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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #791 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, April 22 2001 Volume 01 : Number 791 In this issue: -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Going Indian versus Puritains -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: pyramid tents -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Tents -áááááá MtMan-List: Re: 49er Tent -áááááá RE: MtMan-List: good handy tarp size -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: good handy tarp size -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: good handy tarp size -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Tents -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: good handy tarp size -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent -áááááá MtMan-List: Pedersoli Brown Bess -áááááá MtMan-List: Laura Glise Update -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: VIRUS! -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Tents -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: good handy tarp size ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 14:54:20 -0700 From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Going Indian versus Puritains Wynn, You got me! Now I'm not sure where I got the idea that I had seen trappers depicted as wearing leggings. Did I read it? See it? Now I'm not sure. I'll look. Thanks for calling me on that. Capt. Lahti' - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gretchen Ormond" <leona3@sourceoneinternet.com> To: "Hist mail" <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 2:20 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Going Indian versus Puritains > First I would like to thank Clay for an excellent post. I have been > coming to a similar conclusion to his speculation about the back ground > of the RMFT. After reading Ferris and Russell, the ôIroquoisö and the > French Canadians seem to be found in large numbers. We also have more > journalists in the 1830's than before that time, which may indicate that > more Americans were coming in comparison to other ethnic groups. An > Iroquois would have Eastern tribes, Canadian, Western tribes and > American styles of clothing to chose from. Who knows which they chose. > In the early 1840's H.J. Warre painted an Iroquois boatman in the > Columbia region in a black trapper hat and the typical cloth shirt but > we can not see anything else. > > Which brings me to a question Capt Lahti wrote > > > There certainly is no doubt that European trappers, etc. wore mocs and > > > leggings. They are widely pictured in Miller's field sketches being > worn > (as > > to mocs) with pantaloons and etc. and the legging is a common enough > garment > > shown being worn over pantaloons and even more likely, knee britches. > > > > I have not seen anything in Millers works that led me to believe he was > portraying leggings worn by any trappers with or without britches etc. > To my knowledge neither did Rex Allen Norman. I know there are written > documentation for leggings but are there pictures that I do not know > about? > > Wynn Ormond > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 18:52:27 EDT From: LODGEPOLE@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pyramid tents In a message dated 4/21, deforge1@bright.net writes: << But Roger, It really all boils down to that, doesn't it?<G> D >> if so at what point do we decide we've gone too far? I got a nifty pop-up camper complete with A/C that I'm sure they woulda if............ Longshot ******************************************************** "Longshot's Rendezvous Homepage" (Newly Redesigned) http://members.aol.com/lodgepole/longshot.html ******************************************************** - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 17:07:40 -0600 From: "Gene Hickman" <ghickman9@home.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent Good Info John, I'm going to save this for my files. I have viewed the tentsmith site before, and you are right they have outstanding products. Where was Long's 1819 Expedition? There certainly is a long history for the wall tent. However, the initial question to me, that started this discussion, came from Capt Lahti. It was: Can you document it in the Rockies during the Fur Trade? I guess we lost track of the original question that was asked. I'm sure at least one wall tent was probably in the Rockies during the fur trade and it is more probable than the pyramid. I have never had a problem with wall tents and did not intend to start a war. I was only stating what Hanson and other researchers had said about wall tents in the Rockies during the fur trade. However, like the pyramid tent, which was described in the 1770's, we still have found no documentation for either the wall tent or the pyramid in the Rockies during that period. This then gets down to the assumption that if it was available in the east or somewhere else they probably had it and used it. The pyramid tent definitely does not have the long history of the wall tent. The pyramid doesn't seem to really have a life or come into its own until the 1840's. For me the initial question by the good Captain has started a search for all the tents that I can find for the Rockies in the Fur Trade, with an 1840 cutoff date. There are numerous references for tents in the historical record, but the tents are not described. I think that I'll now concentrate a little more on paintings of the period. I am not trying to say what should or should not be at a rendezvous. I am interested in this purely from a historical perspective and as another tool to research the history of the time. I'd appreciate any information that you or anyone else can come up with on tents. I will add it to my files and will let the lists know what I find. YMOS Ghosting Wolf - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Kramer" <kramer@kramerize.com> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 3:17 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent Again I quote from the Tentsmith site: http://www.tentsmiths.com/page9.htm begin quote............" WALL TENTS Wall tents have been in use for much longer than at first thought. Paintings from 1544 show open-faced wall tents standing with pavilions and wedges. A model of a tent dated to the mid-17th century, and profusely decorated with taped seams outside and fully embroidered inside, stands in a European museum. There are drawings of wall tents being used in military settings ca. 1740. A sketch brought back from England shows a wall tent with overhanging eaves dating from 1780. Long's expedition of 1819 was recorded in paintings which show the tent in use and numerous other paintings attest to its continued use during the 19th century. Truly a tent that has never gone out of style, the wall tent appears in all the woodsmanship books of the early part of this century and is still in use for guided hunting trips and Indian winter living in northern Canada. Wall tents have been popular because they are a very efficient use of material for the space provided, are easy to transport, quick to set up, and ensure a dry, trouble free, comfortable camp. "end quote........... Peter and Deborah don't skimp on their research or the quality of their finished goods. John... At 01:40 PM 4/21/01 -0600, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Kramer" <kramer@kramerize.com> >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > ><<A fur company might have had a wall tent or one of the many variations >thereof.>> > >I agree with all that you have said John, and it appears that we may not get >firm documentation past 1841 for the pyramid tent in the Rockies. However, >the documentation of the wall tent doesn't go far enough back either. The >earliest wall tent that can be documented is 1842. John T. Kramer, maker of: Kramer's Best Antique Improver >>>It makes wood wonderful<<< >>>As good as old!<<< <http://www.kramerize.com/> mail to: <kramer@kramerize.com> - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 16:17:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Sega <chrissega1@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tents All this discussion of tents is really missing the point. The reason people want to use a tent that is not a documentable item for the fur trade are doing so for one reason in my opinion. COMFORT. In order to really make an honest attempt at reliving the life of a trapper, even for the brief time, one has to get into their mindset. Trappers were used to cold, heat discomfort and danger every minute of their lives in the mountains, and their ability to endure hardship far outstripped our own. After 16 hours trapping in cold streams or riding across sunscorched prairie and desert, a tarp stretched between 2 trees or merely rolling up in a robe would seem like a palace. Hardship and lack of comfort make one appreciate even the smallest comfort much more. We use tents because they protect our privacy, provide some of the comfort we are used to in our daily lives, and are convenient to transport and set up. I'm not sayin everyone should be uncomfortable at a rendezvous, just that we should see the tent for what it is. A necessity for comfort, which I don't think was as important an item to a mountain man. I think that only traders from the states would use a tent, at the annual rendezvous. The rest would have used little else than a blanket or tarp to keep the sun off during the hottest portion of the day and maybe turn the odd rainstorm. Another form of shelter that we don't use today in large encampments is shelter made of local materials such as brush bowers, lean tos of branches and limbs etc. While it might take several hours to make a the aforementioned shelters, if one is going to spend a week or more at a spot the time is worth the effort. I know these are not practical at modern events, but their inclusion in the discussion is important. Just my two cents. Sega __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 17:20:42 -0600 From: "Gene Hickman" <ghickman9@home.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Re: 49er Tent Good Info John, I'm going to save this for my files. I have viewed the tentsmith site before, and you are right they have outstanding products. Where was Long's 1819 Expedition? There certainly is a long history for the wall tent. However, the initial question to me, that started this discussion, came from Capt Lahti. It was: Can you document it in the Rockies during the Fur Trade? I guess we lost track of the original question that was asked. I'm sure at least one wall tent was probably in the Rockies during the fur trade and it is more probable than the pyramid. I have never had a problem with wall tents and did not intend to start a war. I was only stating what Hanson and other researchers had said about wall tents in the Rockies during the fur trade. However, like the pyramid tent, which was described in the 1770's, we still have found no documentation for either the wall tent or the pyramid in the Rockies during that period. This then gets down to the assumption that if it was available in the east or somewhere else they probably had it and used it. The pyramid tent definitely does not have the long history of the wall tent. The pyramid doesn't seem to really have a life or come into its own until the 1840's. For me the initial question by the good Captain has started a search for all the tents that I can find for the Rockies in the Fur Trade, with an 1840 cutoff date. There are numerous references for tents in the historical record, but the tents are not described. I think that I'll now concentrate a little more on paintings of the period. I am not trying to say what should or should not be at a rendezvous. I am interested in this purely from a historical perspective and as another tool to research the history of the time. I'd appreciate any information that you or anyone else can come up with on tents. I will add it to my files and will let the lists know what I find. YMOS Ghosting Wolf - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Kramer" <kramer@kramerize.com> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 3:17 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent Again I quote from the Tentsmith site: http://www.tentsmiths.com/page9.htm begin quote............" WALL TENTS Wall tents have been in use for much longer than at first thought. Paintings from 1544 show open-faced wall tents standing with pavilions and wedges. A model of a tent dated to the mid-17th century, and profusely decorated with taped seams outside and fully embroidered inside, stands in a European museum. There are drawings of wall tents being used in military settings ca. 1740. A sketch brought back from England shows a wall tent with overhanging eaves dating from 1780. Long's expedition of 1819 was recorded in paintings which show the tent in use and numerous other paintings attest to its continued use during the 19th century. Truly a tent that has never gone out of style, the wall tent appears in all the woodsmanship books of the early part of this century and is still in use for guided hunting trips and Indian winter living in northern Canada. Wall tents have been popular because they are a very efficient use of material for the space provided, are easy to transport, quick to set up, and ensure a dry, trouble free, comfortable camp. "end quote........... Peter and Deborah don't skimp on their research or the quality of their finished goods. John... At 01:40 PM 4/21/01 -0600, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Kramer" > ><<A fur company might have had a wall tent or one of the many variations >thereof.>> <<I agree with all that you have said John, and it appears that we may not get firm documentation past 1841 for the pyramid tent in the Rockies. However, the documentation of the wall tent doesn't go far enough back either. The earliest wall tent that can be documented is 1842.>> John T. Kramer, maker of: Kramer's Best Antique Improver >>>It makes wood wonderful<<< >>>As good as old!<<< - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 16:58:4 -0700 From: "Randal Bublitz" <rjbublitz@earthlink.net> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: good handy tarp size - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Tom, How tall are you?....... I'm over 6', so I find an 8' X 8' (which is actually smaller, if commercially made) a bit small for me. If I roll up in an 8 x 8, I tend to have blanket, etc... hanging out. If I move a bit at night, again..I find myself exposed. Therefore, I prefer a 10' x 10' ( which is really closer to 9 x 9). For this same reason I like a 5-6 pt blanket, rather than a 4 pt blanket. After freezing my toes in the Sierras with a 4 pt. , I ordered a 6 pt as soon as I got home. If weight is a problem, I have learned a few tricks. Hot rocks, warmed near the fire can take the edge off of a cold night. Also , I made myself a pair of center seam mocs out of sheep skin with the hair inside. Wearing these at night will protect you from exposed toes when you pull the blanket over your head at night. Also, these mocs are nice for the nocturnal bladder emptying. They are nice to wear inside a greased pair of 'over mocs' in cold, wet weather. Now, my question... does anyone have experience with 'paired blankets' ( two 3-4 pt blankets still attached at the ends)? Sounds like a cure for cold toes to me? My 2-4 cents worth, depending on current exchange rates. hardtack I was wondering what a good handy tarp size would be. that could serve as a diamond fly or for whatever else situation dictates 8x10, 9x12, etc. thanks Tom - --- Randal Bublitz - --- rjbublitz@earthlink.net - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=windows-1251"> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV>Tom, How tall are you?....... I'm over 6', so I find an 8' X 8' (which is actually smaller, if commercially made) a bit small for me. If I roll up in an 8 x 8, I tend to have blanket, etc... hanging out. If I move a bit at night, again..I find myself exposed. Therefore, I prefer a 10' x 10' ( which is really closer to 9 x 9). For this same reason I like a 5-6 pt blanket, rather than a 4 pt blanket. After freezing my toes in the Sierras with a 4 pt. , I ordered a 6 pt as soon as I got home. If weight is a problem, I have learned a few tricks. Hot rocks, warmed near the fire can take the edge off of a cold night. Also , I made myself a pair of center seam mocs out of sheep skin with the hair inside. Wearing these at night will protect you from exposed toes when you pull the blanket over your head at night. Also, these mocs are nice for the nocturnal bladder empty! ing. They are nice to wear inside a greased pair of 'over mocs' in cold, wet weather. Now, my question... does anyone have experience with 'paired blankets' ( two 3-4 pt blankets still attached at the ends)? Sounds like a cure for cold toes to me? My 2-4 cents worth, depending on current exchange rates. hardtack</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid"> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=2> <P> <DIV>I was wondering what a good</DIV> <DIV>handy tarp size would be. that could serve as a diamond fly or for</DIV> <DIV>whatever else situation dictates 8x10, 9x12, etc.</DIV> <DIV>thanks Tom</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P></P></FONT> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>--- Randal Bublitz</DIV> <DIV>--- <A href="mailto:rjbublitz@earthlink.net">rjbublitz@earthlink.net</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 20:31:33 -0400 From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@citynet.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: good handy tarp size This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C0CAA2.0E2FCBE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Like Hardtack, I am 6'4", and found that an 8x8 just was not big enough. = I use a 10x10 fly and set it up in a "plow" style. Works great for me. = I know it can be used like a "tent" or as a lean-to style, but have not = tried those ways yet. Ad Miller - ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C0CAA2.0E2FCBE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#fff8e0> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Like Hardtack, I am 6'4", and found = that an 8x8=20 just was not big enough. I use a 10x10 fly and set it up in a = "plow"=20 style. Works great for me. I know it can be used like a "tent" or as=20 a lean-to style, but have not tried those ways = yet.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ad Miller</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C0CAA2.0E2FCBE0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 18:43:56 -0700 From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: good handy tarp size This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_017E_01C0CA93.0563BE40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now, my question... does anyone have experience with 'paired blankets' = ( two 3-4 pt blankets still attached at the ends)? Sounds like a cure = for cold toes to me? My 2-4 cents worth, depending on current exchange = rates. hardtack Hardtack, I am almost 6' and get by with the nine by nine but I see your point = about personal size. I do get by with a couple 4 points and don't kick = out of them at night cause I pin the end shut. It takes about a hands = width of blanket to give enough room for a secure pinning but fold over = that much, pin with whatever and your feet won't be cold. You can pin up = the side about a foot or two and that helps keep your feet inside.=20 I haven't gotten ahold of any "paired" blankets and not sure I want = to. The two blankets separate but "married" can be taken one at a time = if weater permits. May be just me but in cold weather I can sleep warm = if I go to ground with all my warm cloths on and wear mocs similar to = what your doing. Since I have a really old bladder it is nice not to = have to wrestle with mocs in the middle of the night. I also find a = light canvas oil cloth to wrap around the blankets increases their = warmth by keeping the wind and air off the blanket outer surface. Capt. Lahti' I was wondering what a good handy tarp size would be. that could serve as a diamond fly or for whatever else situation dictates 8x10, 9x12, etc. thanks Tom --- Randal Bublitz --- rjbublitz@earthlink.net - ------=_NextPart_000_017E_01C0CA93.0563BE40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dwindows-1252"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Now, my question... does anyone have = experience=20 with 'paired blankets' ( two 3-4 pt blankets still attached at the=20 ends)? Sounds like a cure for cold toes to me? My 2-4 = cents=20 worth, depending on current exchange rates. hardtack</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Hardtack,</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">I am almost 6' and get by with the = nine by nine=20 but I see your point about personal size. I do get by with a couple 4 = points=20 and don't kick out of them at night cause I pin the end shut. It takes = about a=20 hands width of blanket to give enough room for a secure pinning but = fold over=20 that much, pin with whatever and your feet won't be cold. You can pin = up the=20 side about a foot or two and that helps keep your feet inside. </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">I haven't gotten ahold of any "paired" = blankets=20 and not sure I want to. The two blankets separate but "married" can be = taken=20 one at a time if weater permits. May be just me but in cold weather I = can=20 sleep warm if I go to ground with all my warm cloths on and wear mocs = similar=20 to what your doing. Since I have a really old bladder it is nice not = to have=20 to wrestle with mocs in the middle of the night. I also find a light = canvas=20 oil cloth to wrap around the blankets increases their warmth by = keeping the=20 wind and air off the blanket outer surface.</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Capt. Lahti'</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid"> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=3D2> <P> <DIV>I was wondering what a good</DIV> <DIV>handy tarp size would be. that could serve as a = diamond fly=20 or for</DIV> <DIV>whatever else situation dictates 8x10, 9x12, etc.</DIV> <DIV>thanks Tom</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P></P></FONT> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>--- Randal Bublitz</DIV> <DIV>--- <A=20 = href=3D"mailto:rjbublitz@earthlink.net">rjbublitz@earthlink.net</A></DIV>= <DIV> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_017E_01C0CA93.0563BE40-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 20:48:49 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" <olebjensen@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent Linda, I was talking about the AMM Western Teritorial next month. (working camp) YMOS Ole # 718 - ---------- >From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net> >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent >Date: Sat, Apr 21, 2001, 7:56 AM > >When is The Western and which one. I have been stranded here in Fla. for a while >and have not kept up with the where abouts on encampments. The Doctors and my >job my let me loose for a few weeks to get of of town and would like to go back >to a Western. > >Linda Holley > >"Ole B. Jensen" wrote: > >> Larry, >> If you can get away with it, go for it. Show and Tell Rendezvous are what >> they are. Will I be looking at youre smiling face at the Western? This is >> one camp I wouldn't miss, the chance will only happen once. >> YMOS > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 20:58:30 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" <olebjensen@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tents Chris, Having spent time in the Alaskan Bush, there are lots of things that you can live without. However staying dry and warm ain't one of them. Cabins and stockades were built tent's and tarps were used, sick and week trapers don't pay back there loans and they don't bring in hides. Traping was a buisiness and they would get as much comfort as they could while doing it. No disrispect intended!. YMOS Ole # 718 - ---------- >From: Chris Sega <chrissega1@yahoo.com> >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tents >Date: Sat, Apr 21, 2001, 4:17 PM > >All this discussion of tents is really missing the >point. The reason people want to use a tent that is >not a documentable item for the fur trade are doing so >for one reason in my opinion. COMFORT. In order to >really make an honest attempt at reliving the life of >a trapper, even for the brief time, one has to get >into their mindset. Trappers were used to cold, heat >discomfort and danger every minute of their lives in >the mountains, and their ability to endure hardship >far outstripped our own. After 16 hours trapping in >cold streams or riding across sunscorched prairie and >desert, a tarp stretched between 2 trees or merely >rolling up in a robe would seem like a palace. >Hardship and lack of comfort make one appreciate even >the smallest comfort much more. We use tents because >they protect our privacy, provide some of the comfort >we are used to in our daily lives, and are convenient >to transport and set up. I'm not sayin everyone >should be uncomfortable at a rendezvous, just that we >should see the tent for what it is. A necessity for >comfort, which I don't think was as important an item >to a mountain man. I think that only traders from the >states would use a tent, at the annual rendezvous. The >rest would have used little else than a blanket or >tarp to keep the sun off during the hottest portion of >the day and maybe turn the odd rainstorm. Another >form of shelter that we don't use today in large >encampments is shelter made of local materials such as >brush bowers, lean tos of branches and limbs etc. >While it might take several hours to make a the >aforementioned shelters, if one is going to spend a >week or more at a spot the time is worth the effort. I >know these are not practical at modern events, but >their inclusion in the discussion is important. Just >my two cents. > >Sega > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 23:31:55 -0400 From: tom roberts <troberts@gdi.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: good handy tarp size "Now, my question... does anyone have experience with 'paired blankets' ( two 3-4 pt blankets still attached at the ends)?" Hardtack,, I use a paired blanket in my bedroll. It's folded end to end and then inserted into a 6ft wide by 7ft long canvas "sleeve" that I sewed. That's folded in half lengthwise (with me in the middle) and has a few ties. If it's warm I can rig it to have all four layers of blanket under and only canvas over. The blanket is old and thin enough to really only equal two layers instead of four. Tom - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 23:30:33 -0400 From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent Darn, definitely cannot make that. Want to renew and make new (see the faces) with the gentlemen on this site....and ladies. Love to put faces with names.... Not sure about the NMLRA western and thought about the other National??? Linda Holley http://www.tipis-tepees-teepees.com "Ole B. Jensen" wrote: > Linda, > I was talking about the AMM Western Teritorial next month. (working camp) > YMOS > Ole # 718 > ---------- > >From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net> > >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent > >Date: Sat, Apr 21, 2001, 7:56 AM > > > > >When is The Western and which one. I have been stranded here in Fla. for a while > >and have not kept up with the where abouts on encampments. The Doctors and my > >job my let me loose for a few weeks to get of of town and would like to go back > >to a Western. > > > >Linda Holley > > > >"Ole B. Jensen" wrote: > > > >> Larry, > >> If you can get away with it, go for it. Show and Tell Rendezvous are what > >> they are. Will I be looking at youre smiling face at the Western? This is > >> one camp I wouldn't miss, the chance will only happen once. > >> YMOS > > > > > >---------------------- > >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 23:46:17 -0400 From: "Possum Hunter" <icurapossum_hunter2@yahoo.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Pedersoli Brown Bess Anybody have any experience with the Pedersoli Brown Bess sold by Dixie Gun Works? Are they reliable? How do they hold up under use? Do they fire well? I am torn between a Brown Bess and a 24 Gauge Trade Gun. Possum - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 23:15:25 -0500 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <amm1585@hyperusa.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Laura Glise Update Heard from Laura Glise tonight. She sounds much improved, more upbeat than ever, and sounds more like her old self than at any time since she found out she had the tumor. She has her sense of humor back, which is very good medicine. She begins her follow up treatment very soon......becomes her own science fair project, as she says. A radioactive substance will be inserted (temporarily) into her head (where the tumor was) to apply radiation up close and personal. She figures she will be able to make Jiffy-Pop popcorn by holding the little pan near her head. It is actually pretty heavy duty treatment, very aggressive, designed to get the upper hand on any further problems, and she will be in isolation for three days with nobody allowed in the room longer than a couple of minutes. In spite of all this she says she is not as afraid as she was and is not dreading the treatment. Some of the treatment is available only at Duke U. Hospital.....cutting edge stuff...and she is confident that she is getting the best treatment in the world. On an uplifting note, the staff at the school in Washington where she teaches have donated all their sick days to her so she won't miss any paychecks. Pretty high class outfit, if you ask me. I will post more as I learn more Lanney - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 00:13:23 -0400 From: "Fred A. Miller" <fmiller@lightlink.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: VIRUS! Possum Hunter wrote: > If you got a virus from me today here is how to get rid of it with Windows > ME: Delete all mail that has the attachment from Outlook, then run your > system restore to back your computer up to an earlier date. The instructions > to kill it in other Windows machines can be found at > http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/cgi-bin/virauto.cgi?vid=28772 > > I sure would like to give the people who write computer viruses a dose of > lead poisoning with my .50 Caliber Hawken! Put the blame where it belongs....MickySoft! It's their bad software designs and code that have created the problem. Fred - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 04:42:37 -0400 From: "TrapRJohn" <traprjon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tents Hallo the List, I have read with interest the discussion on tentage, and found it to be educational as I am relatively new to the RMFT community. If I may offer my humble opinion, one of the first things I purchased was a used wall tent. I was told that it was acceptable at events. The first and most important reason I got the wall tent was for my wife. I consider myself lucky that she wants to attend events with me (warm weather ones anyway) and dress the part and participate, but to get her there, she needs some PRIVACY. There is no way I would get her there without it. As for myself, if attending an event alone, I am happy to make do with much less than I "need" with the wife along. My 9'x10' (wall tent floor) canvas suites me just fine as a diamond shelter, or lean to. I am striving to learn and be as period correct as possible. I have a ways to go yet, but have come a ways also. So for me, the wall tent = Privacy for the wife. If she's not there, neither is the wall tent. Thanks for hearing me out. YMHS John Enos traprjon@mediaone.net "The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance!" -- General John Stark -- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Sega" <chrissega1@yahoo.com> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 7:17 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tents > All this discussion of tents is really missing the > point. The reason people want to use a tent that is > not a documentable item for the fur trade are doing so > for one reason in my opinion. COMFORT. In order to > really make an honest attempt at reliving the life of > a trapper, ..... - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 02:43:51 -0700 From: "ALAN AVERY" <aavery@telus.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: good handy tarp size Mine is a piece of oilcloth that is 9' x 9'. Although there is no "standard" size, I have found this to be adequate for me, (and I am far from little!) Black Knife Alan Avery - -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Ballstaedt <tphsb@earthlink.net> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Date: April 21, 2001 1:38 PM Subject: MtMan-List: good handy tarp size >Hey Gentlemen; >I am gearing up for a two day horse trek, and I was wondering what a good >handy tarp size would be. that could serve as a diamond fly or for >whatever else situation dictates 8x10, 9x12, etc. >thanks Tom > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #791 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.