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Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:07:05 -0700
From: Pat Quilter <pat_quilter@qscaudio.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re Hobble Stones
As far as I know, a "hobble", in the form of a stone or iron weight, was
something you tied to your horse's lead rope (or reins?) and dropped on the
ground. A trained horse would stay put, thinking he was tied securely to a
picket. Laurel and Hardy had an amusing gag where their Model T refused to
move until they picked up their hobble and set it in the car.
Pat Quilter.
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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:57:13 EDT
From: SWcushing@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones
In a message dated 7/18/01 5:08:29 PM, tjewell@home.com writes:
<< Hey Roadkill,
Could that have been cobble stones? If so, they were used to pave
streets. If not, I have no clue.
Tim
>>
Ain't that what they tie to a horse to slow em down a bit? ....<G>
Magpie
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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:43:04 +0800
From: buck_conner@email.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones
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From: MarkLoader@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Hobble stones
> Saw what they called hobble stones in a fire place at the Mormon hand cart
> museum near Independence Rock Wyo. how did they use them. They looked a lot
> like tomahawk stones.
> Roadkill
>
Mark,
The Amish use to use and may still use "hobble stones", they would have a heavy canvas bag with a loop to tie the reins to, inside they would place "hobble stones". Depending on the animal, horse or ox as to the number of stones required to keep them in one spot. I know they where still in use at least 25 years ago in PA and OH and had been around for 100's of years. Dennis Miles may be able to shed more light to the subject, as he deals with the clans back in that area.
Todays cowboys would laugh at such things, as you know with your wife's family, John would have shot the animal if it wouldn't stay "ground tied", right.
<BR>You have described what they look like and how the lady at the museum
<BR>explained there use. Attached to the hobble hitting against the horses legs
<BR>when moving too fast. Was hoping someone could verify her thoughts. This is
<BR>just one of the neat things I saw on the way to National. An other was a clay
<BR>pipe uncovered while I was present at an excavation of a trading post, just
<BR>west of Hells Gate, burnt by the Mormons during the time Bridger Post was
<BR>burnt does anyone have any information on it.
<BR>Better to count rib than horse tracks
<BR>Mark 'Roadkill" Loader</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:38:24 -0500
From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones
Roadkill,
Dug up stuff seems to show up when you're around. Why is that?
John...
At 11:21 PM 7/19/01 -0400, you wrote:
>John
>You have described what they look like and how the lady at the museum
>explained there use. Attached to the hobble hitting against the horses legs
>when moving too fast. Was hoping someone could verify her thoughts. This is
>just one of the neat things I saw on the way to National. An other was a clay
>pipe uncovered while I was present at an excavation of a trading post, just
>west of Hells Gate, burnt by the Mormons during the time Bridger Post was
>burnt does anyone have any information on it.
>Better to count rib than horse tracks
>Mark 'Roadkill" Loader
"Never ascribe to malice that which is
adequately explained by incompetence."
Napoleon Bonaparte.
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Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 19:46:25 +0800
From: buck_conner@email.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones
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From: "Dennis Miles" <deforge1@bright.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones
> Mark,
> As Buck said, Hobble Stones are still used here to some extent. Generally at the Farm Fleet or Wally World stores, where there is nowhere to tie off. Of course, nowadays, there is also generally a boy used to hard work with the rig to discourage the unseemly crowd. Those boys can be good discouragers.. Right Buck??
> D
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Most of those young boys/men are brother Miles size, they don't believe in fighting per say, but a brotherly hug will break a few of your ribs if need be. I think of those earlier years Dennis when in your country and my ribs still hurt from their friendlyness <G>. "say not".
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Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:50:04 -0400
From: slikrickabn@netscape.net (rick dixon)
Subject: MtMan-List: Winter Song
Guys
Did a Winter Song magazine ever come out this year? I had heard that a final one was going to be issued, but I haven't received anything yet- anyone heard any thing?
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Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 07:58:44 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <olebjensen@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones
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Mark,
The U.S. Army was sen't out to put down a Mormon uprising in the 1850's. The
uprising did not exist, but Brigam Young figured that the U.S. had declared
war on the Mormons. To keep the Army from doing it's work Brigham Young sent
a detatchment of Militia to scorch the earth in front of the Army to keep
supplies and animal feed from them. Fort Bridger had been sold to the
Mormons earlier so when they burned it down, they were burning there own
property. Hell's gate I do not know about but it was destroyed for the same
reason. There was also a large convoy of supplies following the army that
the mormon's destroyed by loosing the animals and burning the wagons. It is
interesting that Bill Cody was an employee of the convoy when it was
destroyed. By destroying the supply train the Army ground to a halt and dam
near starved to death during the winter.
YMOS
Ole # 718
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From: MarkLoader@aol.com
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones
Date: Thu, Jul 19, 2001, 8:21 PM
John
You have described what they look like and how the lady at the museum
explained there use. Attached to the hobble hitting against the horses legs
when moving too fast. Was hoping someone could verify her thoughts. This is
just one of the neat things I saw on the way to National. An other was a
clay
pipe uncovered while I was present at an excavation of a trading post, just
west of Hells Gate, burnt by the Mormons during the time Bridger Post was
burnt does anyone have any information on it.
Better to count rib than horse tracks
Mark 'Roadkill" Loader
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Mark,<BR>
The U.S. Army was sen't out to put down a Mormon uprising in the 1850's. Th=
e uprising did not exist, but Brigam Young figured that the U.S. had declare=
d war on the Mormons. To keep the Army from doing it's work Brigham Young se=
nt a detatchment of Militia to scorch the earth in front of the Army to keep=
supplies and animal feed from them. Fort Bridger had been sold to the Mormo=
ns earlier so when they burned it down, they were burning there own property=
. Hell's gate I do not know about but it was destroyed for the same reason. =
There was also a large convoy of supplies following the army that the mormon=
's destroyed by loosing the animals and burning the wagons. It is interestin=
g that Bill Cody was an employee of the convoy when it was destroyed. By des=
troying the supply train the Army ground to a halt and dam near starved to d=
eath during the winter.<BR>
YMOS<BR>
Ole # 718<BR>
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From: MarkLoader@aol.com<BR>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com<BR>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones<BR>
Date: Thu, Jul 19, 2001, 8:21 PM<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"2">John <BR>
You have described what they look like and how the lady at the museum <BR>
explained there use. Attached to the hobble hitting against the horses legs=
<BR>
when moving too fast. Was hoping someone could verify her thoughts. This is=
<BR>
just one of the neat things I saw on the way to National. An other was a cl=
ay <BR>
pipe uncovered while I was present at an excavation of a trading post, just=
<BR>
west of Hells Gate, burnt by the Mormons during the time Bridger Post was <=
BR>
burnt does anyone have any information on it. <BR>
Better to count rib than horse tracks <BR>
Mark 'Roadkill" Loader</FONT> <BR>
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Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 20:30:41 -0700
From: "rtlahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rifle Cleaning
Thanks Pendleton. What's per usual is that it worked for the old timers and
it works for the "new timers"! No sense in complicating a simple operation.
Modern life is complicated enough as it is without cluttering up our "hobby"
with modern ideas too.
Capt. Lahti'
(newly back from the Slopes of the Shinin' Mountains high up on the N. Fork
Flathead)
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From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net>
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Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rifle Cleaning
> 1. slush it out with water.
> 2. dry it out with extra patches/tow
> 3. coat it good with bear grease, olive oil (sweet oil), any vegetable
oil,
> bee's wax and some kinda oil mix, et.
> 4. check it after a while if your worried
>
> Capt. Lahti'
>
>
> >As per usual Capt. , you have hit the nail squarely on the head. That
> program, if followed to the "T", will work every time.
>
> Pendleton
>
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