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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest)
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hist_text-digest Sunday, September 2 2001 Volume 01 : Number 850
In this issue:
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: what exactly do "YOU" carry in your possibles bag ????
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Double three point blankets
-áááááá Fw: MtMan-List: what exactly do "YOU" carry in your possibles bag ????
-áááááá Re: Fw: MtMan-List: what exactly do "YOU" carry in your possibles bag ????
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: what exactly do "YOU" carry in your possibles bag ????
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: what exactly do "YOU" carry in your possibles bag?
-áááááá MtMan-List: Chouteau Days
-áááááá MtMan-List: smoothbore rear sights
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: smoothbore rear sights
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Chouteau Days
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: what exactly do "YOU" carry in your possibles bag ????
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: smoothbore rear sights
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Chouteau Days
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Chouteau Days
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: smoothbore rear sights
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: smoothbore rear sights
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Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 08:47:55 -0500
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <amm1585@hyperusa.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: what exactly do "YOU" carry in your possibles bag ????
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Just curious what you keep in your "possibles" bag. Please itemize.
I keep Mark Baker in mine and he just hands out whatever I need.
Lanney Ratcliff
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I keep Mark Baker in mine and he just hands out =
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Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 07:54:49 -0600
From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@telusplanet.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Double three point blankets
Thanks to everyone who responded with info on the double three point
blankets. I knew you folks would have the answer.
Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
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Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 11:34:37 -0500
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <amm1585@hyperusa.com>
Subject: Fw: MtMan-List: what exactly do "YOU" carry in your possibles bag ????
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Dave
I just couldn't help the Mark Baker comment. Just couldn't help myself =
at all.
My possibles bag contents will vary, depending on circumstances. =
However I nearly always contain certain items:
1.prescription drugs for diabetes & hypertension....always
2.aspirin if I am at high altitude.....a big help in avoiding altitude =
sickness
3.fire kit w/tinder
4.knife w/small stone
5.journal w/pencil
6. compact sewing kit with linen & cotton thread and various needles and =
a length of buckskin whang
7.compass.....mine has a built in sundial
8.small qty ready to eat rations.....dried fruit, cheese, jerky, etc
9.sometimes tin cup w/spoon....especially if camp dogging is a =
possibility
10. pipe & tobacco or a cigar
11. camera & film where applicable
12. flask w/rum or whisky if going visiting......I don't drink (see =
"diabetes" above) but don't mind treating my friends.
YMOS
Lanney Ratcliff
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=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Dave</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I just couldn't help the Mark Baker comment. =
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couldn't help myself at all.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>My possibles bag contents will vary, depending on=20
circumstances. However I nearly always contain certain=20
items:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>1.prescription drugs for diabetes &=20
hypertension....always</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>2.aspirin if I am at high altitude.....a big =
help in=20
avoiding altitude sickness</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>3.fire kit w/tinder</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>4.knife w/small stone</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>5.journal w/pencil</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>6. compact sewing kit with linen & cotton thread =
and=20
various needles and a length of buckskin whang</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>7.compass.....mine has a built in =
sundial</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>8.small qty ready to eat rations.....dried fruit, =
cheese,=20
jerky, etc</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>9.sometimes tin cup w/spoon....especially if camp =
dogging is a=20
possibility</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>10. pipe & tobacco or a cigar</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>11. camera & film where applicable</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>12. flask w/rum or whisky if going visiting......I =
don't drink=20
(see "diabetes" above) but don't mind treating my friends.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>YMOS</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Lanney Ratcliff</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 02, 2001 3:05 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> MtMan-List: what exactly do "YOU" carry in your =
possibles=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Just curious what you keep in your "possibles" =
bag. Please=20
itemize.</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 17:47:14 +0000
From: "darlene secondine" <dmdhsecondine@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: MtMan-List: what exactly do "YOU" carry in your possibles bag ????
Howdy Dave,
Throw in a bag mold a couple sticks of bar lead and folding ladle and some
tow, everything else is about the same.
Happy trails,
Don, in the Ohio country
>From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <amm1585@hyperusa.com>
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>Subject: Fw: MtMan-List: what exactly do "YOU" carry in your possibles bag
>????
>Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 11:34:37 -0500
>
>Dave
>I just couldn't help the Mark Baker comment. Just couldn't help myself at
>all.
>
>My possibles bag contents will vary, depending on circumstances. However I
>nearly always contain certain items:
>1.prescription drugs for diabetes & hypertension....always
>2.aspirin if I am at high altitude.....a big help in avoiding altitude
>sickness
>3.fire kit w/tinder
>4.knife w/small stone
>5.journal w/pencil
>6. compact sewing kit with linen & cotton thread and various needles and a
>length of buckskin whang
>7.compass.....mine has a built in sundial
>8.small qty ready to eat rations.....dried fruit, cheese, jerky, etc
>9.sometimes tin cup w/spoon....especially if camp dogging is a possibility
>10. pipe & tobacco or a cigar
>11. camera & film where applicable
>12. flask w/rum or whisky if going visiting......I don't drink (see
>"diabetes" above) but don't mind treating my friends.
>YMOS
>Lanney Ratcliff
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>From: cd252
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>Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 3:05 AM
>Subject: MtMan-List: what exactly do "YOU" carry in your possibles bag ????
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Just curious what you keep in your "possibles" bag. Please itemize.
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
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Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 14:02:00 -0400
From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@citynet.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: what exactly do "YOU" carry in your possibles bag ????
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I actually carry.... depending on how long I am going to be out...
If just for a morning hunt, I carry a medium size with the following....
1. 2 extra flints
2. sundial/compass
3. gun oil
4. several clean patches
5. cleaning solvent
6. vent pick, screw driver, brush combo
7. patch worm, ball puller, cleaning jag
8. 20 ball of the same caliber as the rifle
9. 4 oz flask of "snake bite" remedy
10. small knife and stone
11. water tight lucifer tin
12. powder horn
13. 1'x1' heavy leather
14. 2 - 36" long whangs
15. smoking material
If this is going to be an ALL day trip... then I add in a leather =
haversack....
1. small tin boiler and cup
2. coffee grounds in premeasured bags
3. fire starting kit
4. parched corn, dried peas, hard cheese and jerky
5. basic first aid kit
6. spoon
7. 8 oz flask of "snake bite" medicine... more chance of getting bit if =
out all day...
8. canteen of water (if none available where I am going)
9. sewing kit
Hope this info helps....
Ad Miller
Alderson, WV
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I actually carry.... depending on how =
long I am=20
going to be out...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If just for a morning hunt, I carry a =
medium size=20
with the following....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1. 2 extra flints</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2. sundial/compass</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>3. gun oil</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>4. several clean =
patches</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>5. cleaning solvent</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>6. vent pick, screw driver, brush =
combo</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>7. patch worm, ball puller, =
cleaning=20
jag</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>8. 20 ball of the same caliber as =
the=20
rifle</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>9. 4 oz flask of "snake bite"=20
remedy</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>10. small knife and stone</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>11. water tight lucifer =
tin</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>12. powder horn</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>13. 1'x1' heavy leather</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>14. 2 - 36" long whangs</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>15. smoking material</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If this is going to be an ALL day =
trip... then I=20
add in a leather haversack....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1. small tin boiler and =
cup</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2. coffee grounds in premeasured=20
bags</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>3. fire starting kit</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>4. parched corn, dried =
peas, hard=20
cheese and jerky</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>5. basic first aid =
kit</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>6. spoon</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>7. 8 oz flask of "snake bite" =
medicine...=20
more chance of getting bit if out all day...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>8. canteen of water (if none =
available where=20
I am going)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>9. sewing kit</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hope this info helps....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ad Miller</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Alderson, WV</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 14:04:22 -0400
From: tom roberts <troberts@gdi.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: what exactly do "YOU" carry in your possibles bag?
Just dumped mine out to see what all is in there and here's what I
found:
1 ticking pouch containing:
2 hand forged forks (made by a fine Ohio blacksmith)
2 hand forged spoons
1 horsehair/bone toothbrush
1 forged "Z" hook (for hanging/skinning squirrels)
1 wire blanket pin
1 spare rivercane pipe stem
2 small sticks of lighter pine
1 small flat file
1 ticking pouch containing:
a couple fist sized balls of tinder (moss, tow, palm hair)
1 tin with char under leather, small steel, small flint, glass lens,
wad of tinder
2 small chunks of pine pitch
1 ticking pouch containing:
1 tin with tobacco and clay pipe bowl
1 tin with assorted fish hooks, linen line, lead strips
1 small roll of heavy waxed linen string
1 wooden tube containing a few sewing needles
1 journal with pencil
1 canvas pouch with a small New Testament (ABS, printed 1826)
1 ticking pouch containing jerky and a small tea brick
1 small folding tin lantern with spare candle, spare pencil, spare pipe
stem, obsidian flake
1 small copper flask with a medicinal product from a Carolina
mountaineer
1 short length of hickory stick (pointed for digging or a stake)
1 horsehair rope, about 1/4" x 40ft
a couple scraps of braintan
a small copper boiler with bail
a string of small whiteheart beads
Sounds like I've got everything but a saddle, but I can and do thin it
down depending
on what I'm doing.
Tom
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Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 13:48:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Noe <gnoe39@yahoo.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Chouteau Days
http://members.socket.net/~mofurco/salina/carol.htm
Pix from last year !
The Museum is on the site where Chouteau's home was
located. In Salina, Oklahoma.
Dates: October 12 - 13
We are interested in help for "School Day" dremos on
Friday, and number of camps on Sat.
Anybody interested ???
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Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 16:20:49 -0500
From: "Frank Fusco" <frankf@cox-internet.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: smoothbore rear sights
A friend has a very nice repro NW trade musket that has a fine groove
engraved at the breech end of the barrel. This groove is about 8 inches long
and serves as a rear sight. It does not raise above the plane of the barrel.
My friend said that when he visited the Museum of the Fur Trade he saw
that about 25% of the trade muskets displayed had a similar rear sight.
From my readings, I know that this was a common technique for having a
rear 'sight' on a smoothbore.
If such sights are period correct, does anyone know why they are banned
from most primitive matches today? It seems to me that such banning is a
'not-authentic' ruling by those wishing most to preserve history correctly.
Frank G. Fusco
Mountain Home, Arkansas
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders
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Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 14:35:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: scott mcmahon <mustanggray@excite.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: smoothbore rear sights
Mr. Fusco,
Never understood that rule myself nor have I ever understood rendezvous'
allowing T.C. "Hawkens" with modern sights but banning such period firearms
as 1816 Halls breechloaders or 1830's model Halls breechloading carbines?!
We had a controversy at our local rendezvous a couple of years ago over the
same thing and the only explianation I got was that those guns were just not
"furtrade" guns? I took it to mean that since those running the events
didn't have them they weren't allowed! I've found that furtrade
reenactors/living historians who are really interested in doing things right
are few and far between, at least here in Texas.
Scott McMahon
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Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 14:53:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Noe <gnoe39@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Chouteau Days
PS.
You can bring your "public" type tradegoods and sell
them !! Not many Mt.Man type trade, but you can set up
to sell anything, or almost anything.
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Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 18:26:46 -0400
From: Ikon@mindspring.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: what exactly do "YOU" carry in your possibles bag ????
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Let's see.
hole punch
file
extra flints although I shoot caps
patch worm
ball screw puller
patch material
tin of lube
tin of caps
a few yards of heavy thread
a few feet of latigo lacing
a nice piece of tanned deerskin that wraps around a palm size mag. =
glass.
a few yards of sinew, immitation.
extra lead balls
I will usually throw in a mess of deer jerky, salt, coffee and a few =
munchies.
The coffee cup is on the outside of the pouch.
I carry my flint & steel in a small pouch on the belt. =20
I also carry my shooting pouch on the side. It is not very big but it =
includes 20 balls, a tin of pre lubed pre cut patches, and a tin of =
caps. Inside I have a 4 ball pre lubed patched balls spead loader made =
of black walnet and on the end is a little leather ring that carries 10 =
caps.
Man, those caps do get to be a pain. One day I will make the flint that =
I always talk about.
Thats about it.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Let's see.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>hole punch</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>file</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>extra flints although I shoot =
caps</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>patch worm</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>ball screw puller</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>patch material</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>tin of lube</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>tin of caps</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>a few yards of heavy =
thread</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>a few feet of latigo =
lacing</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>a nice piece of tanned deerskin that =
wraps around a=20
palm size mag. glass.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>a few yards of sinew, =
immitation.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>extra lead balls</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I will usually throw in a mess of deer =
jerky, salt,=20
coffee and a few munchies.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The coffee cup is on the outside of the =
pouch.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I carry my flint & steel in a small =
pouch on=20
the belt. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I also carry my shooting pouch on the =
side. =20
It is not very big but it includes 20 balls, a tin of pre lubed pre cut=20
patches, and a tin of caps. Inside I have a 4 ball pre lubed =
patched=20
balls spead loader made of black walnet and on the end is a little =
leather ring=20
that carries 10 caps.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Man, those caps do get to be a =
pain. One day=20
I will make the flint that I always talk about.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thats about it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> MtMan-List: what =
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"YOU" carry in your possibles bag ????</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Hi,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Just curious what you keep in your "possibles" =
bag. Please=20
itemize.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 18:25:04 -0400
From: tom roberts <troberts@gdi.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: smoothbore rear sights
Frank,
Was recently at the MFT and do not recall seeing such a mark
on trade guns. Spent much of the day at the gun cabinets but
I could have missed it. What I do recall (as I have an interest
in rear sights) was a chisled notch across the barrel just forward
of the breech with said notch having a fine groove filed at the
center, thus creating a rear sight. As I remember, (which is
less than 100% trustworthy) there were about a dozen (of more than 100)
guns so configured. Would seem to me that the "above the plane of the
barrel" type of sight would be much more visible (and effective)
than a fine linear scribe within the barrel. BTW, without a primary
source
document describing either type as being done at the time of build
or during the timeframe of interest (does anyone know of one?) it's
impossible to prove that the gun wasn't updated later. Even though
there's probably quite a few folks (including me) that believe the rear
sight was pre-1840 RMFT, unless it can be proven, any event organizer
has
the right to ban them. It keeps the playing field somewhat level. I
guess
if you're a really good shot, the rear sight helps only slightly and if
you're not all that good (like me) it still might not help too much.
<G>
(Dr.P., no remarks! <G>)
In any case, I'm not sure that "common" is an accurate descriptor for
rear
sights on a correct smoothbore. Anyone have some references?
Just $.02
Tom
Frank Fusco wrote:
>
> A friend has a very nice repro NW trade musket that has a fine groove
> engraved at the breech end of the barrel. This groove is about 8 inches long
> and serves as a rear sight. It does not raise above the plane of the barrel.
> My friend said that when he visited the Museum of the Fur Trade he saw
> that about 25% of the trade muskets displayed had a similar rear sight.
> From my readings, I know that this was a common technique for having a
> rear 'sight' on a smoothbore.
> If such sights are period correct, does anyone know why they are banned
> from most primitive matches today? It seems to me that such banning is a
> 'not-authentic' ruling by those wishing most to preserve history correctly.
> Frank G. Fusco
> Mountain Home, Arkansas
> http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders
>
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Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 17:55:21 -0400
From: hawknest4@juno.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Chouteau Days
george
where is salina okla---I know where salina kan is---how far from fort
smith
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Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 16:47:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Noe <gnoe39@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Chouteau Days
Hawk,
I don't know how far, from Ft. Smith to Salina, Ok.
On the map it's only about a couple of inches. <B G>
From Ft. Smith go Morthwest to Musgogee, OK; then
North to Pryor, OK. ( Named for Nathaniel Pryor of
Lewis and Clark group, he was an Indian agent or
something in that area.) Then about 8 - 10 miles East
to Salina. Or from Siloam Springs AR., go West to
Locust Grove, Ok., then North to Salina.
The Museum is on the East end of town, on the road
from Pryor.
(Not as far for you and friends to come as Douglas and
I from Duncan, OK.Its about a 5 hr drive for us.)This
will be our third year !
Hope we can get several to come and set up !
Carol said she would like to see the Museum grounds
and the Park next to it full of camps.(2 -3 acres)
Its in Town and we don't see how we could have a
"shoot", but she said we might be able to somehow.
That would have to be in future plans.
If you and others cain't set up, PLEASE try to come
just for Sat.
Would like to meet any and all !!!!
grn
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> george
> where is salina okla---I know where salina kan
> is---how far from fort
> smith
>
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Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 21:13:32 -0400
From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@citynet.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: smoothbore rear sights
> If such sights are period correct, does anyone know why they are banned
> from most primitive matches today? It seems to me that such banning is a
> 'not-authentic' ruling by those wishing most to preserve history
correctly.
> Frank G. Fusco
When I raised this same subject to NMLRA, I was told that even though rear
sights on smoothies WERE period correct, they felt it was unfair to have a
competetion where some had sights and some didn't... and instead of making
TWO matches, they said "No rear sights"... I was at the MFT as well, and
have pictures on my web site of original smoothies and trade guns WITH
original rear sights. ( www.geocities.com/ronnyvous )
Ad Miller
Alderson, WV
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Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 02:22:04 +0000
From: "darlene secondine" <dmdhsecondine@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: smoothbore rear sights
Howdy Boys,
Can you imagine the ole boys at the original RM Rondesvous standing around
saying stuff like" Hell Meek, don't blow down that barrel, you'll blow yore
fool head off!" or ..."you can't shoot that gun in this match 'cause you got
a rear sight and I don't!" When you think about some of these damned silly
rules it kinda reminds one of Congress.
If somebody would have tried that kind of stuff at a real rondy, they'd have
been laughed out of the mountains.
Well, there it is,
Don in the Ohio Country
>From: tom roberts <troberts@gdi.net>
>Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: smoothbore rear sights
>Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 18:25:04 -0400
>
>Frank,
>
>Was recently at the MFT and do not recall seeing such a mark
>on trade guns. Spent much of the day at the gun cabinets but
>I could have missed it. What I do recall (as I have an interest
>in rear sights) was a chisled notch across the barrel just forward
>of the breech with said notch having a fine groove filed at the
>center, thus creating a rear sight. As I remember, (which is
>less than 100% trustworthy) there were about a dozen (of more than 100)
>guns so configured. Would seem to me that the "above the plane of the
>barrel" type of sight would be much more visible (and effective)
>than a fine linear scribe within the barrel. BTW, without a primary
>source
>document describing either type as being done at the time of build
>or during the timeframe of interest (does anyone know of one?) it's
>impossible to prove that the gun wasn't updated later. Even though
>there's probably quite a few folks (including me) that believe the rear
>sight was pre-1840 RMFT, unless it can be proven, any event organizer
>has
>the right to ban them. It keeps the playing field somewhat level. I
>guess
>if you're a really good shot, the rear sight helps only slightly and if
>you're not all that good (like me) it still might not help too much.
><G>
>
>(Dr.P., no remarks! <G>)
>
>In any case, I'm not sure that "common" is an accurate descriptor for
>rear
>sights on a correct smoothbore. Anyone have some references?
>
>
>Just $.02
>
>Tom
>
>
>Frank Fusco wrote:
> >
> > A friend has a very nice repro NW trade musket that has a fine
>groove
> > engraved at the breech end of the barrel. This groove is about 8 inches
>long
> > and serves as a rear sight. It does not raise above the plane of the
>barrel.
> > My friend said that when he visited the Museum of the Fur Trade he
>saw
> > that about 25% of the trade muskets displayed had a similar rear sight.
> > From my readings, I know that this was a common technique for having
>a
> > rear 'sight' on a smoothbore.
> > If such sights are period correct, does anyone know why they are
>banned
> > from most primitive matches today? It seems to me that such banning is a
> > 'not-authentic' ruling by those wishing most to preserve history
>correctly.
> > Frank G. Fusco
> > Mountain Home, Arkansas
> > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders
> >
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