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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #874 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Thursday, October 11 2001 Volume 01 : Number 874 In this issue: -áááááá MtMan-List: -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: -áááááá MtMan-List: Horses & Gunfire -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: -áááááá RE: MtMan-List: -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: -áááááá RE: MtMan-List: -áááááá MtMan-List: Womens belt -áááááá MtMan-List: Canadian Encyclopedia is now online ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 23:21:31 EDT From: MarkLoader@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: - --part1_6.1d43ae71.28f3c73b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello the Camp I made my wife a split elk skin dress years a go. It is made of two large pieces front and back that go to about the knees and two piece that attach and extend the dress to the ankles. I used thongs thru antler buttons with red and blue crow beads to attach them to the upper part so they could be removed if she wanted. The antler buttons have to go. Any recommendations what to replace them with? Square pieces of red trade cloth? How about the crow beads? Thanks Mark Roadkill Loader - --part1_6.1d43ae71.28f3c73b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML>Hello the Camp I made my wife a split elk skin dress years a go. It is made of two large pieces front and back that go to about the knees and two piece that attach and extend the dress to the ankles. I used thongs thru antler buttons with red and blue crow beads to attach them to the upper part so they could be removed if she wanted. The antler buttons have to go. Any recommendations what to replace them with? Square pieces of red trade cloth? How about the crow beads? Thanks Mark Roadkill Loader</HTML> - --part1_6.1d43ae71.28f3c73b_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 01:00:53 EDT From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: In a message dated 10/8/01 8:22:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, MarkLoader@aol.com writes: << The antler buttons have to go. Any recommendations what to replace them with? Square pieces of red trade cloth? How about the crow beads? >> Mark, You haven't mentioned what area/time frame/persona she is portraying, but just plain brained leather thong woven through the pieces, or for something a bit fancier, attached with purple-top "sacred" cowrie shells, pieces of Abalone shell, etc. might be nice. Barney - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 06:51:07 -0600 From: "Gretchen Ormond" <leona3@sourceoneinternet.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Horses & Gunfire Lee Newbill wrote: With him, I'm sometimes more tempted to sack him with a .50 ball than a saddleblanket..... wonder if horseflesh is really sweeter than beef. I would like to try horse flesh myself just to say I had, but at 17 he is likely to be beyond his prime. CanÆt you get a younger problem horse we could eat? Lee Newbill wrote: This old horse (17 or so), is just twitchy. Has been since he was a foal. I've sacked him before, but I think there are no branches on his family tree. It's probably the Thourghbred in him. Funny how one person talks about quarter horses using thoroughbred breeding to ôPut inteligience into the bred,ö while others cuss the foolishness of the cross. At any rate, by that age I would not expect to change an ingrained personality trait, but you maybe could improve a bad thing. Using the bosal or similar equipment to teach the whoa and demand that he stay planted might help save your catch pen during the lessons. Horses are in fathomable. There is always something more to learn about them, or at least I hope so since that is part of my fascination with them. This last weekend my 2 year old mule gave me an education in light hands. If I really work hard to use my cues properly she stays collected and will do whatever I ask, but if I start thinking that the slack rein and asking are not that necessary (IÆll make her turn or stop attitude) sheÆs pretty good at humbling me. Good luck with your problem child. Wynn Ormond - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:20:07 -0400 From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@citynet.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dumb question... why get rid of the antler buttons? Ad Miller - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 11:56:59 -0600 From: "Bill Klesinger" <bill@klesinger.com> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Mr Miller I think the question is where they used and if not ! then we have the answer. I personally have never seen a reference to them as used. they would have been way to hard to make in the field or at camp with out a saw. I would not have tried to carry a saw. If I needed a button I would have used a wood tong carved with a knife. Or a green bone. Bill - -----Original Message----- From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Addison Miller Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 10:20 AM To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dumb question... why get rid of the antler buttons? Ad Miller - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 14:33:46 -0500 From: Victoria Pate <vapate@juno.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mr. Klesinger, What is a green bone? Thanks, Victoria On Tue, 9 Oct 2001 11:56:59 -0600 "Bill Klesinger" <bill@klesinger.com> writes: > If I needed a button I would have used > a wood tong carved with a knife. Or a green bone. > > Bill > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:48:32 -0700 (PDT) From: George Noe <gnoe39@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Victoria, I think a "green" bone, is a fresh, raw bone. One still soft and more easily worked than a "old" dry one. My thoughts, was that type of button used at that time ? If so they might have been obtained by trade with the Indians (if they made them), or at "rondy". $00.02 - --- Victoria Pate <vapate@juno.com> wrote: > > Mr. Klesinger, > > What is a green bone? > > Thanks, > Victoria > > On Tue, 9 Oct 2001 11:56:59 -0600 "Bill Klesinger" > <bill@klesinger.com> > writes: > > > If I needed a button I would have used > > a wood tong carved with a knife. Or a green bone. > > > > Bill > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: > > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ===== George R. Noe< gnoe39@yahoo.com > Watch your back trail, and keep your eyes on the skyline. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:00:49 EDT From: MarkLoader@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: - --part1_12b.59ac931.28f4b171_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The buttons are antler cut across the beam about 3/16 inch thick. They would have been very difficult to make with primitive tools. Antler buttons seam to the Hollywood time period better. Want to fit pre 1830 period. Thanks Mark - --part1_12b.59ac931.28f4b171_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML>The buttons are antler cut across the beam about 3/16 inch thick. They would have been very difficult to make with primitive tools. Antler buttons seam to the Hollywood time period better. Want to fit pre 1830 period. Thanks Mark</HTML> - --part1_12b.59ac931.28f4b171_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:49:23 -0400 From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@citynet.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: I see what you mean about the buttons.... good point. Thank you for the education. :) Ad Miller - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:44:06 -0600 From: "Bill Klesinger" <bill@klesinger.com> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: I call a green bone one that has not been cooked , I guess that a better way to say it would be raw bone. Bill - -----Original Message----- From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Victoria Pate Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 1:34 PM To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mr. Klesinger, What is a green bone? Thanks, Victoria On Tue, 9 Oct 2001 11:56:59 -0600 "Bill Klesinger" <bill@klesinger.com> writes: > If I needed a button I would have used > a wood tong carved with a knife. Or a green bone. > > Bill > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:37:17 EDT From: MarkLoader@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Womens belt - --part1_13f.2c017cc.28f651cd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On page 31 of Hanson's Feminine Fur Trade Fashions is a belt with large German silver disks. Would it have been worn pre 1830 or later like on a reservation? Thanks Mark Roadkill Loader - --part1_13f.2c017cc.28f651cd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML>On page 31 of Hanson's Feminine Fur Trade Fashions is a belt with large German silver disks. Would it have been worn pre 1830 or later like on a reservation? Thanks Mark Roadkill Loader</HTML> - --part1_13f.2c017cc.28f651cd_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:16:37 -0600 From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@telusplanet.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Canadian Encyclopedia is now online The Canadian Encyclopedia is now available online, for free, as a service from Canada's Historica Foundation: http://thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?TCE_Version=A Search the Canadian Encyclopedia for great articles on subjects like the Hudson's Bay Company, David Thompson, Dr. John McLoughlin, the North West Company, trade silver, and so much more. It's a great resource that has been available to Canadians for the last twenty years, and is now available to anyone with 'net access. The Historica Foundation also plans to release the Canadian Dictionary of Biography on CD-ROM. Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #874 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.