger by the time he is to old to work, he'll be ready to work.... sigh. Maybe I shoulda looked a gift horse in the mouth, eh? Took him for a ride today, started to put the flinter in the scabbard, then changed my mind... didna wanna chance it. Two hours into the ride, I sat and watched a whitetail doe at about 30 yards. Probably for the best I left the old smoke pole on the wall. Next time I'll take the mare and the flinter. Regards from the mountains of Idaho... Lee Newbill </body></html> - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 18:23:35 -0600 From: "Daniel L. Smith" <dlsmith@about.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buck Connor > THIS IS A MESSAGE IN 'MIME' FORMAT. Your mail reader does not support MIME. > Please read the first section, which is plain text, and ignore the rest. - --Interpart.Boundary.11.22.33.M2Y90 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <html><head><meta Name='keywords' Content='commtouch, pronto, mail, free email, free, branded, web based, free web based email, communications, internet, software, advertising banners, e-mail, free software'></head><body ><div align='left'><blockquote><blockquote><TT>Bill, Talked to him about two weeks ago, he had just got back from southern Utah and was heading out again to look at property in Grand Junction, CO. Said S.UT was to damn dry and hot for him, didn't care for the desert style of living, been in the rockies to long, plus G.J.CO was closer to AMM property. I'll see if I can run him down, hear the phone company was cutting 4000 jobs with a large percentage coming from engineering where he's at, with Buck's years of service and close to retirement he maybe moving west ? If I get hold of him I'll have him call you. </TT> <TT>Later, Daniel L. "Concho" Smith _____________________________________________ HISTORICAL RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT_______HRD__ http://pages.about.com/dlsmith/_________HRD__ _____________________________________________ Words to live by: Sometimes you are sad... And no one sees your tears. Sometimes you are happy... And no one sees your smile. 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They are trying to fins a mounted buffalo head for the camp to be used in ceremonies, etc. I have suggested a skull but they are determined to find a complete head. If any one out there know of one available, would you please get in touch with me. The camp is a non-profit so the mount could be donated for a tax donation (which is their preferred method of acquisition). A good price on that old dusty buffalo in the attice would be of great help to the kids. Thanks in advance. Jim Hardee, AMM #1676 P.O. Box 1228 Quincy, CA 95971 (530)283-4566 (H) (530)283-3330 (W) (530)283-5171 FAX - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 23:00:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerry & Barbara Zaslow <zaz@pop.pacificnet.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re. Horses & Gunfire Lee, I wanted to respond earlier, but have not had the opportunity. Here is my experience with my horses. One of my horses is a good old boy. He is 20 years old and I can shoot off him, trailer him anywhere and let my grandchildren ride him. He is a finished horse and was used as a roping and team penning horse; He has great instincts and I'm sure someone hunted off him in the past. Unfortunately, he has laminitis and is on medication for the rest of his life. He is fine out on trail as long as you don't push him and don't do a lot of hills or rocky terain. Also, he can only be ridden a couple of days in a row and then he has to be rested. The horse that I ride the most is also 20 years old but acts (both physically and emotionally) more like a 10 year old. Before I bought him, he was kept in a corral for about 6 to 8 years and only ridden once every 6 months. I have been riding him for the past 6 years and he is one of the best trail horses I have ever seen. I can go anywhere with him but it did take about 2 years of patience and work to get to where he is today. He climbs straight up hills that I didn't think it was possible for him to climb. He will just about go anywhere I ask him to and I can take him out on trail alone or with any other horse. I have even taken him through a drainpipe/tunnel that was pitch black and goes under a highway and is a quarter mile long but just big enough for him to get through. I couldn't tell until we returned through it, but there were bats flying around in it. He was absolutely afraid of water when I bought him and now I can take him through rivers. As you can see, he totally trusts me. There is one thing, though, that I have not been able to do with him. That is shooting off him. He is petrified of loud noises when they are close to him. I was told that a previous owner tried to use him as a Civil War Cavalry re-enactment horse and suspect that, that might have something to do with the problem. I have taken him to mounted shooting events and tried to get him to relax, but he cannot totally. I have tried shooting a cap gun around him and that scares him. About the only time he has calmed down when shooting is going on is when he is with his buddy, the other 20 year old. I pretty much have come to the conclusion that I will not be able to shoot off him and have accepted that. He is able to be around shooting, but that is about it. What I have learned is that there are just some horses that you can do some things with and some you cannot. That is just the way it is. Good luck and be patient. Best Regards, Jerry Zaslow #1488 ________________________________________________________________________________ At 04:31 PM 10/14/2001 -0500, you wrote: ><html><head></head><body>Ned Eddins wrote: ><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:001401c154c4$9acc7ba0$e543170c@dell"> > <div> > If you ever try to shoot a gun off him, I would do >it in chest deep water, and be sure to video it. Have you considered why >your good friend gave you this horse? > </div> > </blockquote> >Wynn did write.... > <pre wrap="">> As for shooting off a horse..... However Mr Newbill if you make that attempt, I want a copy > of the video.</pre> >Sheesh. Everyone wants a rodeo video. I'm getting old enough (if not smart >enough) that I thy and avoid those "adventures" if at all possible. Think >I'll pass on that one folks... sorry <G> > >The horse was gifted to me after a friend went through an ugly little divorce. > I have made progress with him, but it is slow and he'll revert to his old >ways unless I keep after him. I figger by the time he is to old to work, >he'll be ready to work.... sigh. Maybe I shoulda looked a gift horse in >the mouth, eh? > >Took him for a ride today, started to put the flinter in the scabbard, then >changed my mind... didna wanna chance it. Two hours into the ride, I sat >and watched a whitetail doe at about 30 yards. Probably for the best I left >the old smoke pole on the wall. Next time I'll take the mare and the flinter. > >Regards from the mountains of Idaho... > >Lee Newbill > > > ></body></html> > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:43:46 -0500 From: Lee Newbill <bluethistle@potlatch.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Horses <html><head></head><body>Hallo Jerry We'll see how the old boy does this week. I'm taking him and my other two horses out on Friday for a three day hunt with Vern Illi (Wilson Hunt Price Party) and to finish up my Bossloper requirements. I've got him to the point where we don't dance off the side of mountain when gunfire erupts, but I still can't trust him enough to dismount and shoot in front of him. He no longer hightails it for Colorado at the sight of my flinter, but he still jumps a foot or two everytime there is a bang. Other than his phobia with sharp noises, he's a pretty decent animal. A bit taller than I like at 16.3 hands (it's a long way up to the stirrup for a short legged guy like me). We're heading out to camp and hunt at the site of the 2000 AMM nationals. Last time I checked, the deer were plentiful and the elk were moving through. The snow line is about 100 yards up the mountain from my house, so it should be a good time. Regards from Idaho.... Lee Newbill </body></html> - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:19:08 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" <olebjensen@earthlink.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Geezer Camp 2001 Hello the Camp! Todd has all ready given you a good idea of what took place and the feeling of the camp. The following is the list of those that attended. Walt Hayward Ron Archibald Ferral Peterson Todd Glover Ole Jensen Lamar Higbee Yaro Dog Marvin Sharp Dick James Allan Turner Bill Cunningham Rod Larkin Mike Powell Dean Rudy Louis Lasiter And Susie who run's the trading post Ymos Ole # 718 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 21:58:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerry & Barbara Zaslow <zaz@pop.pacificnet.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Horses Lee, Sounds like a great trip. Congratulations of getting your Bossloper requirements finished. That is an accomplishment in itself. Hopefully your horse will do well with the other 2. Mine seems to do best around shooting with his buddy (I mentioned in my last message) or others that stay calm. I also can keep him much calmer when I am on him. Is it easier for you to keep him calm when you are on him or on the ground? Anyway, don't give up on him; with a lot of patience you might find he will eventually understand that the shots and noise won't hurt him. Also, keeping him calm when shooting is going on by someone else is half the battle. Sounds like a good solid horse at 16.3 and just get a flying start when getting into the saddle. Mine isn't quite so tall at 15.3 but he is good and solid (close to 1100 lbs.) I'm also going to try and get out with my horse over the weekend sometime either the last weekend in October or in the middle of November. Those are the only times I will not be working on a Saturday. Not going to try and do any hunting with him at this time. If there is any hunting to be done, it will be by the other person I am going with. He has shot off his horse. Have a great time. Best Regards, Jerry Zaslow #1488 _______________________________________________________________________________ At 08:43 AM 10/15/2001 -0500, you wrote: ><html><head></head><body>Hallo Jerry > >We'll see how the old boy does this week. I'm taking him and my other two >horses out on Friday for a three day hunt with Vern Illi (Wilson Hunt Price >Party) and to finish up my Bossloper requirements. I've got him to the point >where we don't dance off the side of mountain when gunfire erupts, but I >still can't trust him enough to dismount and shoot in front of him. He no >longer hightails it for Colorado at the sight of my flinter, but he still >jumps a foot or two everytime there is a bang. > >Other than his phobia with sharp noises, he's a pretty decent animal. A >bit taller than I like at 16.3 hands (it's a long way up to the stirrup for >a short legged guy like me). > >We're heading out to camp and hunt at the site of the 2000 AMM nationals. >Last time I checked, the deer were plentiful and the elk were moving through. >The snow line is about 100 yards up the mountain from my house, so it should >be a good time. > >Regards from Idaho.... > >Lee Newbill > ></body></html> > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 12:06:25 -0400 From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@citynet.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Info on Alafia Ronnyvous I had several people email me and tell me that the link from my web site to the Florida Frontiersmen site did not work. They changed their URL and dinna tell me!!... *grins*... I fixed it, and it now works. For info on the 2002 Alifia Ronny, go to my site www.geocities.com/ronnyvous and near the bottom of the page, click on the Florida Frontiersmen logo fo get to them. Ad Miller Alderson, WV - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #876 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.