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hist_text-digest Sunday, August 12 2001 Volume 01 : Number 841
In this issue:
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: OFF LIST....watch your parents closely
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: OFF LIST....watch your parents closely
-áááááá MtMan-List: A fishing reference
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: A fishing reference
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: A fishing reference
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Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 08:06:29 -0600
From: "Gretchen Ormond" <leona3@sourceoneinternet.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OFF LIST....watch your parents closely
It is interesting how often we all face similar trials in life.
Unfortunately, the day is soon coming that I will not be able to keep an
eye on my father anymore. I hear a lot of people who are shocked by how
fast the young ones grow but it shocks me more to see the adults fall
away. Soon there will only be us kids left. Surely we can not be
expected to fill the boots like the ones he will be leaving!
Wynn Ormond
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Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 01:33:37 EDT
From: WSmith4100@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OFF LIST....watch your parents closely
Amen, Wynn. Amen.
ZZZZZZZZZZ
Sleeps Loudly
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Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 17:03:02 -0500
From: "Paul W. Jones" <pwjones@excelonline.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: A fishing reference
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George Laycock, author of "The Mountain Men, The Dramatic History and =
Lore ofthe First Frontiersmen," Lyons Press, 1988, 1996, makes several =
statements related to fishing. However, he gives no citations for such =
statements, and I am asking for help in terms of identfying the source =
for one or more of such statements.
1. "Mountain men often carried fishhooks in their gear and, given the =
opportunity, caught and ate everything from trout to catfish."
a. Is anyone aware of any reference to mountain men carrying =
fishing in their gear?
b. Other than the fishing and fish eating accounts in the Lewis and =
Clark Journals, Stuart's narratives during the Astorian era, Hoback's =
fishing as he and his two companions tried to keep from starving, and =
the references in Matthew Field's journals about Sir William's fishing =
party, is anyone aware of other references to mountain men catching =
and/or eating trout, catfish or whatever had fins?
2. "One trapping brigade, after weeks of near starvation in the =
southwestern deserts, arrived at the Snake River where trout were =
plentiful. They had no hooks but one of them........discovered a large =
pin......(which he) ....fashioned into a hook, it caught enough large =
trout on live bait to feed the brigade."
a. Can anyone cite me a book or other reference which would =
identify this party, the date, etc.
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Paul
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ron and Gayle=20
To: ammlist@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: AMM-List: Re: Land Rules
George,
There is nothing wrong with the interim rules. Our post was not meant =
as a critisism, but as a suggestion for permanent
rules If the Vote was today and the proposal was to adopt the interim =
rules as permanent, I would Vote a resounding YES!
As I said to Grizz in an earlier post, Simpler is better as I see it". =
Very little ambiguity.
yhaos
Ron Harris
"litefoot
Tejas
1539
Subject: AMM-List: Re: Land Rules
Thank you Ron, and the Brothers who have taken the time to propose =
some new=20
land rules.=20
I would humbly like to inquire what is wrong with the current =
interim rules=20
as stated in the January 2001 Moccasin Mail? Excluding number 4, =
which deals=20
with hunting and trapping on the property, I believe that they =
pretty much=20
cover all the bases. That rule has been deleted to allow hunting on =
the=20
property.=20
Also, I concur with Walt Hayward in regards to the cabin.=20
Your Brother,=20
George Thompson,=20
Capitaine, A.M.M.=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>George Laycock, author of "The Mountain Men, =
The=20
Dramatic History and Lore ofthe First Frontiersmen," Lyons Press, 1988, =
1996,=20
makes several statements related to fishing. However, he gives no=20
citations for such statements, and I am asking for help in terms of =
identfying=20
the source for one or more of such statements.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>1. "Mountain men often =
carried=20
fishhooks in their gear and, given the opportunity, caught and ate =
everything=20
from trout to catfish."</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2> a. Is anyone aware =
of any=20
reference to mountain men carrying fishing in their =
gear?</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2> b. Other than the =
fishing and=20
fish eating accounts in the Lewis and Clark Journals, Stuart's =
narratives during=20
the Astorian era, Hoback's fishing as he and his two companions tried to =
keep=20
from starving, and the references in Matthew Field's journals about Sir=20
William's fishing party, is anyone aware of other references to mountain =
men=20
catching and/or eating trout, catfish or whatever had=20
fins?</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>2. "One trapping brigade, =
after=20
weeks of near starvation in the southwestern deserts, arrived at the =
Snake River=20
where trout were plentiful. They had no hooks but one of=20
them........discovered a large pin......(which he) ....fashioned into a =
hook, it=20
caught enough large trout on live bait to feed the=20
brigade."</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2> a. Can =
anyone cite=20
me a book or other reference which would identify this party, the date,=20
etc.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>Thanks in advance.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>Regards,</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>Paul</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV=20
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:books@tvec.net" title=3Dbooks@tvec.net>Ron and =
Gayle</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:ammlist@lists.xmission.com"=20
title=3Dammlist@lists.xmission.com>ammlist@lists.xmission.com</A> =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 10, 2001 =
11:24=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: AMM-List: Re: Land =
Rules</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>George,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There is nothing wrong with the =
interim rules.=20
Our post was not meant as a critisism, but as a suggestion for=20
permanent</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>rules If the Vote was today =
and the proposal=20
was to adopt the interim rules as permanent, I would Vote a resounding =
YES!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As I said to Grizz in an earlier =
post, Simpler is=20
better as I see it". Very little ambiguity.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>yhaos</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ron Harris</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"litefoot</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tejas</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1539</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> AMM-List: Re: Land =
Rules</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2>Thank you =
Ron, and=20
the Brothers who have taken the time to propose some new <BR>land =
rules.=20
<BR>I would humbly like to inquire what is wrong with the current =
interim=20
rules <BR>as stated in the January 2001 Moccasin Mail? Excluding =
number 4,=20
which deals <BR>with hunting and trapping on the property, I believe =
that=20
they pretty much <BR>cover all the bases. That rule has been deleted =
to=20
allow hunting on the <BR>property. <BR>Also, I concur with Walt =
Hayward in=20
regards to the cabin. <BR><BR>Your Brother, <BR><BR>George Thompson, =
<BR>Capitaine, A.M.M. =
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Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 19:55:33 -0400
From: tom roberts <troberts@gdi.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A fishing reference
Here's one find from the diary of William Ashley on May 27th 1825 where
he not only
mentions catching, eating, and enjoying fish, but he also shows 2
indians how to fish
and gives them some tackle.
"The Next day Wednesday May 27th I arrived at the place appointed to
meet the men sent to kill Buffaloe, as well as The band of Indians &
late in the afternoon two Indians arrived to inform me that in
consequence of the mountanous situation of the Country that the Lodges
would not arrive sooner than three days; and requested that I would wait
their arrival that they would supply me with 6 horses, I consented to
wait, the Indians remained until the next morning - [interlined:
Thursday 28th] and then started to assist & hurry their [deleted: band]
tribe [?] during the last two days we have lived on fish we caught with
hooks & lines we find them of an excellent kind of a different Speeces
to any that I ever before have seen similar in appearance to our pike
They have but few scales or bones, those of which we caught were from
one to two feet long, the[y] appared quite a curiosity to the Indians -
I shewed them how they were caught & gave Each one a hook & line with
which they were much pleased - The country below so far as I decended is
an Entirely mountains of rock destitute of timber (Except [interlined:
in places] on the border of the river) grass or game, although I was
notified that game could not be had in it I expected to find as I had
Every day in decending the river found [?] geese sufficient for our
subsistance, but to my supprise and regret not one was to be seen - The
weather is becoming warm and the musketoes troublesome, of the latter -
we may expect (from their Early appearance) an abundant supply this
summer - "
Now then, who can identify the approximate location of this event?
Tom
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Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 08:47:35 -0600
From: Kierst Family <kierst@taosnet.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A fishing reference
>A book that will tell you the date and party is Joe Meek The Merry
>Mountain Man by Stanley Vestal. Page 118.
Dirty Shirt
George Laycock, author of "The Mountain Men, The Dramatic History and
Lore ofthe First Frontiersmen," Lyons Press, 1988, 1996, makes several
statements related to fishing. However, he gives no citations for such
statements, and I am asking for help in terms of identfying the source for
one or more of such statements. 1. "Mountain men often carried
fishhooks in their gear and, given the opportunity, caught and ate
everything >from trout to catfish." a. Is anyone aware of any
reference to mountain men carrying fishing in their gear? b. Other
than the fishing and fish eating accounts in the Lewis and Clark Journals,
Stuart's narratives during the Astorian era, Hoback's fishing as he and
his two companions tried to keep >from starving, and the references in
Matthew Field's journals about Sir William's fishing party, is anyone
aware of other references to mountain men catching and/or eating trout,
catfish or whatever had fins? 2. "One trapping brigade, after weeks
of near starvation in the southwestern deserts, arrived at the Snake River
where trout were plentiful. They had no hooks but one of
them........discovered a large pin......(which he) ....fashioned into a
hook, it caught enough large trout on live bait to feed the brigade."
a. Can anyone cite me a book or other reference which would identify
this party, the date, etc. Thanks in advance. Regards, Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <mailto:books@tvec.net>Ron and
>Gayle To: ammlist@lists.xmission.com Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001
>11:24 AM Subject: Re: AMM-List: Re: Land Rules
> George, There is nothing wrong with the interim rules. Our post
>was not meant as a critisism, but as a suggestion for permanent rules
>If the Vote was today and the proposal was to adopt the interim rules
>as permanent, I would Vote a resounding YES! As I said to Grizz in an
>earlier post, Simpler is better as I see it". Very little ambiguity.
>yhaos Ron Harris "litefoot Tejas 1539
>
> Subject: AMM-List: Re: Land Rules
>Thank you Ron, and the Brothers who have taken the time to propose
>some new
>land rules.
>I would humbly like to inquire what is wrong with the current interim
>rules
>as stated in the January 2001 Moccasin Mail? Excluding number 4,
>which deals
>with hunting and trapping on the property, I believe that they pretty
>much
>cover all the bases. That rule has been deleted to allow hunting on the
>property.
>Also, I concur with Walt Hayward in regards to the cabin.
>
>Your Brother,
>
>George Thompson,
>Capitaine, A.M.M.
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